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I know I am not a moderator, but I think the other issues that Ming Loyalist and Easterknight are facing should not be argued in this forum. AE is solely designed to exchanges ideas and knowledge, not hatred. Take it outside, guys.
 
 
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I know I am not a moderator, but I think the other issues that Ming Loyalist and Easterknight are facing should not be argued in this forum. AE is solely designed to exchanges ideas and knowledge, not hatred. Take it outside, guys.
     
   
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Originally posted by Easternknight

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on the three other Asian forums I never said you have insulted me personally and yes I am saying your posts on other Asian forums often are racist, Crude and full of POV  when talking about non-chinese related threads Im pretty sure you are asking me for the posts on this forum but im not going to dig up things you have posted on CNA or CHF.
 
CNA is gone and I left that forum long before it was closed because there were too many extremists and racialists.
 
However CHF is history forum and moderating is fair and strictly enforced, racists would be banned real quick, yet I have not been warned on that forum.
 
So next time please stick to debating history and not   ad hominem attacks.
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Originally posted by MING-LOYALIST

 
Originally posted by Easternknight
 
Really, if this is an attempt to insult me just because I mentioned I didn't trust anything you said due to your racism and crude content of your posts on the three other Asian forums it isn't working.
 
Like I said its a work in progress, I was mostly changing POV and "weasel word usage" and in general nationalistic BS. I usually work on Articles I don't know much on largely for the fact when I do research I learn a lot about the topic its one of the ways I learn, so please deal with it.
 
 
I asked you a simple question "I'm wondering why you are editing wikipedia articles if you have so little clue about these topics."
 
and you accuse me of insulting you and racism and crude content.
 
Fine direct me to them. I would like to see my racist and crude comments. post or pm the links.
 
 
 
on the three other Asian forums I never said you have insulted me personally and yes I am saying your posts on other Asian forums often are racist, Crude and full of POV  when talking about non-chinese related threads Im pretty sure you are asking me for the posts on this forum but im not going to dig up things you have posted on CNA or CHF.
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Originally posted by Easternknight
 
Really, if this is an attempt to insult me just because I mentioned I didn't trust anything you said due to your racism and crude content of your posts on the three other Asian forums it isn't working.
 
Like I said its a work in progress, I was mostly changing POV and "weasel word usage" and in general nationalistic BS. I usually work on Articles I don't know much on largely for the fact when I do research I learn a lot about the topic its one of the ways I learn, so please deal with it.
 
 
I asked you a simple question "I'm wondering why you are editing wikipedia articles if you have so little clue about these topics."
 
and you accuse me of insulting you and racism and crude content.
 
Fine direct me to them. I would like to see my racist and crude comments. post or pm the links.


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There is no need to derail this thread further by responding to me.  This is my last post. 

 
What the... what happened? Is he leaving or something?
     
   
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Ok guys, calm down. Let Easterknight defend himself/herself...

 
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Originally posted by MING-LOYALIST

I'm wondering why you are editing wikipedia articles if you have so little clue about these topics.
 
 
Really, if this is an attempt to insult me just because I mentioned I didn't trust anything you said due to your racism and crude content of your posts on the three other Asian forums it isn't working.
 
Like I said its a work in progress, I was mostly changing POV and "weasel word usage" and in general nationalistic BS. I usually work on Articles I don't know much on largely for the fact when I do research I learn a lot about the topic its one of the ways I learn, so please deal with it.
 
 
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Eastern Knight explained why that post was off topic, that should be enough.  If anyone has a problem with it, take it up in another thread.
 This thread has been a source of heartburn since it began.  Keep it civil or I will lock it and give warnings where appropriate.
 
 
 
 
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Eastern Knight explained why that post was off topic, that should be enough.  If anyone has a problem with it, take it up in another thread.
 This thread has been a source of heartburn since it began.  Keep it civil or I will lock it and give warnings where appropriate.
 
 
 
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I'm wondering why you are editing wikipedia articles if you have so little clue about these topics.
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Nevermind I think this thread has run its course most of my stuff is         off-topic anyway so im going to stop posting. [for a while at least]
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Originally posted by Sonagi

Eastern Knight quoted me:

Once unification is established?  Fifty-two years and counting.  Don't expect some sudden reunification like the Berlin Wall falling.  Rather, South Korea's strategy is long-term gradual economic and political ties.
 
