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    Posted: 22-Apr-2007 at 20:09
Originally posted by Paul

The legend was probably a medieval invention. In old Northern European legends stretching back to pre-christian times. There are several cups with magical qualities popping up in them (such as the cauldron of the Irish God The Dagda or the cup of the British King Bran). All seem to have the quality of bringing the dead back to life or healing by drinking from them. The cup King Arthur is searching for is almost certainly the cup of Bran not Jesus.
 
As with most other pagan legends and holy days, the medieval church converted by incorperating local mythos into their own.
And the first written mention of the Grail itself is still from Chrtien de Troyes Perceval ou le Conte du Graal, estimated to have been written sometime between 1180 and 1190. It was started by Chrtien but eventually finished by someone else.
 
It was an instant runaway Medieval literary success. Twenty years down the line there were trobadours complaining about the insane never-ending demand for more Grail-and-Arthur stuff at the courts of the day.LOL
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The legend was probably a medieval invention. In old Northern European legends stretching back to pre-christian times. There are several cups with magical qualities popping up in them (such as the cauldron of the Irish God The Dagda or the cup of the British King Bran). All seem to have the quality of bringing the dead back to life or healing by drinking from them. The cup King Arthur is searching for is almost certainly the cup of Bran not Jesus.
 
As with most other pagan legends and holy days, the medieval church converted by incorperating local mythos into their own.
 
 


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Well, I think the person coming closer to what the grail really is, must be American comic writer Hal Foster who, in Prince Valiant, claimed that it was the pursue of the good in your own heart, something like that.
 
However, most information that comes from Holy Blood, Holy Grails is not true, only based on legends or hoaxes, for instance the existence of Priory of Sion.
 
Personally I don't believe in the holy grail, at least not as an item of Christian lore connected to Jesus Christ. It appears way too late in Christian legends to make me believe in it.
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The historical  holy grail was never a person.  Nor was it an ornate cup.  Rather the holy grail was simply the cup that was readily available to Jesus at the Last Supper.

As Jesus ate the meal in the home of a moderatly wealthy person, the cup used by Christ could have been either ceramic or perhaps beaten or cast bronze.    I seriously doubt that it would have been a truly remarkable cup in regards to appereance (the owner was not truly wealthy and Jesus preferred modesty).   After the last supper, the cup was washed along with the 12 other similar appearing cups, placed in a cabinet and then discarded several years later. 
 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Grail
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holy_Blood_Holy_Grail
 
Since the publishing in 1982 of the controversial novel Holy Blood and the Holy Grail the Grail legend has captured the public imagination. Dan Browne ensured the controversy continued with The Da Vinci Code.
 
Everyone has their own ideas about what or who the grail may be and where it could be hidden.
 
Everyone from the Cathars to the modern day Freemasons have been suggested as having connections to the legend.
 
So what do you think? Fact or fiction? If fact where is it now? Is it possible that Jesus may have had descentants some of who are walking the earth today?
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