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    Posted: 18-Aug-2006 at 08:52
Originally posted by Maziar

 
Sorry, but the word "man" is an indo-europian word, it isn't Altaic, so i doubt that this word exists in Turkish. Osman is only one word and you can't divide it in 2 or more words and build a new concept.
 
Actually,the addition/suffix "-man" in old Turkic languages meant "-ling" in English 
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i dont know about other arabic speaking countries, but in egypt the ottomans are called Osmaniyin...single of which is Osmani
 
each word begins with the "3en" letter which is a deep throated sound
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the name of Osman was Ataman(I read it on a newspaper article) but it was obviously not a "muslim" name.The muslims began to call him Osman later on 
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its a old Xiongnu name so hunnic asian huns= turkic but xiongnu included alot of mongols
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Originally posted by xi_tujue

what about the name teoman thats a old turkic name right like toumen and teoman are the same or not


That sounds Mongolian since it means a division of 10,000 troops, if I am not mistaken. 
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rather coincidense. And i am sure teoman or touman is only one word, it dose not include teo and man, but also teoman, one word.
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what about the name teoman thats a old turkic name right like toumen and teoman are the same or not
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This isn't the "man" which is european,Osman is an arabic name.
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Originally posted by erkut

Osmans relatives names mostly Tukic(Shamanic) just like they were in C.Asia. Byzantians call him ass Atman. At=horse man=men Od=fire. Probably his name islamaized after his death.
 
Sorry, but the word "man" is an indo-europian word, it isn't Altaic, so i doubt that this word exists in Turkish. Osman is only one word and you can't divide it in 2 or more words and build a new concept.
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Originally posted by erkut

Osmans relatives names mostly Tukic(Shamanic) just like they were in C.Asia. Byzantians call him ass Atman. At=horse man=men Od=fire. Probably his name islamaized after his death.
 
this sounds like a new theory, you did not provide us with any sources that would support what you say.
 
as far as i know and heard, his name is Osman and written Uthman in Arabic and the previous Turkish Alphabet before it was change to Latin not far ago.
 
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what about the 3rd calpih like azimuth said
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Osmans relatives names mostly Tukic(Shamanic) just like they were in C.Asia. Byzantians call him ass Atman. At=horse man=men Od=fire. Probably his name islamaized after his death.
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its more popular in north Africa than Arabia, and yes its arabic, the 3rd Caliph after the Prophet is Othman.
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I allways that osman was an arabic name if I'm not wrong?
 
I don't hear the name often for arabic or even non turkish males


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Originally posted by erkut

Actually his name wasnt Osman. His real name was Atman or Odman.
 
source?
 
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I guess I found the location of Osman's grandfather's (Gazi Gunduzalp)  tomb. It seems to be in a village near Ankara, called Beypazari.
 
 
GAZI GUNDUZALP TOMB

Tomb is at a point over viewing village ways passing through large walnut trees on a hill next to Hırkatepe Village in the 20 km west of the county. It is said that he has died during a war and he had been buried here.

 
HISTORY OF THE VILLAGE
 
On this lands, we can see cultural remainings of Hitits, Frigs, Galats, Romans, Byzantiums, Seljuks and Ottomans. Beypazarı was on the way connecting Istanbul to Bagdat during Roman times and it was named as "Lagania" at those times. It was the Regional Headquarter during Byzantium times.

Then...Turks, under the command of Soultan Alparslan, came to Anatolia. So Beypazarı also met with the first Turkish warriors and became their country. The most important one was the Kayı Tribe which will govern the whole world, afterwards. The grave of Gunduzalp, grandfather of Osman Bey during Seljuks time , is in Beypazarı. Beypazarı became , a commercial center on the way of Istanbul-Bağdat, one of the warrior centers depending on the Hdavendigar (Bursa) Province, following the conquest of Ankara by Orhan Bey the horse supported soldier chief, due to and the dense commercial life it was named as BEG BAZARI (means that place where chiefs trade).(1)

 
Originally posted by barbar

Was he called as Beg or Bey?
 
(1) BEG BAZARI (means that place where chiefs trade).
 
It is possible that at that time he was called Osman Beg.
 


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Actually his name wasnt Osman. His real name was Atman or Odman.
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Osman Gazi was the Khan of Kayı Tribe,after Seljuk Empire broken.Osman Gazi created a Beylik(mini-country).İt become bigger in the time of Ertuğrul Bey,and become a country.
 
Osmanlı means "Sons Of Osman"


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    There is still speculation about the name of Osman Gazi. We know the name of this great founder from Byzantian records. And his name is written as "Uthman Beg" there. Some historians say his name could be a more Turkish name, like "Tuman Bey" or "Ataman Bey". But we believe his name was Osman. In European records the name of empire is known as "Ottoman" regard to Byzantian records.
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Originally posted by DayI

Originally posted by barbar

Was he called as Beg or Bey? I'm curious as we use Beg in Uyghur Turkish, which means local chief or aristocrat.  Bay means someone who is rich.

What about Ataman? It has a meaning as a leader in our language. Interestingly, the title translation of the novel "God Father"  into Uyghur is "Ataman".

BTW, People here dont' know Ottoman at all. We call the empire as " Osman Turk Impiriyesi".   

 

bey/beg has the same meaning, only differs in dialects we say it both. I know "bay" means "rich" also in Turkmen lang.

Godfather = Baba by us, also baba and ata means father in Turkish.

Right. In Turkmen "bay" means rich, but we also have a separate word "beg", which does not mean rich. "Beg" is a title rather than a showing of how much money or property one has. Often, people were called by their first name followed by word "bay", for instance "Artyk-bay."
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