Practice Game Diplomacy 1600--DipAE02
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Topic: Practice Game Diplomacy 1600--DipAE02
Posted By: hugoestr
Subject: Practice Game Diplomacy 1600--DipAE02
Date Posted: 19-Oct-2005 at 11:31
This is the practice game for the benefit of new players so that they can understand how to move and the pace of the game. We will play one complete year, from Spring 1600 to Spring 1601. At that year we will start the game with the real country designations. Realpolitik If you don't have Realpolitik, you can download it here: http://realpolitik.sourceforge.net/ - http://realpolitik.sourceforge.net/ Think of this program as a boardgame set that enforces the rules. It is very important to have; it will help you understand the rules much faster. You need to install the 1600 variant. The RP files for the 1600 variant: http://www.graue-substanz.net/ressourcen/downloads/1600_gSModv1.1.zip - 1600 RP files Extract the files to the 'Variants' folder within the Realpolitik directory. If you need help using the program, don't hesitate to ask. I am currently preparing some tutorials for the program, and you will see them here soon. Country-player table This is countries' designations for the practice game. Ottoman Empire Emperor Barbarossa Poland glce2003 Denmark JaliscoLancer England Kilikya Russia Maju Habsburg Mixcoatl Sweden morticia France Rider Spain thediplomat Order Ettiquete Try to send orders at the time that you receive the results of the last turn. This will keep the game going and make it more enjoyable for you. You can always send another set of order before the deadline. If you do so, make it obvious to me that they are a second order by putting in the subject line of the email: "set number #" with the number of the set there. I will use whatever set number is bigger to process your order. How to write orders Each turn starts with an order. Write the order of the moves of your units in the following way: <Unit Type> <Starting Location>-<target Location> Army Castille-Navarre To hold your army or fleet in place write <Unit Type> <Starting Location> HOLD Fleet Gascony HOLD To support a move write <Unit Type> S[UPPORT] <supported Unit Type starting location>-<target location> Army Novgorod S Army Moscow-Tula Feel free to use abreviation: A-army, F-fleet, H-hold, S-support. To get the proper abreviations for spaces on the board, please consult the information in Realpolitik by clicking Window->info. Missing player rules To make the move of the missing player more fair, I want everyone to send me your desired moves to the Ottoman Empire as if you controled it. I will count each order as a vote. In case of a tie, I will randomly select the move of the most popular orders. If I only get one order for Ottoman Empire, I will use it. So it is in your best interest to send Ottoman orders too 
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Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 19-Oct-2005 at 11:40
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Deadline for first orders:
OCT 24 8:00 -5 GMT. That is 1:00 PM GMT 8:00 AM U.S. Eastern Time 5:00 PM U.S. Pacific Time That is 8:00 local time , U.S. Eastern Time.
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Posted By: Kilikya
Date Posted: 20-Oct-2005 at 08:30
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i see your deadline is sunday...it won't be a problem now but i am always up in the yayla on weekends and never connect |
Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 20-Oct-2005 at 09:41
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Then after this turn I will move it into the week ------------- |
Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 20-Oct-2005 at 10:16
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Why did you give so long deadlines for the practice game? 2 days per
turn should suffice. We just need to find out how to move the units and
so on, no diplomacy expected.
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Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 20-Oct-2005 at 10:22
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It was because of the weekend. I have access to computers during the week ------------- |
Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 20-Oct-2005 at 14:09
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Well. it is just two/three quick turns with just game cards moving and nothing else.. i don't believe that any battles will occur. ------------- |
Posted By: morticia
Date Posted: 20-Oct-2005 at 15:40
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Good Day:
rider wrote: ".. i don't believe that any battles will occur." Then, I propose that we create some battles so I can get a better feel for when to support and/or convoy, etcetera.... I am still a little unclear as to how or when you get to build an army or a fleet. I think maybe re-creating those situations could help me. Just a suggestion! ------------- "Morty Trust in God: She will provide." -- Emmeline Pankhurst |
Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 20-Oct-2005 at 19:20
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Hopefully the year-round micro-game will have most of these situations.
We will definitively move around and build at in the winter turn.
