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Topic: Africa: the White man's burden???? Posted: 23-Jul-2007 at 11:44 |
Well, I suppose that in the 1960s, with many new states being set up and the grip of colonialism finally falling away, the nations just wanted to modernise, despite what would have happened afterwards. The other problem is the governmental structure - when the colonials left, the old states of Africa (which were now being run in a pseudo-colonial fashion) which the Africans were familiar with, were doing fairly well. But when nationalism set in, however, and people began to set up their own states, they did so without any european assistance and thus the entire framework for the states was flawed. Also, tribal warfare and competition crept into these new states, with nepotism and corruption in the government being rifle.
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Posted: 21-Aug-2007 at 21:15 |
just ignorance and nothing else truth is africa had many civilizations and created kigdoms waaay before "the white man" came. the reason why africa has so much problems today is because of colonialism.
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Posted: 21-Aug-2007 at 22:54 |
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just ignorance and nothing else truth is africa had many civilizations and created kigdoms waaay before "the white man" came. the reason why africa has so much problems today is because of colonialism. |
I have always though that the problems of Subsaharian Africa started before colonialism. Actually, it was with slave trade. The fact is that North Africa start slave trade on SS Africans long before the Europeans landed in there.
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Posted: 21-Aug-2007 at 23:44 |
Africa has a very rich history which has been downgraded and pushed to the side. But Africa it looks will regain its position. The Chinese African connection is helping China giving them resources for their new booming economy. And Africa is being helped with their modernization and other things.
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Posted: 21-Aug-2007 at 23:49 |
And there is no difference between sub-Saharan Africa and northern Africa as far as being a continent. That's just a label that was put on Africa. It just means south of the Sahara desert. But Africa is Africa.
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Posted: 22-Aug-2007 at 00:09 |
Have you ever heard of the equator Surmount? To me it means the temperature changes when you pass through it. What does it mean to you? And also do you think Europe is Europe and those pale-skinners are all the same? Come on tell us your real agenda!
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Posted: 22-Aug-2007 at 21:25 |
Originally posted by Surmount
And there is no difference between sub-Saharan Africa and northern Africa as far as being a continent. That's just a label that was put on Africa. It just means south of the Sahara desert. But Africa is Africa. |
Africa is not homogenious, fellow. Is like to say Spaniards are Mongols because they live in the same land mass than Chineses
Africa North of the Sahara has a different history when compared with East Africa and West-Central-South Africa.
The difference? The degree of isolation.
A region like the Maghreb has a lot more in common with Europe rather than with SS Africa. Even the people looks similar. Besides, during most of the history the people of the Mediterranean has gone back and forth by sea with a lot easy than crossing the Sahara.
Don't twist reality with ideologies, please.
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Posted: 22-Aug-2007 at 22:01 |
Sub-Saharan Africa is the term used to describe the area of the African continent which lies south of the Sahara desert. Geographically, the demarcation line is the southern edge of the Sahara Desert. All it means is south of the sahara
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Posted: 22-Aug-2007 at 23:29 |
Originally posted by Surmount
All it means is south of the sahara |
But there is more meaning to it than that. The Sahara acted as a
natural barrier to trade and population movement between North Africa
and the rest. North Africa was largely isolated from the rest, with the
exception of the Nile and some trans-Saharan traders. North Africa was
therefore influenced by one of the greatest conduits for cultural and
population transportation the world has ever known: the Mediterranean
Sea. It was this channel of water which linked North Africa to the
civilisations of the Middle East and Europe, which have provided by far
the greatest influence on the development of civilisation in North
Africa.
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Posted: 22-Aug-2007 at 23:39 |
Co-sign
Now, compare this map
With the map of the Afroasiatic languages:
And you get a pretty clear idea that Africa is not a single entity.
That's a matter that is was always known since the beginning of history.
