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Topic: Scythians Posted: 13-Mar-2006 at 18:39 |
Originally posted by Shaman
Originally posted by Zagros
Persians came from Central Asia to Iran, along with Medes and Parthians, Persians were nomads in the exact same style as Scythians.
Learn some history.
RohshAlani (Roxalani) means bright Alans, in reference to their grandeur. Rohsh = bright in Persian and Ossetian, Ossetians are the direct descendants of Alans.
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Ok you say " Persians came from Central Asia to Iran". Where is Turks came from to Central Asia?. America? Turks don't steal history from other nations like you so our history and culture is original. Turkish culture isn't pathetic like your civilazition.
Alans, Ossetians, Circassians, Roxolans and other "iranic" tribes are unimportant for us. Our glorious history don't need them.
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Shaman you are out of line. Your deragatory remarks need to stop.
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Posted: 13-Mar-2006 at 18:41 |
Originally posted by Land of Aryan
TURKS TEACH NEW THEORIES
Source:The New York Times Date:Feb. 9, 1936 ISTANBUL Feb. 7-
In the presence of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk and members of the Cabinet the new school of history, geography and literature recently was opened at Angora. Its immediate purpose is to make the capital the cultural center of the republic and, combined with the law school, it will be the nucleus of a complete university, sister of the one at Istanbul. The significance of the new foundation, however, is much wider and more ambitious, for its object is to expound new theories on Turkish history and language for which no less a person than Mr. Ataturk is responsible. The President of the Turkish Republic, besides being a statesman and soldier of remarkable abilities, has considerable knowledge about history and linguistic matters. As the result of many years of labor in these directions, he has propounded certain theories which will be taught in the new school at Angora. They are somewhat difficult to explain, but their broad outlines are as follows: Work done by various scientists during the last fifty years goes to show that the Turkish race has been grossly maligned by older historians biased by racial or religious prejudices. The Turks are far form being a predatory race of barbarians. The Turks reached, in remote ages, a high state of culture which, during migrations into China, India, Mesopotamia and Asia Minor, they spread among the less enlightened peoples. They should therefore really be considered the fathers of civilization and possessors of one of the greatest and most glorious histories in the world. As regards language, the new theory is called the "sun language." Starting with the conclusion reached by the French scientist Hilaire de Baranton in his book "L'Origine des Langues, des Religions et des Peuples," published in Paris three years ago, that all languages originated from hieroglyphs and cuneiforms used by Sumerians, the Turkish theory claims that the Sumerians, being Turks, originating in Central Asia, all languages also consequently originated there and first used by the Turks. the first language, in fact, came into being in this wise: Prehistoric man, i.e., Turks in the most primitive stage, was so struck by the effects of the sun on life that he made of it a deity whence sprang all good and evil. Thence came to him light, darkness, warmth and fire, with it were associated all ideas of time: height, distance, movement, size, and give expression to his feelings the sun was thus the first thing to which a name was given. It was "ag" [pronounced agh], and from this syllable all words in use today are derived. This, briefly, is the theory about the "sun language," and with the new conception of Turkish history it will be taught in the new Angora school. Specialists will also teach Greek, Latin, Sanskrit, Sumerian, Hittite, Chinese, French, English, German, Russian and Hungarian. |
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year 1936 it was `new theories`
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http://www.turks.org.uk/
16th century world;
Ottomans all Roman orients
Safavids in Persia
Babur in india
`azerbaycan bayragini karabagdan asacagim``
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Posted: 13-Mar-2006 at 18:44 |
True merced12. It is old news that is no longer part of a schools curriculum.
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Posted: 13-Mar-2006 at 18:47 |
Originally posted by Shaman
Originally posted by Zagros
Persians came from Central Asia to Iran, along with Medes and Parthians, Persians were nomads in the exact same style as Scythians.
Learn some history.
RohshAlani (Roxalani) means bright Alans, in reference to their grandeur. Rohsh = bright in Persian and Ossetian, Ossetians are the direct descendants of Alans.
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Ok you say " Persians came from Central Asia to Iran". Where is Turks came from to Central Asia?. America? Turks don't steal history from other nations like you so our history and culture is original. Turkish culture isn't pathetic like your civilazition.
Alans, Ossetians, Circassians, Roxolans and other "iranic" tribes are unimportant for us. Our glorious history don't need them.
NSrO: rt:irt>>
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Rohxalani and Alani were Sarmatian tribes, so I guess you can add them to your list too. In my opinion the Turkic tribes descended from the same area as the Yakut Turks.
Why get mad I wasn't the one who recorded history... I suggest you study it a little and don't conjecture without any basis.
Nomadic Kermanshahi woman retaining much of the same lifestyle as her ancient Medean and Parthian ancestors, nomads from Central Asia
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Posted: 13-Mar-2006 at 18:47 |
but it seems followed yet at least in AE
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Posted: 13-Mar-2006 at 18:48 |
Originally posted by Seko
True merced12. It is old news that is no longer part of a schools curriculum.
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are you sure?
i also heard that ataturk said all languages were of turkic origion.
i really hope this kind of propaganda is no longer taught, however, im sure some of it is still taught.
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Posted: 13-Mar-2006 at 18:49 |
zagros, seko
i believe shaman needs to be banned for comments like that according to AE?
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Posted: 13-Mar-2006 at 18:51 |
Prsn41ife I am not sure. I am going by the friends who told me about the kind of education they have in Turkey. And the Sun theory and its like is no longer practiced in public schools to my knowledge. But since you sure some of it is still taught then be my guest and enlighten us. Show us your proof.
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Posted: 13-Mar-2006 at 18:54 |
No, let's not, I will take Seko's word for it - let's keep this civil and on topic...
