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Topic: Africa, Bible the untold truth Posted: 11-Dec-2007 at 13:48 |
My fustration comes more from American culture then international. I also am fustrated at Black Amercian for getting fat and lazy. So I has a black american put the blame on us for not taking care of us in the end
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Posted: 11-Dec-2007 at 02:43 |
I'd also like to see more stuff in here. I regret to say that I know almost nothing about African history. Spread some knowledge, folks!
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Posted: 11-Dec-2007 at 02:34 |
Well, if you want to discuss African matters, go ahead,
Put posts about the sculptures of Ife, the Wall of Eredo, the religious traditions of SS Africa, on Zimbabwe, on Madagascar, on the African Kingdom, on the development of Iron in Africa, on the Zulu battles against the British Empire, on the African arts and cubism, on the oral traditions of Africa, etc.
Go ahead, design those post and let's discuss them. I bet many people will be interested in those matters if expossed correctly.
I don't do, just because it cost me a lot of effort to keep alive the history of the Americas section. Otherwise it would have as few visits as this part or the South East Asia and the Pacific part of the forum.
Go ahead, do it, and preach with the example.
Good luck and I follow you.
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Posted: 11-Dec-2007 at 02:25 |
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Well, how many units of Amerindian history includes the United States curriculum? How many about history of South East Asia? How many about Islamic culture? Or China? (Notice I am not asking about Hispanic culture at all ) |
Some. Not enough.
Agree that you have to include the history of other places of the world as well, but why to put the strenght only in Africa? |
Did I say anyone should do that? I didn't. This is the African history forum, I was pointing out a lack of education on this subject. Of course there are other subjects not given their due.
Pushing African studies against Europeans in the curriculum, just as a social justice cause, won't make the trick, and could backfire, as it has already happened in some places. |
This is not the first time you have accused me of some nefarious "social justice cause." I only want what any reasonable historian should want, a fair and balanced view of history. Look at the posts in the AE forum. Europe and Asia and the Americas receive many posts each day sparking debate on specific nations or cultures or events in history. Given the choice I would not take any of those away (well, apart from the flame wars maybe). But all anyone in the African forum seems to want to discuss is "should we bother knowing anything about Africa?" I don't blame AE. I blame the education system.
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Posted: 10-Dec-2007 at 16:50 |
I agree with Joe on many major points. African history is largely ignored in Western curriculum. It is indeed a vibrant and wonderful history, and made many accomplishments. But to claim that the Greeks were just copying the Egyptians implies that the Greeks were not responsible for their own significant cultural developments, which is just not true. While there was a lot of cultural diffusion between the Mediterranean, the Near East and North Africa at this time, these cultures all developed their own individual 'personalities' and while inter-related, were also largely independent of one another. For example, Egypt was a land ruled by God-Kings, with no proto-democratic slants whatsoever, yet in Greece, kings were cast-out in favor of oligarchies, aristocracies, and democratic systems of government.
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Posted: 10-Dec-2007 at 16:17 |
Originally posted by joeamonroe
So your telling me that in your country they give Africans their just credit for what they have given to the world that the greeks claim they came up with or is it just a phrase saying they took classes in African lets move on next subject |
As I say before, in my country we give the RIGHT credit to each people in the world according to theirs merits, and also theirs relation to us.
Nobody is forgotten, but nobody is overstimated either.
By the way, do you have any proof that Greeks didn't invented:
Axiomatic geometry,
The first theaters,
The first differential gears,
The western (Greek) alphabet,
The first chapter in physics (hydrostatics, Archimedes),
Differential and integral calculus,
A mathematical model of the universe (Ptolmey),
The roots of classical literature (Illiad, Odyssey),
Rational phylosophy (Jonia)
Musical arithmetic theory,
The trirremes,
Concave mirrors,
The steam machine,
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If you got proofs they just copied those matters on other, let me know.
