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mojobadshah
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Topic: Religion of Kurds? Posted: 07-Nov-2013 at 13:09 |
Originally posted by Ollios
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From what I understand the Zaza Kurds are descendants of Zoroastrians, and according to "Zarathushtra and Zoroastrianism" the Kurds define themselves as Zoroastrians. |
Yazidism is similar with Zoroastrians, but not same. Maybe, ,it is preislamic religion of Kurds. Yazidism secret place are in North Iraq.
However Zaza are mostly Alevi, not Yazidi and Zazas and Yazidis live in different regions
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I think the point that "Zarathushtra and Zoroastrianism" is that many Irano-Afghans understand that their religious heritage goes back to Zoroastrianism, and apparently some Irano-Afghan nations as a whole especially the Kurds and Tajiks ultimately identify with Zoroastrianism. I think this would be true as long as you were talking to educated Irano-Afghans.
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Posted: 07-Nov-2013 at 03:12 |
ok in just few words can any one tell me what is the differences between hanafi and naqshbandi ?
and yes we turkmens are sunni hanafi but we use tengiri in namaz not allah so i think it's make little differences
Edited by yomud - 07-Nov-2013 at 03:15
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Posted: 29-Oct-2013 at 15:30 |
Originally posted by mojobadshah
From what I understand the Zaza Kurds are descendants of Zoroastrians, and according to "Zarathushtra and Zoroastrianism" the Kurds define themselves as Zoroastrians. |
Yazidism is similar with Zoroastrians, but not same. Maybe, ,it is preislamic religion of Kurds. Yazidism secret place are in North Iraq. However Zaza are mostly Alevi, not Yazidi and Zazas and Yazidis live in different regions
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Posted: 29-Oct-2013 at 13:19 |
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There is a huge difference between the two, Alawi were historically known as Nusayris, they believe in a trinity were Imam Ali is worshipped like a deity, it has some old pre-Islamic beliefs from the region theyre mostly from. Most Alawi are from the Levant, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine/Israel, there is a small community of a couple thousand in Turkey and they're sometimes mistaken as Alevi.
There are lots of sects are commongly all lumped together as "Alevi" and this is a major cause for the confusion people have over Alevi's.
Alevi basically is the continuation of Central Asian Turkic interpretations of Islam, its based upon Sufi mysticsm and doesnt reject pre-Islamic culture which may have some Shamanistic influences, Haci Bektash who was a pupil of Yesevi AlpEren schools spread it to Anatolia and the Balkans which was very sucessfull. |
You are almost right. I am Turk and our religion is Islam.Our sect is Alevi. In Alevi sect there is 'Dedelik' like imam but Dedelik pass by 'blood' like the old Turkish beleive KUT. You know you cannot be Jew but of course you can live like Jews you can call yourself Jew. Alevi Kurds or Araps are the same.
The other point that I want to explain we have to study on Zaza people well. Because in some old Turkish written sources you can easily reach that the Zaza people is the clan of Turks. ( Zaza-mon Zazas)
AlpEren means that the wizard and warrior . Like Dede Korkut. After Islam it'meaning came to the Imam and warrior.
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From what I understand the Zaza Kurds are descendants of Zoroastrians, and according to "Zarathushtra and Zoroastrianism" the Kurds define themselves as Zoroastrians.
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Posted: 26-Oct-2013 at 11:30 |
Many Kurds believe Islam in Shafi way(a branch in Sunni Islam) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shafi%27i#DemographicsAs you see, Dark Blue in East Turkey, West Iran and North Iraq but yes some of them Alevi and Yazidi and some small communities are Jew and Christian
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Posted: 17-Mar-2007 at 08:00 |
Good website, Erkut.
From that website:
Question:
Trkiye Alevileri Tuncelililerden mi ibaret? Atatrk konusunda hep 1937 Dersim ne srlyor. Orta ve Batı Anadoludaki Aleviler, Kars-Ardahan Aleviler sayı olarak Dersim Alevilerinden az mı?
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Tunceli-Sivas(doğu ileler)-Erzincan-Malatya(kuzey) en yoğun yerler..Yerleşim olarak yoğun yerler Diğer blgelerde yerleşimler arasında mesafe var.. Orta anadoluda ankırı 1 ile(şaban z) orum dağınık şekilde ... Tokat dağınık şekilde
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This is also what I was thinking.
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Posted: 17-Mar-2007 at 07:05 |
www.aleviforum.com this is a Turkish Alevi website. Many of Alevi members Kurd or Zaza(How do i know? because they write Kurdish or Zazaic), and even there are some Arabic Alevis.
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Posted: 17-Mar-2007 at 03:52 |
Originally posted by Bulldog
There is a huge difference between the two, Alawi were historically known as Nusayris, they believe in a trinity were Imam Ali is worshipped like a deity, it has some old pre-Islamic beliefs from the region theyre mostly from. Most Alawi are from the Levant, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine/Israel, there is a small community of a couple thousand in Turkey and they're sometimes mistaken as Alevi.
There are lots of sects are commongly all lumped together as "Alevi" and this is a major cause for the confusion people have over Alevi's.
