Turks in Bulgaria (Flame-War Warning)

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Posted: 06-Jun-2006 at 07:44

i think his talking about the muslim greeks from crete.

another thread, this is about turks in bulgaria

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Posted: 06-Jun-2006 at 07:35

Create?

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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 17:21

what about create turks or muslim greeks.

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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 15:30

Most of the "Rum"s, in Anatolia knew Turkish, 1/5 ratio of speaking Turkish that you gave doesn't sound logical.

And they came after exchange treaty between Turkey and Greece, not after anything else.

It is logical,since those 200.000 were speaking only Turkish.The rest could probably speak the language,but also Hellenic.

Most of them came after the destruction of Smyrna in 1922,hunted by the Turkish forces.Only a part came with exchange.

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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 13:40

If it's indeed to everyones' liking why does the topic need to be closed? The discussion is not breaking any rools. I think the Moderator is overdoing it.

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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 12:38

One interesting thread will be closed...

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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 12:20

[q]Well, before the thread is closed, I'd like to say that it was a very interesting and, hopefully, constructing topic with only one disadvantage: damn too much information! With the few time I can spend in the net, I never got to read even half of all the things in here! And there were some pretty interesting argues, which I, unfortunately, missed... [/q]

I totally agree with you.

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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 11:33

Well, before the thread is closed, I'd like to say that it was a very interesting and, hopefully, constructing topic with only one disadvantage: damn too much information! With the few time I can spend in the net, I never got to read even half of all the things in here! And there were some pretty interesting argues, which I, unfortunately, missed...

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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 09:56

As my final observation, I just would like to express my gratitude to all the Bulgarians, Turks, Armenians, Kurds and Greeks for sharing their opinion and perspective on us, the Turks in Bulgaria. Smile

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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 09:01

Gentlemen:

As a heads-up, let's finish this thread. After 16 pages and 320 posts, the discussion is bogging down in minutia, and becoming pointless.

Make your final comments and I'll be closing this thread tonight.

Thanks.

Edited by pikeshot1600 - 05-Jun-2006 at 09:02

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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 06:30

Originally posted by Draco Valerious

mostly old genarations knows turkish

From the 1.250.000 Hellen refugees who came after the destruction of Smyrna in Hellas,around 200.000,if i am not mistaken,were speaking Turkish.Today only a few old people still speak Turkish.The rest are explained by Digenis.

hear in south america,armenians speaking turkish

Don't trust what you hear.

Most of the "Rum"s, in Anatolia knew Turkish, 1/5 ratio of speaking Turkish that you gave doesn't sound logical.

And they came after exchange treaty between Turkey and Greece, not after anything else.

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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 06:16

Originally posted by bleda

Originally posted by Draco Valerious

and in greece most of gypsies speaking turkish?

Wrong.

are u sure? in selanik ,i talked turkish to gypsies

Because there are so many people emigrated from Anatolia to Greece, it is not so hard to find people who you can speak Turkish with..

As those families who had emigrated continue to speak Turkish while they're at home, or at least they teach it to the children by using in some cases.

There was a man I know thanks to my father, Mr. Dimitrios Oreopoulos, a Greek who lives in Canada, one of the leading people in Nephrology(Medicine regarding kidneys) and called as the "father" of peritoneal dialysis.

This man was born in 1939 in Greece.But his hometown was the same place as my hometown in Turkey(Kayseri, one hour to Cappadocia)...

So, he was long after his family emigrated to Greece.When we spoke Turkish with my father, he understood that perfectly(and translated to us actually :D),but he couldn't speak.We asked, how can you understand such well even though you never lived in Turkey or you never learned practically(He had emigrated to Canada some time after WW II), he said:

" My parents and brothers all knew it very well and used to talk at home...There shall be some ear-familiarity..."

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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 05:09

25.000 ???

ps :i agree i ve been in Rhodes! Really beautiful!

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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 05:07

there are turkish speaker on Kos, and some left in Rhodos (i dont know there numbers).

Who in there right mind would leave either island.

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Posted: 05-Jun-2006 at 04:16

bleda, there are Greeks who speak turkish, but they are not refugees from Asia Minor, but refugees from Constantinople, when they were forced to leave Turkey in 1955. I know such people (they were almost 200.000, quite many), and naturally most of them speak turkish well.
Gypsies in Greece speak Roma and Greek. I don't know what exactly that is (it's supposed to be a Indian sort of language). There's a good chance they have turksih elements, but I really can't know that. I heard in a bus a gypsy woman's name was 'Aise' and not 'Erato' as in Greek television Wink

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Digenis, there are Turks living in our islands of eastern Aegean (Dodecanese) such as Rhodos, Kos etc. I didn't know that until this year when I met a people from Kos and Rhodos (in the University). Their number is about this 1000-2000. I assume that is because we took these islands long after the population exchange.

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Posted: 04-Jun-2006 at 15:20

I have an Armenian friend, her mother is an Armenian from Venezuela, her father is also an Armenian, from Syria (both being descendants of Genocide survivors), they speak Western Armenian, not Turkish.

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