Supports are likely to happen but if you want to try order the
following: A Finland - Ingria A Estonia supports A Finland Ingria I can then order A Novgorod - Ingria and you win the battle (2 vs. 1). This is a good example of support. Convoys are less likely to happen. But it is up to the players that have fleets. In any case they can't happen before the fall, because fleets must be in sea provinces to be able to convoy. Order F Stockholm-Baltic Sea, and I'll tell you how to convoy in the fall. Retreats are another thing that may not happen in the first year. When a defending unit is defeated by a stronger attack, it is declared to be dislodged and it must retreat to any adjacent vacant province to which it can move normally (no convoys, fleets must follow coasts/seas, armies can't enter seas). Aditionally that province must have not been the scenario of a battle in that turn. When a unit can't retreat it is automatically disbanded. You can also voluntarily disband it in this case. The GM will provide for special short retreat turns when needed. -------------
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Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 20-Oct-2005 at 19:42
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More technicalities on supports and convoys: Support (S): A support is cut when the unit ordered to support is attacked by another unit, diferent from the one against which the support is intended. You can't cut support provided by your own units nor you can order valid support against your own units. Convoy (C): The convoy has many simmilarities with the support order. But also some notable diferences. Like when supporting, a fleet convoying does not move. Also, as with support, there must be two coherent orders: one for the convoying fleet and another one for the convoyed army (fleets can't be convoyed). The originalities of the convoy are the following:
F North Sea convoys A Scotland-Morocco F English Channel convoys A Scotland-Morocco F Mid Atlantic Ocean convoys A Scotland-Morocco A Scotland-Morocco
F English Channel convoys A Normandy-Spanish Netherlands ... means that A Normandy is making a sea trip into Antwerp and not a land march into Brussels. This can have some odd efects but it is very rare to find it. Most normally the fleet would be supporting and not convoying. -------------
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Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 21-Oct-2005 at 07:58
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I'm never sure if a fleet convoying an army also supports it? That is really three questions. Does it support automatically (not unreasonable)? Does it support if ordered to 'convoy and support'? Can it not support at all?
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Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 21-Oct-2005 at 08:05
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I believe it can't support at all, because it is basically jsut transporting and the fleet never leaves the province as in supporting the fleet is inglined to move to the province to support it. But fro convoying to work, morticia, you should aswell know that: A ?????Bar???? - Stockholm F Stockholm - Baltic Sea or else it will not work and on the next turn: A Stockholm - Prussia F Baltic Sea convoys A Stocholm - Prussia. ------------- |
Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 21-Oct-2005 at 11:09
The last one: one unit can only do one thing at a time and any unit
can only do one of these four things: hold (default), move, support or (eXclussive OR) convoy (only fleets). If you order a unit to do two diferent things it will do nothing (misordered). So, no: convoying fleets cannot support in any case. -------------
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Posted By: morticia
Date Posted: 21-Oct-2005 at 11:14
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Thank you, Maju, for the thorough explanation. I will follow your recommendations.
Thanks Rider. Now, when you say order: A Stockholm - Prussia F Baltic Sea convoys A Stocholm - Prussia does that mean that Sweden will then have a fleet and an army in Prussia? Assuming another country is in Prussia or has ordered an army to Prussia, then nobody moves? ------------- "Morty Trust in God: She will provide." -- Emmeline Pankhurst |
Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 21-Oct-2005 at 11:18
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If it works out, then your army moves to prussia, and your fleet stays at Baltic Sea. If another country does the same thing the nnothing will happen. If you would convoy it to Livonia then on the next turn you could attack with the army prussia, supporting the army with your navy. ------------- |
Posted By: morticia
Date Posted: 21-Oct-2005 at 11:30
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Got it! thanks ------------- "Morty Trust in God: She will provide." -- Emmeline Pankhurst |
Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 21-Oct-2005 at 15:43
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Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 22-Oct-2005 at 02:32
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Well, that yes, but it isn't totally connected to the scenario now. ------------- |
Posted By: morticia
Date Posted: 24-Oct-2005 at 00:21
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what is and how do you "blitz"?
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Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 24-Oct-2005 at 02:14
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Well, I have no idea what it is in the game, but I believe that it is in the form of some quick attack plan. It must be a strategy as there are four different types of moves only (convoy, support, move, hold) ------------- |
Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 24-Oct-2005 at 10:43
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Two annoucements. First I have two orders missing. I will try to contact those two people who failed to send their orders, and I will extend the deadline to tomorrow, but I will post the results as soon as I get the orders from them.