Superpower?  Not even a regional power, overshadowed economically and militarily by its larger neighbors.
 
and then responded:
 
"that quote was what I was talking about"
 
And where is the negative generalization about Koreans in that quote?  Are you denying that both China and Japan have larger economies than Korea?  China's military is larger, too.   In many parts of the world, Korea's large and growing economy would make it a regional power, but in northeast Asia, it ranks third out of four or five, depending on who is counted.
 
And, BTW, that's one quote, which I have responded to above.
 
 
I WASN'T TALKING ABOUT NEGATIVE STATMENTS ABOUT KOREANS. I was talking about when I replied to your statment:
 
Superpower?  Not even a regional power, overshadowed economically and militarily by its larger neighbors.
 
 
you then asked what I was talking about when I mentioned China's massive internal problems and Japan having the worlds lowest birthrate and increasing militaristic and racist politics. Can obviously affect how NE Asia works. and that was the quote I brought up not the ones I felt had generalizations about Koreans.
 
 
Seeing how Japan has had around a century [could be more depends if you count when western influence first started] to modernize ahead of the rest of Asia and has three times the population. I don't want to guess China's population compared to that of South Korea's if they didn't have bigger economies I would be dissapointed.
 
About China's Military [im not argueing South Korea's Military is superior so I don't want dumb posts attacking me] Having a larger Military doesn't mean its more powerful Im only going to touch on one point and it is quality of training I belive [if im wrong you can correct me] only 250,000-300,000 of its Soldiers are traind to "Western Standards" not meaning to sound like an ignorant fool but the average PLA Soldier is a peasant with a rifle. We Don't know how South Korea/Korea will do in the decades to come im saying You can't assume.
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Originally posted by Siege Tower

come on Easternknight, it's tang empire you were talking about there
 
 
While Tang boasted the Worlds most powerful Military it wasn't invinciable.
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Originally posted by MING-LOYALIST

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"In the end, the Tang army retreated with heavy losses (a large number of the 100,000-200,000 deaths of Tang's army came from this siege). Taizong was defeated by not being able to take down Ansi.(안시성 전투) and the military  commander Yeon Gaesomun also defeated the Tang army. As a result Goguryeo was able to repel the attack and Taizong, caught between Yang's forces in the front and Yeon's counter-attacking forces closing in behind him--as well as suffering from the harsh Manchurian winter was forced to flee back to China. With Yeon in close pursuit, Taizong's desperate, fleeing forces were decimated by Yeon, and Taizong himself barely escaped with his life. After Taizong death in 649, the Tang army again sent the army to conquer Gorguryeo in 661 and 662, but while Yeon Gaesomun was alive, Tang was not able to conquer the Goguryeo kingdom."
 
What are the sources for these claims??
 
In Tang records Tang army was 100,000 strong, how can it have 100,000-200,000 deaths?
 
Tang army 1
43,000 by 500 warships across the yellow sea straight to pyonyang.
 
Tang army 2
60,000 under personal command of Taizong proceeds from Liaoxi with 10,000 odd turk troops.
 
Other auxilary forces of Unknown number of Khitan, Xi and Mohe forces attacking koguryo in concert with Tang army from other directions.
 
 
Tang army could not take Anshi after a repeated continous two month siege and came close  to running out of supplies in the coming winter and went home.
 
 
 
 
The final claim about Tang taizong fleeing from Yuangaisuwen and barely escaping with his life has no historical records to back it up.
 
 
Tang records state Tang army killed 40,000 Koguryo soldiers in its battles and lost 2,000.
 
 
 
 
I didn't write the Article nor did I add those details. I was in the middle of fixing the article [yes, im a member of wikipedia] as evidently a Chinese nationalist mucked up the article then a Korean Nationalist made it worse. I was fixing it when My computer went haywire and to save the progress I made onto a forum as I couldn't save it to one of my Wiki documents  so I saved it here hence the "this has nothing to do with the topic" post.
 
Oh and Not that I don't belive what you are saying about Tang Army records as I have not done enough research on the matter between Koguryeo and Tang Chinese invasions. But seeing as you are well-known for your anti-anyone not Chinese but mostly Korean crude/racist comments on Asiasfinest, Chinese Nationalist Alliance and CHF I don't trust anything you say without 3 non-PRC Sources backing it up, this is an exception as I don't know enough about it, but Thats an off-topic discussion.
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There is no need to derail this thread further by responding to me.  This is my last post. 



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