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Edited by pinguin - 22-Aug-2007 at 23:41
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Posted: 22-Aug-2007 at 23:44 |
No The only difference is north Africa was Arabized Arabization is the gradual transformation of an area into one that speaks Arabic and is part of the Arab culture. It can also mean the replacement or displacement of a native population
with Arabs, although this rarely happened in ancient times, as there
weren't nearly sufficient numbers of original Arabs to replace or
displace existing populations. The rest of Africa is of the same black negroid race
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Posted: 22-Aug-2007 at 23:46 |
Nice post pinquin! But there are more languages than that?
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Posted: 22-Aug-2007 at 23:51 |
The only difference is the very top countries of north Africa was Arabized Arabization is the gradual transformation of an area into one that speaks Arabic and is part of the Arab culture. It can also mean the replacement or displacement of a native population
with Arabs, although this rarely happened in ancient times, as there
weren't nearly sufficient numbers of original Arabs to replace or
displace existing populations. The rest of Africa is of the same black negroid race
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Posted: 22-Aug-2007 at 23:55 |
Originally posted by elenos
Nice post pinquin! But there are more languages than that? |
Yes. I know that the figure is even more complex than that.
By the way, I am interested in the archaeology of Nigeria and the bronzes of Ife. However, with so many wild afrocentric claims going on, people won't even understand why is important to divide Africa in its region and keep things real. Otherwise, it is impossible to see its achievements.
It is a pitty that most people that study SS African archaelogy are either British or Germans....
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Posted: 22-Aug-2007 at 23:56 |
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The rest of Africa is of the same black negroid race |
I think everyone is more than aware that this is your stance on most issues involving Africa. I suggest that you and pinguin accept that you have differing opinions and one will not convince the other of anything. The major point that everyone has gotten out of this is that there are radically different theories about the ethnicity/race of Africans no matter what the reality might be.
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Posted: 22-Aug-2007 at 23:58 |
I agree with you Byzantine
everyone is entitled to their opinion
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Posted: 23-Aug-2007 at 00:03 |
And for once I agree with pinguin (who treats me as his enemy) on what he said about who studies African archeology.
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Posted: 23-Aug-2007 at 00:13 |
I don't treat you as an enemy Surmount.
I only exposse facts.
And I will always deffend the heritage of Amerindians against you, Afrocentrists, the Mormon Church (Lamanites; Jesus in the Americas), the New Agers (Extraterrestials in Tikal), India-centrists (Maize in ancient India), Sino-centrists (Chinese Olmecs), Japanese-Centrists (transoceanic travel), Irish-centrists (middle ages' monks reaching America), Hyperdifussionists (Thor Heyyerdhal et al.) and hundred of other fellows that are trying to robb the heritage of Amerindians.
I am fascinated with the heritage of the Ancient Americas, and I wish people discover it someday... I hate those fantasies that prevent people for knowing more about the real Amerindians.
Nothing personal.
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Posted: 23-Aug-2007 at 00:20 |
Ok i see what your trying to defend.
But why do you label all those groups you listed, why do you refer to them in the way you do?
Those groups you listed have no malicious intention.
Don't feel like they are attacking you.
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Posted: 23-Aug-2007 at 00:34 |
Originally posted by Surmount
Ok i see what your trying to defend.
But why do you label all those groups you listed, why do you refer to them in the way you do?
Those groups you listed have no malicious intention.
Don't feel like they are attacking you.
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They are producing a damage indeed, either if it is malitious or not. It doesn't matter.
They are preventing people from seeing the genious of the Native Americans.
Still today some people believe Amerindians are inferior people that need master to teach them. That's is a form of racism addressed against them.
I have studied Amerindian cultures all my life, and I have access to material most people in the planet doesn't know (material in Spanish, local museum and knowledge, etc.), so although I am not a specialist, I know a little bit about the topic...
And I tell you. Ancient Amerindians were very intelligent people. After all they were human beings like anyone else.
If you ever want to know more about them, just let me know.
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