Prsn, stop going off topic. And Seko gave him an informal warning, per regulation.
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Posted: 13-Mar-2006 at 18:54 |
Originally posted by prsn41ife
zagros, seko
i believe shaman needs to be banned for comments like that according to AE?
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He was given my informal warning on this thread. If a continued disturbance occurs it will be dealt with by the proper channels. A PM is the proper method of sharing thoughts on another member. And lastly you are at the middle of many heated debates I have seen so far. You should remind yourself of any provocations as well.
I will remind Shaman via PM of this informal warning.
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Posted: 13-Mar-2006 at 18:55 |
Originally posted by prsn41ife
Originally posted by Seko
True merced12. It is old news that is no longer part of a schools curriculum.
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are you sure?
i also heard that ataturk said all languages were of turkic origion.
i really hope this kind of propaganda is no longer taught, however, im sure some of it is still taught.
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you are a super comedian ,you are best
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http://www.turks.org.uk/
16th century world;
Ottomans all Roman orients
Safavids in Persia
Babur in india
`azerbaycan bayragini karabagdan asacagim``
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Posted: 13-Mar-2006 at 18:56 |
Originally posted by prsn41ife
zagros, seko
i believe shaman needs to be banned for comments like that according to AE?
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if shaman banned ,why are you banned?who says everything iranic?
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http://www.turks.org.uk/
16th century world;
Ottomans all Roman orients
Safavids in Persia
Babur in india
`azerbaycan bayragini karabagdan asacagim``
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Posted: 13-Mar-2006 at 18:56 |
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Posted: 13-Mar-2006 at 18:57 |
Shaman is not banned. He was given an informal warning. This case is closed. Now continue on with the origianl topic.
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Posted: 13-Mar-2006 at 19:00 |
merced12, am i a comedian now?
from a turkish site:
http://www.allaboutturkey.com/reform.htm#dil
Non-Turkish words were seen as symbols of the past, and there was great nationalist enthusiasm, supported by government policies, to get rid of them. Purification of the language became a national cause. Dictionaries began to drop Arabic and Persian words and sought to resurrect archaic terms or words from Turkish dialects or to coin new words from old stems and roots to be used in their place. The Turkish Language Society (Trk Dil Kurumu), founded in 1932, supervised the collection and dissemination of Turkish folk vocabulary and folk phrases to be used in place of foreign words. The citizenry at large was invited to suggest alternatives to words and expressions of non-Turkish origin, and many responded. In 1934 lists of new Turkish words began to be published, and in 1935 they began to appear in newspapers.
The mid-1930s saw the height of the enthusiasm for language reform, and some of the suggested reforms were so extreme as to endanger the understandability of the language. Although purist and zealot opinion favored the banishment of all words of non-Turkish origin, it became obvious to many that some of the suggested reforms verged on the ridiculous. Atatrk resolved the problem with an ingenious political invention that, though embarrassing to language experts, appealed to the nationalists. He suggested the historically preposterous but politically efficacious Sun- Language Theory, which asserted that Turkish was the "mother of all languages," and therefore all foreign words were originally Turkish. Thus, if a suitable Turkish equivalent for a foreign word could not be found, the loanword could be retained without violating the purity of the Turkish language. |
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Posted: 13-Mar-2006 at 19:02 |
Again this is not current and does not prove the current catalogue and details of coursework in a present Turkish history or similar course.
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Posted: 13-Mar-2006 at 19:02 |
Originally posted by merced12
Originally posted by prsn41ife
zagros, seko
i believe shaman needs to be banned for comments like that according to AE?
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if shaman banned ,why are you banned?who says everything iranic? |
thats because prsn didnt call other civilizations pathetic...
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Posted: 13-Mar-2006 at 19:10 |
Originally posted by Seko
Again this is not current and does not prove the current catalogue and details of coursework in a present Turkish history or similar course. |
i just posted that for merced12, who thinks that it isnt true.
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Posted: 13-Mar-2006 at 19:10 |
Originally posted by prsn41ife
merced12, am i a comedian now?
from a turkish site:
http://www.allaboutturkey.com/reform.htm#dil
Non-Turkish words were seen as symbols of the past, and there was great nationalist enthusiasm, supported by government policies, to get rid of them. Purification of the language became a national cause. Dictionaries began to drop Arabic and Persian words and sought to resurrect archaic terms or words from Turkish dialects or to coin new words from old stems and roots to be used in their place. The Turkish Language Society (Trk Dil Kurumu), founded in 1932, supervised the collection and dissemination of Turkish folk vocabulary and folk phrases to be used in place of foreign words. The citizenry at large was invited to suggest alternatives to words and expressions of non-Turkish origin, and many responded. In 1934 lists of new Turkish words began to be published, and in 1935 they began to appear in newspapers.
The mid-1930s saw the height of the enthusiasm for language reform, and some of the suggested reforms were so extreme as to endanger the understandability of the language. Although purist and zealot opinion favored the banishment of all words of non-Turkish origin, it became obvious to many that some of the suggested reforms verged on the ridiculous. Atatrk resolved the problem with an ingenious political invention that, though embarrassing to language experts, appealed to the nationalists. He suggested the historically preposterous but politically efficacious Sun- Language Theory, which asserted that Turkish was the "mother of all languages," and therefore all foreign words were originally Turkish. Thus, if a suitable Turkish equivalent for a foreign word could not be found, the loanword could be retained without violating the purity of the Turkish language. |
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this is a personal site not offical site.
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http://www.turks.org.uk/
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Posted: 13-Mar-2006 at 19:14 |
merced12, type in Sun language theory in google
anyway, here is another link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_Language_Theory
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