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Frederick Roger
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Topic: Character discussion Posted: 18-Jan-2005 at 06:01 |
Here's the character:
Now, discuss...
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Mosquito
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Posted: 18-Jan-2005 at 11:47 |
is that Richelieu?
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Frederick Roger
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Posted: 18-Jan-2005 at 11:49 |
Yes.
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Inquisitor Dei
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Posted: 18-Jan-2005 at 12:23 |
Great statesman, indeed.
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cavalry4ever
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Posted: 18-Jan-2005 at 14:54 |
Originally posted by Inquisitor Dei
Great statesmen, indeed. |
Ruthless, unprincipled politician. He will set the stage for rolling
back religious tolerance and establishment of the absolute monarchy of
Louis XIV. His successor will be the Cardinal Mazarin. This is the
start of Counter Reform movement in the Europe.
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Genghis
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Posted: 18-Jan-2005 at 22:44 |
Originally posted by cavalry4ever
Ruthless, unprincipled politician. |
Glorious, shrewd statesman who made France the great power she was for 400 years.
Vive France! Vive Richelieu!
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Inquisitor Dei
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Posted: 19-Jan-2005 at 07:41 |
No doubt he was ruthless, but still he was a great statesman.
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Genghis
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Posted: 20-Jan-2005 at 20:28 |
I would say it was because he was ruthless that he was a great statesman.
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Gubook Janggoon
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Posted: 20-Jan-2005 at 20:38 |
Originally posted by Genghis
I would say it was because he was ruthless that he was a great statesman. |
Much like Bismark
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Posted: 24-Jan-2005 at 21:35 |
what is that painting of?
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Frederick Roger
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Posted: 25-Jan-2005 at 04:41 |
I believe it to be a sea battle during the Siege of La Rochelle (1627-1628).
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Posted: 25-Jan-2005 at 13:03 |
he was just like Bismarck...
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Posted: 25-Jan-2005 at 13:46 |
He looks like real prince of the church and god of war in one. I guess it was his intention to look this way on the pictures.
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Posted: 25-Jan-2005 at 19:19 |
he is one of those people (I have many of these) who I would have hated to liv eunder but can admire from a distance.
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Posted: 26-Jan-2005 at 06:16 |
he is one of those people (I have many of these) who I would have hated to liv eunder but can admire from a distance. |
That is so true. Another one of mine is Peter the Great. He pushed Russia forward, but I still wouldn't want to live there.
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Posted: 19-Apr-2005 at 10:28 |
Well that is true Conquistador...
Richelieu, well the best minister, statesman, cardinal and character France met in many years before and after.. his politics could be discussed but this is him.
The picture should be stated as Cardinal Richelieu at The Siege of La Rochelle in 1629 and I have seen it in wikipedia...
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Posted: 19-Apr-2005 at 11:56 |
Maybe we should distinguish between two kind of "great statesmen." There are the ones who are "great" because they are excellent, effective leaders for their countries, regardless of the ethics of their decisions.
Then we have the ones that are "great" because of how good the quality of life and liberty was under their power.
From what I hear, Richelieu was a "great statesman" under the first category.
This is an amazing painting of Richelieu.
Here we have Richelieu standing out from the regular soldiers and religious men. He is a hands-on leader that gets as close as possible to the action. Even though we may think that he is safe behind the battlefront and the battle works, he is still in danger: the spear closest to his body has been damaged by a cannon ball.
He looks deep in thought, as if he is absorbing and analyzing the battle. In contrast, the soldier to the left seems to be explaining the battle to the monks.
I like the detail of the monk holding his cardinal hat, hinting that the Church is Richelieus servant. For him, it was.
Do you know when the painting was done and who was the painter? It will explain a lot. Thanks for sharing this picture Frederick Roger.
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Posted: 19-Apr-2005 at 13:34 |
Richelieu at the siege of La Rochelle. By Henri Motte (1881).
This was the text under the picture in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:RichelieuRochelle.jpg
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Frederick Roger
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Posted: 20-Apr-2005 at 18:28 |
One must always recall that Richelieu was supposed to become a soldier, having gone through training at the Academy, but the sudden death of his father, forced him to move to the clergy for economic reasons.
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Posted: 21-Apr-2005 at 20:08 |
Richelieu at the break water of La Rochelle.
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