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Topic: Scythians Posted: 31-Mar-2007 at 15:36 |
I KNOW THE SCYTHIANS, BECAUSE MY FAMILY NAME IS DERIVED FROM THAT TRIBE. I AM FROM NORTH PAKISTAN, AND THERE ARE MANY GENERATIONS OF SCYTHIAN TRIBES SCATTERED THROUGHOUT PERSIA, AFGHANISTAN AND NORTHERN PAKISTAN REGIONS.
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Posted: 31-Mar-2007 at 15:34 |
THE SCYTHIANS MIGRATED ORIGINALLY FROM SIBERIA (WIKIPEDIA.COM) AND THEY LATER ON INVADED THE SOUTHERN REGIONS WHICH THEREFORE CONTRIBUTES TO THE PERSIAN IN THEIR BLOOD. PLEASE DO NOT CONFUSE THEM AS BEING iRANIAN, THEY WERE MIGRANTS FROM NORTH SIBERIA.
STUDY PROPERLY BEFORE POSTING REPLIES.
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Posted: 24-Mar-2007 at 17:50 |
Originally posted by sirius99
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We do not need to consider ourselves white because we have contributed to the world more than many nation around us.
Oh hasn't everyone, ask any hardcore nationalist and he/she'll tell you exactly the same, just instead of Iranian they'll be another nation Sorry but that was a very silly and childish comment.
Most Persians I know arn't particularly "white", standing next to an Englishmen they look Arab or Indian, most Persians I know have pretty dark skin. Infact the Iran Turks I know in general have lighter skin. |
Maybe you hang out with Khuzestanis. They are Arabs and some mixed with Persian. They are darker than normal Persian. I can tell you I have seen the same degree dark Azaris in baku and Kayseri, too. |
ahwaz is in Khuzestan wright? I knew a persian guy from there and he didnt look like you've described them :) Even for joking i called him "arab" or "tazy" (this ones history is long to tell) he gone mad :D
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Posted: 24-Mar-2007 at 15:12 |
Hi, i was searching about Scythian suits, and found here. I like your topics. Moderator is right, it doesnt matter who we are. Because the most important thing in our lives is to die in one day. All of us has the same things, we are from the same origin, humanbeings. And we are going to go to the same place, ground. On the other hand, cultures are important in history. In the last 200 years mostly western people searched old history. So their ideas are very different, we can say that their opions are little selfish, and politic. Most of the scientists are thinking everything from their own angle. So science must be for science, not for other purposes. We have to search and learn everything for science, not for politic orientation. Otherwise we lie. Or it is not a history science, it will be a official history like Kurdish history. Then we may look at to history in the right way. You can not erase historical realities by accepting they are absent. Culture is important, genealogy also. We must notice history in cultural angle. And we must accept that everything about our ancestries are logical acceptance. Who can say 50 step ancestries? :)
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Posted: 20-Mar-2007 at 18:22 |
Exactly, we like each other no matter from which ethnicity background, which color, and have which religion. We are Iranian and proud of that.
Edited by sirius99 - 20-Mar-2007 at 23:09
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Posted: 20-Mar-2007 at 17:52 |
Iranian do not have the inferiority problem, we look like arabs or Indian, so?
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Posted: 20-Mar-2007 at 17:09 |
Well a few of them are from Shiraz but one girl is from Isfahan and she has light skin.
Your right some Turks are pretty dark aswell.
Basically basing a nation upon a certain colour is wrong, there are always exceptions.
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Posted: 20-Mar-2007 at 16:05 |
Originally posted by Bulldog
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We do not need to consider ourselves white because we have contributed to the world more than many nation around us.
Oh hasn't everyone, ask any hardcore nationalist and he/she'll tell you exactly the same, just instead of Iranian they'll be another nation Sorry but that was a very silly and childish comment.
Most Persians I know arn't particularly "white", standing next to an Englishmen they look Arab or Indian, most Persians I know have pretty dark skin. Infact the Iran Turks I know in general have lighter skin. |
Maybe you hang out with Khuzestanis. They are Arabs and some mixed with Persian. They are darker than normal Persian. I can tell you I have seen the same degree dark Azaris in baku and Kayseri, too.
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Posted: 20-Mar-2007 at 14:56 |
Shinai
We do not need to consider ourselves white because we have contributed to the world more than many nation around us.
