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SQUADRON BATTLESHIP "TWELVE APOSTLES"


 SQUADRON BATTLESHIP TWELVE APOSTLES   It is laid in 1889 on by Nikolayevsk the admiralty, on 13 September, 1890, it is gone down to the water and in 1892 entered the system. Until 13 February, 1892, it counted by armored ship. During April 1907 it is brought out from the fighting strength of fleet, it is disarmed and in 1912 re-equipped into the " blockship?8 ". From the spring 1918 it was found on the storage in the Sevastopol military port, and in 1922 it was selected to the metal.

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Technical characteristics

Displacement 8438 t.
It is long 104,2 m.
Width 18,3 m.
Sagging 8,8 m.
Power of the mechanisms 8758 hp.
Running speed 15,7 knots
Cruising range 1500 miles (by 10- main motion)
Armoring from 203 to 356 mm
The crew 599 people

Armament


305- mm 4
152- mm 4
63- mm 2
47- mm 12
37- mm 14
The torpedo tubes 6
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14-Dec-2012 at 08:43
Impressive-looking ship Mountainman. Twelve Apostles served as the set for Eisenstein's film Battleship Potemkin as the real Potemkin was at the bottom of the sea
http://armoured.ru/dvenadcat_apostolov_eng.php
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Close-up of Twelve Apostles' Turret:  Main guns are 12"/35 cal.




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  Quote Mountain Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Dec-2012 at 13:33
The Russian attempt to deal with those pesky "stability issues" didn't work very well, either, although it certainly was unique.

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The Twelve Apostles c. 1888 - note the "fortess" type turrets:


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Anatomy of a pre-dreadnought battleship
http://www.cityofart.net/bship/predread.html
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Surviving pre-dreadnought battleships
http://www.oz.net/markhow/pre-dred/index.htm
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20-Oct-2012 at 11:29
HMS Captain, the first turret ship in RN service, wasn't a success due to stability issues. She capsized in 1871 with the loss of almost 500 crew:
http://www.hmscaptain.co.uk/The%20Story/The%20Building/lairds.htm
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  Quote Mountain Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Aug-2012 at 00:39
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Masts were ideal for snipers, despite officers' fears the sails would catch fire. According to Frederick Myatt's book on 19th century firearms, the Nordenfelt gun could be put in the crows' nest and used to rake the decks of enemy warships


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  Quote Mountain Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Aug-2012 at 00:36
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This website might interest you Delenda. The British built this advanced battleship for the Italians just one year after the Civil War ended
http://www.cityofart.net/bship/rn_affondatore.html


The Italians always had a certain flair for naval design.  Nice find, Nick
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Aug-2012 at 19:06

Masts were ideal for snipers, despite officers' fears the sails would catch fire. According to Frederick Myatt's book on 19th century firearms, the Nordenfelt gun could be put in the crows' nest and used to rake the decks of enemy warships
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  Quote Mountain Man Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Aug-2012 at 18:01
Ramming is generally a bad idea due to the crew and marines aboard the vessel being rammed, who suddenly have a terrific incentive to board and capture the ramming vessel.  In addition, it was not unknown for the rammming vessel to become trapped by the hull of the targeted vessel and become unable to disengage.

Civil War ironclads are actually an entirely different breed of fish, having absolutely awful sea-keeping qualities, the turreted variety having pretty much a zero freeboard, and neither of them being all that maneuverable in terms of engine power.

The Parrot Gun and other rifled muzzle loading cannon were formidable weapons, but had a slow rate of fire as opposed to the traditional broadside of forty guns or so, and the ironclads remained vulnerable to having their decks swept by enemy fire and their rudder shot away, which BTW persisted into the 20th century and caused the sinking of the Bismarck.

Muzzle loading weapons, meanwhile, exposed the gun crews to a literal hurricane of shot and shell and was a precarious way to make a living.

For the crew, the sheer noise level inside of an ironclad under attack was enough to literally drive men mad, bursting eardrums and rendering speech and thought impossible, and although the hull armor plates might have been impervious to enemy fire, the riveted seams were not.

Being "ironclad" was an advantage, but not enough to ensure victory by itself.
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  Quote Delenda est Roma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Aug-2012 at 19:38
The fact they could fall and cause major damage on deck?
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 23-Aug-2012 at 19:11
Not really. Masts neither helped nor hindered Victorian warships as they used steam power in battle
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  Quote Delenda est Roma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2012 at 19:34
In battle masts were a major liability.
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Aug-2012 at 19:19
On the contrary: they saved a lot of coal on long-distance ocean crossings. It wasn't until the late 19th century when steamships were big enough to carry enough fuel, and even then they had to stop at coaling stations
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  Quote Delenda est Roma Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Aug-2012 at 20:19
Sails weren't very effective for ironclads.
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  Quote Nick1986 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21-Aug-2012 at 19:14
A central paddle was better protected from enemy fire. I imagine the steam engine was only used in battle, treacherous coastal areas, or when sailing against the wind
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Yes it was designed as ship. I can't get any links in the whole site to work...,
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