Second, Emperor Barbarossa leaves the game, we need another player. In the mean time, we will keep voting the moves of Ottoman Empire. ------------- |
Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 24-Oct-2005 at 14:53
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a1) linebackers and defensive backs charge through the offensive line a2) when you think you can sack the quarterback b1) heavy armoured divisions rush forward with tactical air support without waiting for the infantry b2) when you have sufficient armour and air superiority. What either of those have to do with Diplomacy I have no idea |
Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 24-Oct-2005 at 14:58
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Well, it is most probably a off-opic question or soem formationo of quick attack... most probably created when your armies easily overrun helf of the enemy in a year or destroy enemy armies quickly...???? ------------- |
Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 25-Oct-2005 at 14:47
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Results for Spring:
Moves: Denmark: A Jutland, no move received A Zealand, no move received A Scania, no move received F Vestlandet, no move received England: F Ireland - North Atlantic Ocean A Wales - Cornwall F London - English Channel France: A Paris - Champagne F Gascony - Navarre A Burgundy - France Comte A Provence - Savoy HabsburgEmpire: A Bohemia - Bavaria A Austria - Venice (*Fails*) A Croatia - Western Hungary OttomanEmpire: A Egypt - Syria A Anatolia - Armenia F Constantinople - Greece A Greece - Illyria Poland: A White Russia - Livonia A Warsaw - Volhynia A Cracow - Transylvania Russia: A Voronezj - Tula (*Bounce*) A Moscow - Tula (*Bounce*) A Novgorod - Ingria (*Fails*) Spain: A Flanders - Lorraine A Naples - Rome A Castille Hold F Granada - Portugal Sweden: A Finland - Ingria A Estonia Supports A Finland - Ingria F Stockholm - Baltic Sea A Bergsl*gen - Stockholm Movement in 1600 
Map of the Beginning of Fall, 1600 
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Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 25-Oct-2005 at 15:18
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It seems to me that holding now in Spain is quite useless. Much wiser would have been fleet to western mediterranean and Castile-portugal so you would have gotten one chance to get North Africa and you would have gotten four new centers.' 'I am wonderfully surprised as Poland can get up to three centers whilst i thought only two were availiable. ------------- |
Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 25-Oct-2005 at 21:13
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The Tzar demands the inmediate retreat of the Swedish forces in Ingria.
We have to build there our Winter Palace, else three centuries from
now, the peasants won't be able to take it, found the Soviet Union,
etc. We appeal to Our cousin of Stockholm to consider the unpredictable
consequences that this unprovoked agression will have in the space-time
continuum. What will happen if the Soviet Union is founded in Swedish
lands. Maybe the USA will be in Norway (hence changing its name to USN)
and the Cold War will be even colder and Ho Chi Min will be born in
Lappland and all may end with Santa Claus having to emigrate to Jamaica
and herding igoanas instead of rheins. Do you imagine a Rastafarian Santa?! We need Ingria to build Our Winter Palace and restore coherence to future history. We hope that Our Swedish cousin understands the seriousness and trascendence of this issue and retreats promtly from Our province of Ingria. In exchange we will gift Alaska to Sweden as soon as we have reached it, in the hope that the distortion of the future will be smaller in this case, due to the lack of any Winter Palace in that faraway territory. Though it may affect a sitcom or two. -------------
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Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 25-Oct-2005 at 22:20
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Good news!
Thegeneral is taking over Ottoman Empire for the practice game, and Poland in the real game. Thanks! ------------- |
Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 25-Oct-2005 at 22:23
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More news:
I got a message from morticia saying that he will not be able to make this turn, due to some circumstances that make it very difficult to get online. I am hoping that he will be able to join us back soon. In the mean time, please submit orders for Sweden for the next turn. ------------- |
Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 26-Oct-2005 at 02:06
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Well, you might think them yourselves but not order the fleet into prussia. Maju, i am practically sure that the winter palace can be built by Swedish instead for in this era they were better architects... ------------- |
Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 26-Oct-2005 at 06:50
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Polish intelligence reports that heads are rolling among the Russian general staff after the confusion that resulted in the failure of Russian armies to advance on Poland. Morale in the armies is reported to be at a low level as a result. Meanwhile the Polish High Command reassures the people of the eastern regions that they are confident of their ability to considerably reinforce local garrisons in the near future.