That would be an amazing scientific discovery
Edited by pinguin - 10-Dec-2007 at 16:24
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Posted: 10-Dec-2007 at 16:04 |
So your telling me that in your country they give Africans their just credit for what they have given to the world that the greeks claim they came up with or is it just a phrase saying they took classes in African lets move on next subject
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Posted: 10-Dec-2007 at 13:38 |
Originally posted by joeamonroe
While your right, we need to know everyone's history but first we need to let the world know how important Africans have been to the world and our history didn't start during or after slavery. |
The world already know the relative importance of Africans before the times of slavery. The world also know that Africa is a huge continent, and that not all the regions had the same level of development.
That's nothing new under the sun for people that knows world history.
Edited by pinguin - 10-Dec-2007 at 13:39
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Posted: 10-Dec-2007 at 13:37 |
Originally posted by joeamonroe
the one thing you fail to say is that the greeks where educated in African "EGYPT" for some reason everyone seems to forget to add this part.
Also African predates Greece |
Greeks not only studied in Egypt, a country they respected a lot, but also in Babilon. Besides, they had as teachers nothing less than the famous Phoenicians, and theirs heritage go deep into Crete cilivization as well ... All of them predate Greece. No African monopoly on here.
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Posted: 10-Dec-2007 at 13:15 |
While your right, we need to know everyone's history but first we need to let the world know how important Africans have been to the world and our history didn't start during or after slavery.
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Posted: 10-Dec-2007 at 12:40 |
The miseducation of the NEGRO by Carter G Woodson good book to read if you haven't.
My issue now as I educate myself on my heritage (Africa) Im disappointed that blacks in USA stopped teaching our history (Not All). Their attitude is like we dont really need to know what happen, its not important now, why should we?
Finally the churches are more concerned as they say with saving souls in death then they are while we are alive
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Posted: 10-Dec-2007 at 12:31 |
the one thing you fail to say is that the greeks where educated in African "EGYPT" for some reason everyone seems to forget to add this part.
Also African predates Greece
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Posted: 09-Dec-2007 at 07:32 |
History is taught insofar as it affects the target audience. With scant regard to anything else. In school I was taught everything about the Greeks and Romans distant civilsations, since they have a direct bearing on my country, the Greeks ruled here for many centuries, there capital is now our capital, Roman law influenced the laws of my country, be they via the British Law or via Islamic law. While we hear scant little about say Chinese history, despite the fact we share a land border with them. Reason Chinese interaction was not as importanat. Perhaps one hundred years from now it will be different.
In Bertrand Russels, "A History of Western Philiosphy", he has a whole section on Islamic/Arab/Persian philiosphy. Not because he was being politically correct, but since these civilisations being next to the western ones, have influenced and have been influenced by the west. On the other hand he wrote next to nothing about the "orient". Not because he thought it was inferior (he found it fascinating) but because it was not stricty relevent.
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Posted: 08-Dec-2007 at 22:16 |
Well, how many units of Amerindian history includes the United States curriculum? How many about history of South East Asia? How many about Islamic culture? Or China? (Notice I am not asking about Hispanic culture at all )
There is two matters going on here going on. One is the historical importance of Greeks that is undeniable. And the second is the lack of knowledge of the people of the Anglo Saxon world about the world at large.
Agree that you have to include the history of other places of the world as well, but why to put the strenght only in Africa? I believe it would be a lot more practical to teach the history of all the tribal people around the world, and of all the non-western civilizations as well. That would really show the full picture of mankind to students.
Pushing African studies against Europeans in the curriculum, just as a social justice cause, won't make the trick, and could backfire, as it has already happened in some places.