Oh hasn't everyone, ask any extremist nationalist and he/she'll tell you exactly the same, just instead of Iranian they'll be another nation Sorry but that was a very silly and childish comment.
Most Persians I know arn't particularly "white", standing next to an Englishmen they look Arab or Indian, most Persians I know have pretty dark skin. Infact the Iran Turks I know in general have lighter skin.
Edited by Bulldog - 20-Mar-2007 at 19:31
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Posted: 19-Mar-2007 at 19:44 |
Originally posted by shinai
We do not need to consider ourselves white because we have contributed to the world more than many nation around us. |
Show me the scale of "regional comparative contribution to the world" better known as RCCTTW...
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Posted: 19-Mar-2007 at 00:35 |
We don't consider ourselve white european but simply white even if a lot of us will pass a european white.
@ Kipcak
Your comment about Iranians is wrong, it is just like saying turks are a mixture of Chinese and Indians.
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Posted: 18-Mar-2007 at 20:08 |
Originally posted by Kipcak
Originally posted by the_oz
Originally posted by Nick
Originally posted by EGETRK
sakas were turkic... |
Egeturk we still havn't found the root of Turks and you think Scythains were Turks????
All we know about Turks is their massive expantion during central Asian Massive waves of movement less then 1700 years, and the second Turkish movement known as Mongols, and then 3rd one into modern Turkey and intermarriages with Europeans (And with Native Aryanics)
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you still havent found the root of Turks or you didnt want to learn?
root of turks is written here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orhon_inscriptions
sorry for disturbing you white aryanic friend
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Aryanic friend ? :) since when iranians are aryan. as all we know they are arabic, indian mixture who consider they are actually white :D
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First of all We, Iranians, do not know ourselves white, And second aryans were not white, they were central asian as we are now. We do not need to consider ourselves white because we have contributed to the world more than many nation around us.Do you have any problem whith that we are aryan? I donot have any problem with you being a Turk even you may have a light skin.
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Posted: 18-Mar-2007 at 15:44 |
Originally posted by the_oz
Originally posted by Nick
Originally posted by EGETRK
sakas were turkic... |
Egeturk we still havn't found the root of Turks and you think Scythains were Turks????
All we know about Turks is their massive expantion during central Asian Massive waves of movement less then 1700 years, and the second Turkish movement known as Mongols, and then 3rd one into modern Turkey and intermarriages with Europeans (And with Native Aryanics)
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you still havent found the root of Turks or you didnt want to learn?
root of turks is written here:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orhon_inscriptions
sorry for disturbing you white aryanic friend
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Aryanic friend ? :) since when iranians are aryan. as all we know they are arabic, indian mixture who consider they are actually white :D
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Posted: 25-Feb-2007 at 18:43 |
the term iranic is diffrent form what Iranian are today.Iranian peopel are mostly assimilated by Iranic Tribes.
When It has been said that the scythian were Iranic it does not mean they remaind Iranic.Their nomadic culture was so close to the Turkic tribes so they mixed and assimilated by the Turkic tribes.
Their race should not be diffrent too much from these day Turks.
Scythian took the caucase , and Khorasan pathes to reach to Turkisatn, Azerbaijan, and Anatolia.
Oghuz peopel took the same way. Their social life was very simialr,
I guess after scythian peopel called them Turks
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Posted: 23-Feb-2007 at 11:15 |
"Egeturk we still havn't found the root of Turks and you think Scythains were Turks???? "
You don't found,but it is already found by many Turkologists including Peter B. Golden.
You just don't want to accept and you always lie about history because of your ideals.
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Posted: 22-Feb-2007 at 04:34 |
Hi!
The scythians were the iranian nomad tribes who lived north from Persia, and from the territ. of Mezopotamia, in Mezopotamia, in the Pontus steppe, In the Ukranian steppe, in Moldavia, some of them in Walachia and in East-Hungary, from the 9-8 Cent. BC to the 3-1 cent. BC (in different regions in different cent-s, and certenly the people survived the collaps of their tribes and states, and lived after that under other rulers, tribes etc)
All the others were nomads , who were living a scythian way of live. They were turcic (not 'turk', taht is the name of the 550's-740's tribe union leaded by ogus tribes (f.e. turges, on ok etc), paleo siberian, ugrian, bajkalian, mongolian etc. Not scythian originated. Bad english, I know, but I hope it is clear what I mean.