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Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 26-Oct-2005 at 07:23
Morticia is she (I'm pretty sure). -------------
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Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 26-Oct-2005 at 07:29
Ehm... Tula is Russian territory, do not start making any unfounded claims in our land now, please. We were making a defensive maneouvre and some military exercesises to stretch our muscles. You know that of Red and Blue and let's see who takes the hill using only fake ammo. Both armies were so efficient that it eneded up in a tie with red blue and Russian flag waving proudly side by side on top of the hill. For the fall, we have planned some more realistic exercises in the south, where Tatars are becoming a public order problem that must be solved. -------------
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Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 26-Oct-2005 at 10:57
If this is the case, I am sorry  . I am just using the defeault pronoun, which still happens to be "he." Sexist? Yes, but there is nothing better available that is not cumbersome
Still, I think that that is something that Morticia will have to settle. ------------- |
Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 26-Oct-2005 at 11:40
You may always use 'it' but then someone might smite you to dust ... or laugh as hell. ------------- |
Posted By: morticia
Date Posted: 26-Oct-2005 at 16:58
Hey...I heard all of that!!! 
Hugo...you can change the default pronoun to "SHE" because I am, in fact, a female species! Thank you , Maju, for recalling that!
Okay, I'm back in the game. I no longer have any problems login in. However, I'm not used to building armies, just Barbie's poolhouse (and that was a mission!), hence, all my (probably what you all consider mundane) questions....
So, now, let's get back to the game: Rider...why should Sweden not convoy to Prussia. That was going to be my next move...convoy my stockholm army with my fleet in Baltic Sea into Prussia...isn't that a good convoy move? Maju...I now see that your move nto ingria failed because I supported my finland army into Ingria.(am I clear so far?) Now, that means my army is in Ingria. Correct? And now you want me to leave it because..........(fill in the blank please) I don't think I want to give you a winter palace there!!! So what the next strategy move? Do I detect a hint of a possible alliance?!!
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Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 26-Oct-2005 at 17:03
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I am so glad that you can participate again, Morticia! ------------- |
Posted By: TheDiplomat
Date Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 06:09
I am glad as well ------------- ARDA:The best Turkish diplomat ever! |
Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 07:39
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My feelings are mixed Not really though |
Posted By: TheDiplomat
Date Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 08:53
I know whatch you mean ------------- ARDA:The best Turkish diplomat ever! |
Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 09:24
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I don't know the Swedish provinces, I thoguht that there was a border just below Stockholm. ------------- |
Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 27-Oct-2005 at 15:17
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I am missing one order. Please send me a mail with it by tomorrow at 9:00 -5 GMT.
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Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 28-Oct-2005 at 17:47
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I am still missing the order, and I am trying to work out some arrangement with the player.
I will publish the results on Monday morning. ------------- |
Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 29-Oct-2005 at 11:14
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Jalisco Lancer is officially out of the game. Until we get a replacement, we will vote his moves in the real game. I will move his units in the practice game.
I will start the real game next week. ------------- |
Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 29-Oct-2005 at 11:24
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Do we have an adjudication?
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Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 30-Oct-2005 at 08:12
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Could we have a final list of the players/countries/e-mail addresses? (Please?)
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Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 30-Oct-2005 at 11:08
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We don't have one player i believe... ------------- |
Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 30-Oct-2005 at 13:44
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Yes, we are missing one.