Alevi basically is the continuation of Central Asian Turkic interpretations of Islam, its based upon Sufi mysticsm and doesnt reject pre-Islamic culture which may have some Shamanistic influences, Haci Bektash who was a pupil of Yesevi AlpEren schools spread it to Anatolia and the Balkans which was very sucessfull. |
You are almost right. I am Turk and our religion is Islam.Our sect is Alevi. In Alevi sect there is 'Dedelik' like imam but Dedelik pass by 'blood' like the old Turkish beleive KUT. You know you cannot be Jew but of course you can live like Jews you can call yourself Jew. Alevi Kurds or Araps are the same. The other point that I want to explain we have to study on Zaza people well. Because in some old Turkish written sources you can easily reach that the Zaza people is the clan of Turks. ( Zaza-mon Zazas) AlpEren means that the wizard and warrior . Like Dede Korkut. After Islam it'meaning came to the Imam and warrior.
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Posted: 16-Mar-2007 at 20:37 |
Originally posted by Zagros
Wahabism has only in modern times taken a grip in Islamic countries outside of Saudi, such as Pakistan and Afghanistan - a process started in the 80s.
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What do you mean by grip?
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Posted: 16-Mar-2007 at 20:35 |
Originally posted by Bulldog
Then some go even further and mix Alevi with Alawi.
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Being the only one to pick out the source of confusion, what can i say but well done. You can't imagine the trouble i had with this Alevi and Alawi thing before i worked out that they were different, but similar sounding and often similalrly written names.
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Posted: 16-Mar-2007 at 18:18 |
There is a huge difference between the two, Alawi were historically known as Nusayris, they believe in a trinity were Imam Ali is worshipped like a deity, it has some old pre-Islamic beliefs from the region theyre mostly from. Most Alawi are from the Levant, Syria, Lebanon, Palestine/Israel, there is a small community of a couple thousand in Turkey and they're sometimes mistaken as Alevi.
There are lots of sects are commongly all lumped together as "Alevi" and this is a major cause for the confusion people have over Alevi's.
Alevi basically is the continuation of Central Asian Turkic interpretations of Islam, its based upon Sufi mysticsm and doesnt reject pre-Islamic culture which may have some Shamanistic influences, Haci Bektash who was a pupil of Yesevi AlpEren schools spread it to Anatolia and the Balkans which was very sucessfull.
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Posted: 16-Mar-2007 at 17:58 |
Kırmancis have some alevis too.
I should add I am also someone go even further and mix Alevi with Alawi.
what is their difference?
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Posted: 16-Mar-2007 at 17:55 |
Mortazaa
By the way, Alevi is not only a turkish religious sect. Kurds have their alevis too.
This is a common misconception.
Firstly there is the whole argument over whether Zaza are Kurds, they are an Iranic people but alot of Zaza intellects claim they are their own identity.
Anyway, Zaza have their own sect, its been commongly lumped together with Alevi's which is incorrect.
Then some go even further and mix Alevi with Alawi.
Selah
Alevi is only religion for turks. İt is mix of old Turkish believes and İslam.
While your correct that Alevi interpretation of Islam is based upon Ahmed Yesevi AlpEren schools and the later emissary of these schools "Haci Bektash", which embraced mystical Islam and retained their old Turkic Shamanic customs. It isn't "soley" for Turks, one of their famous sayings is, "we look at 72 nations with the same respect/eye".
Also Bektashi-Alevi is responsible for the large numbers of conversions to Islam in Anatolia and the Balkans. They are very tolerant and open-minded in their thinkings.
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Posted: 16-Mar-2007 at 17:45 |
Well, I think that alavism is changed so much. At past they were followers of shia and shah, now they dislike irans much more than sunni ones.
But Of course, I cannot talk for all alevis. They are so much different from each other.(Even there is some atheist alevis(I dont know whatever it is) and some of them claim, Alevism is not a muslim sect but an other religion.)
But I can easly say, they are not much fond with shia. They changed much and much.
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Posted: 16-Mar-2007 at 17:35 |
This is from an Iran bashing article but it makes clear reference to Alavi Shiism. And I also have a song about Abolfazl which praises Alavi, it's a Persian song.
In English, these are usually translated as Safavid Shiism the quietist and politically subservient Shiism influenced by Safavid political power, sometimes compared to the apolitical version of Islam that emerged among Sunnis under the Ummayad and Abbasid khulafa and Alavi Shiism, the energetic and active Islam demonstrated by Ali ibn Abi Talib (ra). |
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Posted: 16-Mar-2007 at 17:30 |
Originally posted by selah
So If you do not Turk you cannot be Alevi. |
Can I be Christian if I'm not middle-eastern?
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Posted: 16-Mar-2007 at 17:28 |
huh? Alevies have no relation with shia, except their love for Ali.
By the way, Alevi is not only a turkish religious sect. Kurds have their alevis too. Infact Kurdish alevies are more hard core pkk sympatizan than sunni ones.
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Posted: 16-Mar-2007 at 17:23 |
Alavi isn't Shie? I thought 80% of Shies were Alavi!
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Posted: 16-Mar-2007 at 17:19 |
Originally posted by Leonidas
I think sunni is the majority for the total. But some shiite in Iraq and Iran is mainly shiite with some sunni. While in turkey there are also alevi kurds. We shouldnt forget that in Iraq we have non muslim yezidi and there once was some jewish kurds.
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I am new at this forum my Spartian friend But I have to fix your mistake. Alevi is only religion for turks. İt is mix of old Turkish believes and İslam. So If you do not Turk you cannot be Alevi. And know that Alevi isn'T Shii.
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Posted: 13-Mar-2007 at 17:33 |
Originally posted by Zagros
Assyrians are not Kurdish, their language is Semitic (very close to Aramaic, iirc) and, it is the other way around that in fact many Iraqi Kurds are Kurdicised and Islamised Assyrians.
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Good point. I stand corrected
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