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Posted: 21-Feb-2007 at 13:52 |
Originally posted by Nick
Originally posted by EGETRK
sakas were turkic... |
Egeturk we still havn't found the root of Turks and you think Scythains were Turks????
All we know about Turks is their massive expantion during central Asian Massive waves of movement less then 1700 years, and the second Turkish movement known as Mongols, and then 3rd one into modern Turkey and intermarriages with Europeans (And with Native Aryanics)
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you still havent found the root of Turks or you didnt want to learn? root of turks is written here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orhon_inscriptionssorry for disturbing you white aryanic friend
Edited by the_oz - 21-Feb-2007 at 13:54
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Posted: 08-Feb-2007 at 22:04 |
Originally posted by sirius99
First of all, I don't accept your idea about sistan belong to pashtu speaker and second your idea about khorasani peaple were pashtu people at one time. it is totaly wrong becuze those area you mentioned were always under farsi speaker domination and pashtu speakers came from multan to central afghanistan around 250-300 years ago. beside one of you afghan users mentioned before that pashtu is not a race but a confedrasion of diffrent etnicities who speak pashtu language. |
beside one of you afghan users mentioned before that pashtu is not a race but a confedrasion of diffrent etnicities who speak pashtu language. |
That may have been me. anyways its true pashtu is a language, and pashtuns are pashtu speakers, (It should be more like Pashtuwan). Just like how we say persian and count persian as an ethnic, but its not really an ethnic, same goes for Pashtu.
now notice i said "Afghan" not pashtun.
it is totaly wrong becuze those area you mentioned were always under farsi speaker domination |
yeah so?? Even right now all of Afghanistan is under and was always under Farsi Domination. In fact Farsi was created in Afghanistan. SO they also speak the DAri "Real FArsi" language (language of Rumi)
First of all, I don't accept your idea about sistan belong to pashtu speaker and second your idea about khorasani peaple were pashtu people at one time. |
My friend i really can't make you accept anything everyone has their own point of views.
I think i already broken the rule by jumbing to different topics, if you want we can discuss this in another section. You might know something that i may not know so we can share ideas, But not in here.
Thanks boddy
Edited by Nick - 08-Feb-2007 at 23:25
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Posted: 08-Feb-2007 at 21:29 |
First of all, I don't accept your idea about sistan belong to pashtu speaker and second your idea about khorasani peaple were pashtu people at one time. it is totaly wrong becuze those area you mentioned were always under farsi speaker domination and pashtu speakers came from multan to central afghanistan around 250-300 years ago. beside one of you afghan users mentioned before that pashtu is not a race but a confedrasion of diffrent etnicities who speak pashtu language.
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Posted: 08-Feb-2007 at 20:39 |
Originally posted by sirius99
Give me a good source for last map. that sounds very silly. whoever paint this map is uneducated. this map hasn't all Iranian provinces and it is like a guy just used paint program to draw a map. |
http://www.tarjomeh.com/index.htm Tarjomeh Localization Ltd as an international Farsi translation provider has a Dutch company as its mother company. They have staff from Iran to Iraq etc etc
Sounds silly LOL maybe but they're not bad, they have considered the history of the region.
Have you ever asked yourself why does iran calls one of their province as "sistan/Balochistan" its like two provinces right, w'll yes its two province combined. South are the balochis (Western Iranian who came to that Area).
Althought the historians have considered Sakastan/sistan to be much bigger but ever since that south area is taken by balochis, it wouldn't be right to count as Sistan.
Here is the map of later Sakastan during sussanian time. Note that Sistani is pashtu not Balochi.
BTW When Afghans took over Kandahar, then Kandaharis claimed Sistan as their own. In fact many wars did take place. Anyhow later the Qajers allowed sistanis to go to Afghanistan, Amullah Khan of Afg recorded 39,000, even today if you go to karachi you would find Shepari tribe who claim to be from sistan. In fact sistan is always mention in Afghan tribal songs along with Khorasan. Anyways you get my point.
And the reason Eastern Khorasanis have been coloured as Green (Dari) is because Eastern Khorasanis were Pashtun at one time, And Pashtuns speak Dari. Not different from Afghans. The Number of native Afghan-Iranian reported by iranian government was always low. During the Shah's time they were numbered as 290,000 but current government count the number as 3000, according to other sources (Iranian Sunnis) the number of Afghans are as high as 3.5 million in Khorasan alone including 2 million Afghan refugees it could reach 5 million. So anyways that's political/religous we're not going there.
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