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Posted: 08-Dec-2007 at 21:40 |
Originally posted by pinguin
The fact is people admires Greece because its merits, not its color of skin. |
True, but, there are also many people who will DEvalue the merits of anyone whose skin is not the same colour as the Greeks. As regards education systems: it is natural to include much on Greek and Roman and Western European history into the education of a member of a Western culture (the US, for example). The Greek>Roman>British>American chain of cultural influences is not imaginary. Though really it should go Mesopotamian>Greek>Roman>British>American. The real problem comes when some people, and I include many educators in this, assume that that's the only chain of influence that matters. Ethnically many Americans have entered this chain from other parts of the world (including Africa), there have been many many cross-pollenizations into this chain from outside it, and perhaps most importantly, ignoring the history of any country other than Greece, Italy, Britain, and the US will lead to a worldview profoundly skewed and even potentially dangerous in a rapidly shrinking world. Did you know that the English curriculum includes at least one unit on West African history as required material? I don't know if all teachers in England actually teach about it, but they're supposed to. Canada has no such requirement. I don't know if the U.S. does. It ought to.
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Posted: 08-Dec-2007 at 03:17 |
The fact is, Greek history is central to understanding the development of the world.
Greeks contributed to the West with the following:
(1) The system of writing.
(2) Method of phylosophy.
(3) Axiomatic geometry (Greek invention)
(4) Abstract science (Greek invention)
(5) Pneumatics, Hydraulic, Pumps, Differential gears and thousand of other parts and pieces that are in the foundation of mechanics.
(6) First mechanical and mathematical model, and predictive as well, of the movement of the planets.
(7) The Iliad, Odyssey and most of the Classic works of the Western Civilization, and the oldest theatre recorded, are Greek.
(8) Diagnostic and the origins of rational medicine.
(9) Democracy
(10) Basic aestetics and principles of architecture.
(11) Hidrostatics, the first chapter of mathematical physics.
(12) The first studies of integral and differential calculus by Archimedes
(13) The first study of the conics by Appolonious.
(14) The first analitical study of Grammar
And that's only the beginning of a list that has several hundreds of entries, were the Greeks lead the world.
The fact is people admires Greece because its merits, not its color of skin.
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Posted: 08-Dec-2007 at 01:44 |
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ask yourself why African history has been hidden to the world in most
schools around the world and Greek history has been made to be the
beginning.
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The thing is is that Greek history has been seen as part of the succession to the modern era Greek>Roman>French>British>American whereas African history has mainly been relegated to the Ancient Egyptians in our school system, because Africa has not contributed nearly as much to our culture as those other groups (not to say they haven't contributed at all, just not as much as the Greeks for instance).
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Africans have contributed so much to all civilization to the point that
if you removed us from the face of the earth most knowledge would leave
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Well I'd say fathering the Human race removing Africans would remove humanity . However I'd disagree with that culturally as East Asia lived effectively outside of the Influence of the Western world. So China would still have lost little if Africans disappeared from history. I do agree though without Africa's contributions to history the world would be less than what it is today, but the same can be said about any culture really.
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Posted: 06-Dec-2007 at 20:58 |
First ask yourself why African history has been hidden to the world in most schools around the world and Greek history has been made to be the beginning. Then you need to look inside to see if the slave trade of Africans has screwed your perception to the point when you read African literature written by Africans can you effectively agree on an unbiased stand point.
Finally Africans have contributed so much to all civilization to the point that if you removed us from the face of the earth most knowledge would leave with us
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Posted: 06-Dec-2007 at 17:16 |
the problem I've found is that most of us love money and not each other anymore. I had a conversation with a young lady in which I tried to press apon her to see how her views impact others as well even if they don't believe what you do. Your right many have become so convicted in their views they can't see how they have become extremist as well. My view is that we all love the same GOD but we go about it in different way. I spent over 5 years in various countries due to my military service and the one thing I took from that is a love for others culture and way of life. I think we all have the answer if we take the time to listen with a open heart and mind. Whether Jesus is black or white or anything else the one thing he did do was love everyone no matter what
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Posted: 06-Dec-2007 at 00:34 |
Originally posted by longshanks31
The bible is like tequila |
At least tequila is tasty.
Superb critique to Janus, by the way.
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