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Centrix Vigilis
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Topic: Archaeology Useless? Posted: 26-May-2012 at 20:30 |
What's even more ironic is the fricking idiots who are writing this and hence supporting this clap...they are on the list...fu*king dummies.
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Posted: 26-May-2012 at 19:38 |
I'm surprised they included history. The research skills a historian learns gives them an advantage in the job market: many become journalists, managers and analysts
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Posted: 26-May-2012 at 17:52 |
Lol, I didn't even check the list:
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Posted: 26-May-2012 at 17:47 |
I agree.
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Posted: 26-May-2012 at 16:06 |
Yugo, I do not think arch. is useless, I posted that mainly to see what others had to say. I believe that is becoming too common an attitude in a substantial slice of the public. It's something that should concern us all. Funds for digs and the science required after have never been easy to come by, this kind of thinking won't make it any easier.
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Posted: 26-May-2012 at 13:45 |
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Posted: 23-May-2012 at 22:33 |
Originally posted by Toltec
Useless at what. Getting a you job, sure. But since when has a degree been about getting you a job?
Oh yes. the 1980's.
I blame Thatcher.
P.S.
I was almost happy to read the report saying archaeology is useless, finally an American who knows what archaeology is... Every report I ever read in an American publication never says "archaeologists" have discovered, they always say "scientists". Then you get the archaeologist riposting to the article in "science" magazine describing archaeology as a"social science". Look I know there is practically zero archaeology in America but for Christ sake can't someone learn archaeology is not science, not social science, it's a branch of anthropology.
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Yep..true enough. But I have known that for 40 years so give me something new and unlike the main here have the credentials to prove it. Toltec wrote-Red responded. ''Most archaeologists I've spoken couldn't care less people know nothing about archaeology or that most people have an almost entirely wrong idea about prehistory (largely given to them by historians). They're happy to spread knowledge among themselves and keep it at that.'' ''On this we can agree. For some warped reason they seem to think that by keeping their knowledge to themselves it somehow protects their status. The danger there is basically what this thread is about.'' ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I just got done standing in a pen two foot deep in cow shit.... both are true...I have known this for 40 years...tell me something new. I'm not in the pens because I love archaeology or history less or can make more or less money at either.....but because I choose it. Toltec: ''In some cases archaeology does engrandise a country, South America for example, proving a longer and more astonishing past than the nationalist historians dreamt of, so is happily welcomed. But in the cases of most countries it just proves the national myth complete nonsense so is kept at arms length from public knowledge.'' Subjective and such an enormous generalization it almost isn't worth responding to...... But I will. Tell me for example.. that the countless anthro's and archaeo's and socio's etc... who have illuminated Northern Native American and Canadian sociological and cultural development.... have not helped and enriched those folks history thru their work and presentations and this has been rejected by the vast majority they have studied. And as for the nationalization and use of it to promote the same.... which country on the planet has not done the same....iow. Known this for 40 years tell me something new. As to whether or not you and 300,000,000 plus people know nothing about the efforts and contributions of archaeo's and related disciplines in America or elsewhere.........walk that dog on another path........because in the end that remained a personal choice on their part. Not because an opportunity to learn wasn't offered in a free and democratic society... the motives and the agendas of all professional social scientists aside.... Because the 'hard science folks' even more so... do the same thing......so in conclusion...known that for 40 years...tell me something new. Little less Thai spice and little more Tiswin will serve ya well.
Edited by Centrix Vigilis - 23-May-2012 at 22:36
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Posted: 23-May-2012 at 19:17 |
Originally posted by Toltec
Originally posted by Yugoslav
Oh come on...every discipline is useful. |
Erm.... Sociology! |
And pointless subjects like "leisure and tourism." If someone wants to run a tourist attraction they could simply take a business management course, or work their way up from the bottom with on-the-job training
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Posted: 23-May-2012 at 16:00 |
Originally posted by Yugoslav
Oh come on...every discipline is useful. |
Erm.... Sociology!
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Posted: 23-May-2012 at 13:58 |
Oh come on...every discipline is useful.
