Excavation of Bosnian Pyramids , 14 april 2006

Hi Drgonzaga, "bible basher" is an venerated Australian term. It found a place in Australian history when a former Prime Minister called a former state premier a "bible bashing bastard" meaning the politician was fond of sucking up to the religious right wing movement to get their vote. We do tend to have a politically incorrect way of speaking.

I agree, the European caves changed our perception of prehistory. The reality of the age has been preserved and bugger not having any writings about those times for the pictures tell us so much more. When Picasso went to see the cave art he burst into tears and said none of his efforts could ever match those made long ago. I admire both Picasso and cave art. There is a freshness, a vitality in the bold simple lines that gives an overwhelming sense of the figures being immediate.

With the Balkan pyramids what can you do? As I pointed out before most of the sites have been wrecked and looted a long time ago. If nothing else the sites are good for bringing in the needed tourist dollar. You seem to be afraid of commercialization, but progress is a necessary evil that keeps on happening.I indicated in another thread I want to live on an island of bare breasted beauties, but so far as I know there are none left. From here to Timbuktu the natural exposure of mammary is only a memory. These objects are seen in certain clubs of course but that is a different subject where the tourists actually pay to see them.

Drgonzaga, you could try telling a story to illustrate your point. Like how at one time the Turkish government threatened to shoot the next team of "biblical experts" that came along to dig up Mount Ararat, they were doing untold damage to the environment by digging holes  and grabbing every stick of wood they could lay their hands on. Then the authorities wised up. It costs millions of dollars to get a permit to dig there now and yet the bible bashers still come!

Originally posted by drgonzaga  Here is another "pyramid" named Visocica (but in Croatia this time)

Originally posted by drgonzaga That "pyramid" is nothing more than the original site of the Medieval town fortress of Visoko that long ago fell victim to Balkan tumults of the 14th century. The hill, known as Visocica, is hardly a novelty given this fact: A medieval fortress used by Bosnian kings for two centuries sits on top of the Visocica hill. The fortress was built over a Roman Empire observation post, which was built on the ruins of an Illyrian settlement. The Illyrians inhabited the Balkan peninsula long before Slavic tribes conquered it around A.D. 600.  Do people wish to inquire as to the relationship of Illyrians to Albanians!?! As for the more preposterous imagery of Osmaganic, please. Now, if anyone is interested in my discovery of Noah's Ark

 This is what you said and I agreed. Now someone has agreed you wrote;

Originally posted by drgonzaga This is not a Tell or unnatural mound produced by constant building upon an inhabited site, and from this angle the "staged" photography of Osmaganic disappears! But, it is clear that sarcasm escaped you when Noah's Ark was mentioned...

Now you see it and now you don�t. You mean all the building activity you formerly mentioned has disappeared now? Just what are you trying to say and what has Noah�s ark got to do with it?

I was wondering why you were talking when you said about the site being medieval. As you say the site is on of a pre-existing hill. The argument is therefore about the hill being natural or man made in the first place. If an early  settlement was there then it must have been a very rich place to leave behind such a huge mound. The site has been up for grabs since before the Romans who themselves were very systematic in digging up graves sites and carting off the treasures. 

As for the relationship between the Illyrians and the Albanians, what can one say about never ending invasions and strife. The unfortunate part of living in a country that has been at the crossroads of history is every man and his religious or commie dog has raced across the country raping, burning, pillaging and looting right up to not so long ago. 

Osmaganic, ah yes, play it again Sam. Tell me about my alignment! Noah's Ark, what a subject. Please tell us about your discoveries that will change the world. Perhaps if anyone of the original tribe of Israel holds a piece of wood from the true Ark it starts glowing in the dark to attract the rain, hail, thunder and lightning of the Lord? What a find! Perhaps here is the New Age answer to climate change.

That's the whole idea, that a trained team of experts would know better. I saw a Time Team episode where in the usual three days they dug up a dubious site. It was an education in clear thinking and modern archeology as they stripped away the layers of deception and showed step by step how they arrived at their conclusions of the site being a fake.

In the Bosnian case I'm not sure of a pyramid. However from what I have seen there is some sort of ancient structure but is being poorly excavated. Many other examples exist of the same thing, a "sacred hill", common across Europe. The Neothilic builders kept on adding to the outside structure despite internal collapses over time to keep the shape symmetrical. These monuments were usually coated with white limestone and signaled tribal boundaries also group burials and cremations where the spirits could ascend and descend between earth and skies. This had to do with their emerging beliefs about fertility, birth, growth and death.


Edited by elenos - 05-Dec-2007 at 21:23

They need to get Tony Robinson and Time Team over there to check it out. 

Originally posted by Boreasi How does a spade relate to a sky-scraper? You couldnt get the latter without the former.

Very true Boreasi, you have to start somewhere.

The building of "dolmens and megaliths" took in unfamiliar structures, like "tholos" the multistory beehive shaped structures of the "Henge People". What's meant by that? Henge people built what are called henges as in "Stonehenge". In other words a prehistoric culture arose across Europe from 6000 BC that became obsessed with building structures out of stone and began an age of development that in one way or another continued. (They still have these sort of people but they can read and write now).

These earlier people had a culture but not a civilization. The way they could so successfully use their labour over a long period of time suggests a lost form European religion based on a total form of community cooperation, which is quite unknown now days.

It is a fraud and actually injurious to the archaeology of Medieval Bosnia.