And we will have an adjudication and winter builds for the practice game. I meant to include this in my last letter, but I somehow didn't. Once we are done with the practice group, I will send the current list of players, before the real game starts. ------------- |
Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 31-Oct-2005 at 09:47
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Results:
Retreats due tomorrow at 9:00AM -6:00 GMT. The March of Times: France and Spain enter into major conflict: Spain, rules Navarre; France controls Lorraine; mutual armies must retreat. Denmark: A Jutland - Holstein A Zealand - Jutland A Scania - Sea of Bornholm (*Fails*) F Vestlandet - Norwegian Sea England: F North Atlantic Ocean - Scotland F English Channel Convoys A Cornwall - Brittany A Cornwall - Brittany France: A Savoy Hold A France Comte - Lorraine F Navarre - Portugal (*Dislodged*) A Champagne Supports A France Comte - Lorraine HabsburgEmpire: A Western Hungary - Serbia (*Bounce*) A Austria - Western Hungary (*Fails*) A Bavaria Hold OttomanEmpire: A Syria - Armenia A Armenia - Azerbaijan F Greece - Constantinople A Illyria - Serbia (*Bounce*) Poland: A Transylvania Hold A Livonia - Prussia A Volhynia - Bessarabia Russia: A Voronezj - Crimea A Moscow - Central Asia A Novgorod Hold Spain: A Rome - Naples A Castille - Navarre F Portugal Supports A Castille - Navarre A Lorraine Hold (*Dislodged*) Sweden: A Ingria, no move received F Baltic Sea - Livonia A Estonia Supports F Baltic Sea - Livonia A Stockholm Hold French F Navarre can retreat to Mid-Atlantic Ocean or Bay of Biscay or Gascony. Spanish A Lorraine can retreat to Flanders or Westphalia or Hesse or Saxony. 
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Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 31-Oct-2005 at 12:19
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Retreat to Gascony was the message sent to the royal armies in Spain.
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Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 31-Oct-2005 at 12:58
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I would like to make some technical or pedagogical comments, specially thinking on novices, using the current season as example: Examples of wrong moves (notice that occasionally this may be intentionate, instead of a "hold"): A Scania - Sea of Bornholm (*Fails*)Obviously Armies can't swim, the troops can only make a visit to the beach but sailing across the sea is not possible for them unless convoyed by a fleet. Yet maybe the intention of the Danish player was to order it to Zeeland and thought (wrongly) that there was a sea between them. No, in fact Zeeland/Scania act as Constantinople: they are the "land" (canal) between two seas and fleets must enter them to sail between the adjacent seas. But armies have no problem there. The straits are narrow enough to allow them to cross without dificulties (using barrages or local boats, we assume). A Ingria, no move receivedWell, in this case wasn't important surely, but some times forgetting to order a unit can be decissive. Check your orders before you click "send". Examples of questionable moves (technically ok but which could have given better results if played diferently): A Rome - NaplesSpain abandoned his new acquisition without any need, losing a gain. Maybe the Spanish player was confused on when SCs are secured: they are always secured in the Fall season. Only what you have occupied when the winter comes counts as Newly acquired centers. A Rome holds would have been a much better order, specially considering that no unit was threatening Naples. F Baltic Sea - LivoniaHere sweden was fighting against ghosts: it was rather previsible that Poland would order to Prussia (as he actually did) and, even if he ordered against Estonia, there was no risk (1 vs 1: the defender wins). Sweden would have use her fleet much better trying to capture an empty center such as Pomerania. F Baltic Sea - Pomerania would have do it but, probably, much better was: A Stockholm - Pomerania F Baltic Sea convoys A Stockholm - Pomerania Using the season to practice convoys, getting a potentially better position in Germany (Brandenburg is at reach, it can threat Denmark or Poland, depending on circumstances, as well). The movement had been discussed earlier in the game topic, so I actually expected it to happen. With the actual Swede moves, this power doesn't grow in the first year, what seems to weaken its potential, specially because I feel that building a second fleet is essential for Sweden. F Greece - ConstantinopleIt's maybe ok but... wouldn't have been better to build F Constantinople (Turkey also seems to need a second fleet) and send the Fleet to Ionian Sea, taking control of the most strategical Mediterranean Province? An example of convoy: Though if I would have been England I would have ordered diferently, specially in the Spring. The English player has provided us all with a good example of convoy that is worth to