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Topic: Putin: Soviet collapse greatest centurys catastrophe!! Posted: 02-May-2005 at 15:56 |
What do you think about his statements? Do you agree that "the demise of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century"? If you disagree, which one you think was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe???
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Posted: 02-May-2005 at 19:28 |
I agree. It marked the fall of the last true empire on earth.
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Posted: 02-May-2005 at 19:30 |
it gave many people and nations too immature to handle themselves autonomy.
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Posted: 03-May-2005 at 07:38 |
Some parts of the former soviet block have definately suffered. There was no unemployment, homelessness and poverty, now there's a hell of a lot.
But I think it's the rest of the world that's really suffered.
The west has grown too powerful, and power corrupts. Already western societies are become less free, democratic and more autocratic.
The muslim world, the new target, isn't a viable opposition so the various countries have gone from being courted allies to whores or whipping boys.
The US so lacks any kind of opposing ideologies it's beggining intellectually to resemble China during the Cultural Revolution.
And Europe is doing it's best to reinact the last days of Pompei.
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Posted: 03-May-2005 at 07:48 |
### the demise of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the century ###
Geopolitically speaking he is absolutely right....
The fall of Soviet Union disrupted the equilibrium that existed and left one super power to act at hero OWN will lookin first her OWN interests disregarding if thse interests may NOT be for the common good , of the other democratic states...Example : Look at the oil prices , now that she controls the greatest reserves ever been....And the price is payed by EU , who has not enough oil for herself and her needs and has to import..
It is a political complexity that exists today , but in the background it is only the interest of USA.
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Posted: 03-May-2005 at 19:10 |
It probably was the greatest geopolitical catastrophy. It most certainly gave the USA dictatorship over most of the planet and its resources. But even if i dislike, or maybe despise ( i don't know yet) American superiority, i couldn't be more happier over the collapse of the USSR. I am free now and i can bitch about Estonian politicians and their messes, but not over some nobleman from Moscow. No big tears from me when a terrorist country falls into ruin, especcially the one one that usurped mine and tried to bring its ideals on me.
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Posted: 03-May-2005 at 19:19 |
I think it is a warning that Putin said that. Just think what could and would happen should they become communist again. It would horrible. And although it is awful how much the country has deteriorated and sufferd, I am happy the Soviet fell. ANd I couldn't be happier with American supiriorit!
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Posted: 04-May-2005 at 02:26 |
American superiority...bah. I'd rather have the Americans running the show than the Soviets, but I'm happy that neither is doing that at the moment. Putin freaks me out though.
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Posted: 04-May-2005 at 06:43 |
Even if we do not like it there should be balance.If that balance stops,then things are going to become more harsh than it used to be when there were 2 super powers.
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Posted: 04-May-2005 at 08:13 |
The collapse of the Soviet Union was definately good news for
terrorists, narcodicators and other rogues. Now they'll get their
AK47's and warheads much easier than before.
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Posted: 04-May-2005 at 12:56 |
Well, USSR was a trully an evil empire and all free people of the world should be glad that it doesnt exist anymore. Calling a catastrophe the fall of one of the most bloody regimes in the worlds history i treat as revisionism. And in fact rewriting history is what Putin is trying to do now. More will come in the 9th may when the chekist will be celebratating the victory of his evil empire over other evil empire.
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Posted: 04-May-2005 at 16:21 |
I wonder what geopolitical disaster Putin is talking about? The end of proxy wars, soviet interventions and soviet-funded insurrections and coups (*) throughout the 3rd world? The introduction of civil rights and democracy into the former soviet domain? The fact that the ex-soviet bloc countries have re-gained their independence? Or maybe the diminishing nuclear threat (probably still much lower than during the 80s)?
I think it's time for russia to stop mourning its colonial empire. Just like British and French have done long before.
(*)sure, we still have american interventions and maybe some american funded coups, but IMO they have rather decreased since containemnt of soviet influence is no concern anymore.