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Posted: 23-May-2012 at 11:52 |
This is the golden time of Arch. in the americas. The bulk of the work is still waiting.
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Posted: 23-May-2012 at 08:58 |
Me and 313,597,552 other people.
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Posted: 23-May-2012 at 08:18 |
I stand on what I said. You still don't know squat about archaeology in the US.
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Posted: 23-May-2012 at 05:06 |
Originally posted by red clay
Anthropology is a Social Science. As far as your characterization of Archaeology in
the US, you really don't know squat. |
I know enough that on your own forum, the Social Sciences forum is in the Intellectual discussion section and Archaeology is on the same forum as Anthropology in the Genral history section.
So will you be eating those words straight up or lightly sorteed in garlic and served with a hollandaise sauce?
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Posted: 22-May-2012 at 19:12 |
Originally posted by Toltec
Originally posted by Nick1986
If archaeology's such a useless subject we'd be almost ignorant of past |
Most people are.
The worst offenders at being ignorant of archaeology is historians, especially those who frequent history forums.
Most archaeologists I've spoken couldn't care less people know nothing about archaeology or that most people have an almost entirely wrong idea about prehistory (largely given to them by historians). They're happy to spread knowledge among themselves and keep it at that. |
Unfortunately, that's true. Mick Aston is one of the few exceptions
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Posted: 22-May-2012 at 12:55 |
Originally posted by lirelou
Korea likes to claim 5,000 years of history for itself, yet an archeological work by a Korean-American Ph.D. trims 3000 years off than, and notes that the pre-historic sites for manufacturing daggers proclaaimed as uniquely 'Korean' have been found all over North China.
So, it seems that archeologists can at least attempt to keep historians honest by providing some useful evidence raising doubts about long-accepted versions of history. |
In some cases archaeology does engrandise a country, South America for example, proving a longer and more astonishing past than the nationalist historians dreamt of, so is happily welcomed. But in the cases of most countries it just proves the national myth complete nonsense so is kept at arms length from public knowledge.
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Posted: 22-May-2012 at 12:22 |
Actually, I like archeology and it does open the door to some civilian careers. An intelligence analyst I worked with in Mexico had done the field work for his masters degree there. At that time the general histories treated the Maya as a lowland civilization that had never come in contact with the Mexica on the Altiplano plateus, something that a recent archeological discovery on a hilltop near Puebla had debunked. Likewise, the popular historic version of the Teotihuacan civilization held that they had not practiced human sacrifice, something he called into question by pointing out that its pyramids included blood runnels for draining the blood of sacrificial victims.
Korea likes to claim 5,000 years of history for itself, yet an archeological work by a Korean-American Ph.D. trims 3000 years off than, and notes that the pre-historic sites for manufacturing daggers proclaaimed as uniquely 'Korean' have been found all over North China.
So, it seems that archeologists can at least attempt to keep historians honest by providing some useful evidence raising doubts about long-accepted versions of history.
As for it being a branch of anthropology, I believe it is accepted as such. But given the AAA's activist political tint, and insistence on political correctness, over the past forty years, I can see why many archeologists might want to consider it separate.
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Posted: 22-May-2012 at 10:31 |
Toltec wrote-
Most archaeologists I've spoken couldn't care less people know nothing about archaeology or that most people have an almost entirely wrong idea about prehistory (largely given to them by historians). They're happy to spread knowledge among themselves and keep it at that.
On this we can agree. For some warped reason they seem to think that by keeping their knowledge to themselves it somehow protects their status. The danger there is basically what this thread is about.
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Posted: 22-May-2012 at 10:21 |
Anthropology is a Social Science. As far as your characterization of Archaeology in the US, you really don't know squat.
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Posted: 22-May-2012 at 10:19 |
Originally posted by Nick1986
If archaeology's such a useless subject we'd be almost ignorant of past |
Most people are.
The worst offenders at being ignorant of archaeology is historians, especially those who frequent history forums.
Most archaeologists I've spoken couldn't care less people know nothing about archaeology or that most people have an almost entirely wrong idea about prehistory (largely given to them by historians). They're happy to spread knowledge among themselves and keep it at that.
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