mention: F English Channel Convoys A Cornwall - BrittanyYou see the mechanics, don't you? Two examples of dislodgements and retreats: The French and Spanish players has shown us some good stuff on how close combat is. Each has won a territorial battle expelling the other from a province. Now the two have to send retreat orders for the affected units. Notice that retreats happen in the same regular turn and, not in this case but maybe in others, they can affect the winter status, if the unit can retreat to an open SC. Pay attention to the fact that "open" doesn't mean just that no unit is actully there but also that no battle has taken place in the previous turn. Hope these comments are of use for you all. Whe we start the true game, I will only make comments with political intentions (unless it is a very technical thing). -------------
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Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 31-Oct-2005 at 13:27
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Correction:
I made a couple of mistakes in the moves. Sweden had convoyed to Livonia. Here are the orders and new maps. Denmark: A Jutland - Holstein A Zealand - Jutland A Scania - Zealand F Vestlandet - Norwegian Sea England: F North Atlantic Ocean - Scotland F English Channel Convoys A Cornwall - Brittany A Cornwall - Brittany France: A Savoy Hold A France Comte - Lorraine F Navarre - Portugal A Champagne Supports A France Comte - Lorraine HabsburgEmpire: A Western Hungary - Serbia A Austria - Western Hungary A Bavaria Hold OttomanEmpire: A Syria - Armenia A Armenia - Azerbaijan F Greece - Constantinople A Illyria - Serbia Poland: A Transylvania Hold A Livonia - Prussia A Volhynia - Bessarabia Russia: A Voronezj - Crimea A Moscow - Central Asia A Novgorod Hold Spain: A Rome - Naples A Castille - Navarre F Portugal Supports A Castille - Navarre A Lorraine Hold Sweden: A Ingria Hold F Baltic Sea Convoys A Stockholm - Livonia A Estonia Supports A Stockholm - Livonia A Stockholm - Livonia 
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Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 31-Oct-2005 at 14:21
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Yet another correction:
True move of Spain. Everything else is the same. Spain: A Rome - Tuscany A Castille - Navarre F Portugal Supports A Castille - Navarre A Lorraine Hold (*Dislodged*) 
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Posted By: TheDiplomat
Date Posted: 01-Nov-2005 at 05:54
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My Lorraine army retreats to F.Co ------------- ARDA:The best Turkish diplomat ever! |
Posted By: Kapikulu
Date Posted: 01-Nov-2005 at 07:05
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Hi there, I am back.I was not entering AE for a while but now I am regularly checking everyday, so I can take the control of Austria if you accept. ------------- We gave up your happiness Your hope would be enough; we couldn't find neither; we made up sorrows for ourselves; we couldn't be consoled; A Strange Orhan Veli |
Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 01-Nov-2005 at 08:56
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WTF? I answred yesterday that I will retreat to Gascony with my fleet... it seems i didn't post it. ------------- |
Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 01-Nov-2005 at 09:16
You did: it's up there, just under the original adjudication. -------------
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Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 01-Nov-2005 at 09:24
You can't. You were attacked from Franche-Comte. You can retreat only to those provinces that fulfill the following requirements:
F Navarre can retreat to Gascony, Bay of Biscay, Mid Atlantic Ocean and OTB A Lorraine can retreat to Flanders, Westfalia, Hessen, Saxony and OTB OTB stands for off the board and it means that you can also voluntarily disband the unit (the only case out of Winter adjustments when this is posible). -------------
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Posted By: TheDiplomat
Date Posted: 02-Nov-2005 at 04:53
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Then I retreat to Flanders ------------- ARDA:The best Turkish diplomat ever! |
Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 02-Nov-2005 at 11:44
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Sorry, I mixed things up and now i am half blind as well.. how couldn't I see the post??? ------------- |
Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 02-Nov-2005 at 15:20
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See next entry. ------------- |
Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 02-Nov-2005 at 15:20
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New Player