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Posted: 04-May-2005 at 16:23 |
Originally posted by Mixcoatl
The collapse of the Soviet Union was definately good news for terrorists, narcodicators and other rogues. Now they'll get their AK47's and warheads much easier than before. |
Now they have to pay. Before they just needed to call themselves 'revolutionary'.
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Posted: 04-May-2005 at 16:51 |
Originally posted by ArmenianSurvival
I agree. It marked the fall of the last true empire on earth. |
cough cough* what do you call dictatori- *nudge* oops, I mean "socialist" china?
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Posted: 04-May-2005 at 17:43 |
Originally posted by Mixcoatl
The collapse of the Soviet Union was definately good news for terrorists, narcodicators and other rogues. Now they'll get their AK47's and warheads much easier than before. |
One recent survey showed that terrorism has decreased since the end of the cold war. what has changed is who is doing it. during the cold war it was security agencies and groups backed by governments on the opposing sides oposing sides of the war that were responsible. Now it's done by independant groups without backing and finaces and a lot less effectively.
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Posted: 05-May-2005 at 06:45 |
Originally posted by Paul
Originally posted by Mixcoatl
The collapse of the Soviet Union was
definately good news for terrorists, narcodicators and other rogues.
Now they'll get their AK47's and warheads much easier than before.
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One recent survey showed that terrorism has decreased since the end
of the cold war. what has changed is who is doing it. during the cold
war it was security agencies and groups backed by governments on the
opposing sides oposing sides of the war that were responsible. Now it's
done by independant groups without backing and finaces and a lot
less effectively. |
That's probably true.
But people tend tho find terrorism by non-government groups more scary
then terrorism by government groups (which they call 'war', or
more euphemistically 'armed conflict'). So the current terrorism,
though less effectively, has more impact on world politics.
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Posted: 05-May-2005 at 18:13 |
Originally posted by Mixcoatl
But people tend tho find terrorism by non-government groups more scary then terrorism by government groups (which they call 'war', or more euphemistically 'armed conflict'). So the current terrorism, though less effectively, has more impact on world politics.
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Or is it that terrorism by independant groups is allowed much more media coverage. Terrorism by your government is generally censored by your government.
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Posted: 06-May-2005 at 13:41 |
Or is it that terrorism by independant groups is allowed much more
media coverage. Terrorism by your government is generally censored by
your government. |
DEFINATELY true
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Posted: 02-Aug-2005 at 18:52 |
The greatest tragedy was the November Revolution of 1917 and the
communist take over. The system that they setup was bound to
collapse sooner of later . Once set on the communist way it
was going to be painful to go back on the path that
the Russian Empire was set(compulsary education ,
industrialization, land redistribution,etc...) In the long run the
Russian Empire was going to do this much more efficiently.
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Posted: 03-Aug-2005 at 04:06 |
November Revolution of 1917 is the honour of humanity. Collapse of the USSR left the world defenseless against the neoliberal policies and exploitation. Unemployment, poverty are now the reality of ex-soviet people (except Russian mafia and petrol billionaires.) Also in the western world, all social rights given by the welfare state started to be taken away. The USA began acting as a shameless aggressive imperialist power.
What USSR brought to the world was the strength of leftist groups all over the world. All the social rights, social insurances were taken by this strength.
The USSR caused some unfortunate deaths at Stalin's time, but it also defeated the nazis with a lot of sacrifices. The last times of USSR wasn't bloody except the war of Afghanistan, which was the hot face of the cold war (it was implicitly between the USSR and the USA, i. e. bin Ladin)
What democracy are you talking about?!? The representative democracy is in crisis today, because although you elect your governments, all important decisions are taken by the global multi-national companies and financial capitalists. Or are you talking about the "democracy" in Iraq, which caused more than 100.000 deaths since March 2003!
After the Cold War, the USA invented another "evil" other: the terrorists. It attacks anywhere it wants and your civilised and lawful EU couldn't say even anything about the obvious violation of the international law (by the way, I don't believe that there is anything like this).
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