Kapikulu takes over Jalisco Lancer's slot. Thanks! Send Builds Please send your build orders by tomorrow, Thursday 3, 2005 before 12:55 -6 GMT. Getting all of your orders will end the pratice game, and hopefully we can begin the real game officially on Friday. Below are the retreats for Autumn and the results for the year. Retreat Orders for Autumn, 1600: France: F Navarre - Gascony Spain: A Lorraine - Flanders The world, Winter 1600: Ownership: Denmark: Holstein, Jutland, Zealand, Scania, Vestlandet. England: Scotland, Ireland, Wales, London. France: Savoy, Paris, Gascony, Burgundy, Provence, Lorraine. HabsburgEmpire: Western Hungary, Bohemia, Austria, Croatia, Bavaria. OttomanEmpire: Egypt, Anatolia, Constantinople, Greece, Azerbaijan. Poland: Bessarabia, Transylvania, Prussia, White Russia, Warsaw, Cracow. Russia: Central Asia, Crimea, Voronezj, Moscow, Novgorod. Spain: Flanders, Naples, Castille, Granada, Portugal. Sweden: Finland, Estonia, Stockholm, Bergsl*gen. Unowned: North Africa, Serbia, Venice, Rome, Netherlands, Bremen, Pomerania, Brandenburg. Adjustments: Denmark: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1 England: Supp 4 Unit 3 Build 1 France: Supp 6 Unit 4 Build 2 HabsburgEmpire: Supp 5 Unit 3 Build 2 OttomanEmpire: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1 Poland: Supp 6 Unit 3 Build 3 Russia: Supp 5 Unit 3 Build 2 Spain: Supp 5 Unit 4 Build 1 Sweden: Supp 4 Unit 4 Build 0 Notes: Everyone builds at leat one unit, except Sweden. Poland got the biggest number of SCs this turn. The two biggests powers are France and Poland, both holding 6 SCS. Maps of retreats and the world in Winter of 1600: 
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Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 03-Nov-2005 at 11:41
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I build army Paris and F Provence. ------------- |
Posted By: morticia
Date Posted: 03-Nov-2005 at 13:30
"Everyone builds at leat one unit, except Sweden."
 ------------- "Morty Trust in God: She will provide." -- Emmeline Pankhurst |
Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 03-Nov-2005 at 14:08
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I told you should have taken Pomerania.
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Posted By: morticia
Date Posted: 03-Nov-2005 at 14:37
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Maju: you must have me confused with someone else. This is what you asked me to do, and I complied:
Posted: October 20 2005 at 7:20pm | IP Logged Hopefully the year-round micro-game will have most of these situations. We will definitively move around and build at in the winter turn. Supports are likely to happen but if you want to try order the following: A Finland - Ingria A Estonia supports A Finland Ingria " can then order A Novgorod - Ingria and you win the battle (2 vs. 1). This is a good example of support. Convoys are less likely to happen. But it is up to the players that have fleets. In any case they can't happen before the fall, because fleets must be in sea provinces to be able to convoy. Order F Stockholm-Baltic Sea, and I'll tell you how to convoy in the fall." Not having heard anything further, I convoyed to Livonia! How come I don't get Livonia? Wassup with that? ------------- "Morty Trust in God: She will provide." -- Emmeline Pankhurst |
Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 03-Nov-2005 at 17:33
I was under the impression that it was all more clear. I actually never said it (now that I check) but Rider did:
I also thought that the actual center mentioned was Pomerania, not Prussia. Anyhow, would you have asked I would have suggested it. The important thing, now you will be getting the idea, I hope, is to conquer new centers (and defend the ones you already own). The more centers you have, the more troops you can mantain. If you have more centers than units when the Winter comes, then you are entitled to build; if you have more units than centers, then you have to disband some. Anyhow, you did a very nice convoy. Though inmediate useless, could have had some implications, in the sense that you are well deployed to attack Russia (would the trial-game continue) but, apart of more complex analysis, the basic important thing is to conquer centers: that's the way you grow in military power. Remember that you only conquer centers in the Fall, what you occupy in the Spring is not of any use unless you are still there after the Fall turn. Other important matters may be balance of power, strategic positions even if they are not supply centers, who you trust, who you should actually trust, etc. One important thing is that only one wins, so be particularly wary of those powers that are too strong. It's not just a fair race for who gets most centers but also a game of treacherous stabs and creating dificulties for the rivals, specially those that are a danger for your victory. -------------
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Posted By: morticia
Date Posted: 03-Nov-2005 at 19:50
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Easy for you to say, Maju! Now I am really scared!
I'm putting up a FOR SALE sign for France (for the real game)! Any takers?
------------- "Morty Trust in God: She will provide." -- Emmeline Pankhurst |
Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2005 at 04:30
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Of course - if I could have England AND France ------------- |
....but I guess no-one will let me. Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2005 at 14:04
Morty: just read carefully the following articles and try to apply some of their ideas to your game:
Of course I can take over France (and Spain) but I'm pretty sure other players won't be enthusiastic about it. We would surely have the War of French Succession -  -------------
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Posted By: morticia
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2005 at 15:03
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Hear ye! Hear ye! France is no longer up for sale! After careful consideration, "Queen Henri(etta)" has decided to keep her steady rule on France. After all, there is always the possibility of conquering the entire continent of Europe! So, guess I better put on my heavy-armored jacket, grab my shield, and keep my sword close at hand to protect myself from the "stabs"... somehow, I feel like my ruling days will end with many stab wounds, just like Caesar! ------------- "Morty Trust in God: She will provide." -- Emmeline Pankhurst |
Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 04-Nov-2005 at 16:27
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I am lacking the build orders of one player. I am hoping to get his build soon tonight. ------------- |
Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2005 at 12:02
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Whom should that be? I hope that you post the new game as soon as it is possible? ------------- |
Posted By: TheDiplomat
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2005 at 13:27
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Glad to hear that ------------- ARDA:The best Turkish diplomat ever! |
Posted By: Kapikulu
Date Posted: 05-Nov-2005 at 16:16
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------------- We gave up your happiness Your hope would be enough; we couldn't find neither; we made up sorrows for ourselves; we couldn't be consoled; A Strange Orhan Veli |
Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 07-Nov-2005 at 13:51
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The march of Time:
Spain and France are in a state of war. England sends help to the French shores; but for whom? The East seems stable, but tensions begin to build up. The Ottoman and Russian Empire have disagreements over their borders. Poland has been silent about its neighbors’ conflict, but silently moves to secure his border with the Ottoman Empire. The Scandinavian states are poised for major conflict with each other. The big mystery for this year is the Habsburg Empire; no one seems to know what it will do. From the Russian Press: His Majesty the Tzar of All Russias, founding quite annoying the Turk threat on the Black Sea and the Caucasus, has decided to create the Imperial Navy of the South with base at Voronezh. We won't let those Turks invade the Motherland. Ein Reich, ein Volk, ein Tzar! Denmark: Build A Vestlandet England: Build F London France: Build A Paris Build A Provence HabsburgEmpire: Build F Croatia Build A Bohemia OttomanEmpire: Build A Greece Poland: Build F Cracow Build A Warsaw Build A White Russia Russia: Build A Moscow Build F Voronezj Spain: Build A Castille Ownership: Denmark: Holstein, Jutland, Zealand, Scania, Vestlandet. England: Scotland, Ireland, Wales, London. France: Savoy, Paris, Gascony, Burgundy, Provence, Lorraine. HabsburgEmpire: Western Hungary, Bohemia, Austria, Croatia, Bavaria. OttomanEmpire: Egypt, Anatolia, Constantinople, Greece, Azerbaijan. Poland: Bessarabia, Transylvania, Prussia, White Russia, Warsaw, Cracow. Russia: Central Asia, Crimea, Voronezj, Moscow, Novgorod. Spain: Flanders, Naples, Castille, Granada, Portugal. Sweden: Finland, Estonia, Stockholm, Bergsl*gen. Unowned: North Africa, Serbia, Venice, Rome, Netherlands, Bremen, Pomerania, Brandenburg.  ------------- |
Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 07-Nov-2005 at 16:50
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Didn't Denmark build an army? Why did you put a fleet there instead? ... The funny thing about this building season is how marime powers have mostly (with the exception of England) built armies and land powers such as Poland and Russia have started building up their navies. Tremble, Ottomans... you're lucky that the game doesn't continue. -------------
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Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 07-Nov-2005 at 18:09
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[QUOTE=Maju] Didn't Denmark build an army? Why did you put a fleet there instead? [/qoute] Oops, uploaded the wrong image
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Posted By: hugoestr
Date Posted: 07-Nov-2005 at 18:14
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Posted By: Kapikulu
Date Posted: 08-Nov-2005 at 04:21
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My scandinavian foe had really saved himself out of a great trouble and storm invasion ------------- We gave up your happiness Your hope would be enough; we couldn't find neither; we made up sorrows for ourselves; we couldn't be consoled; A Strange Orhan Veli |
Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 08-Nov-2005 at 11:01
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the storm invasino would take a lot of time from that position. YOu had two availiable armies and notihng too large except those three misunderstood armies on the islands. ------------- |
Posted By: Kapikulu
Date Posted: 08-Nov-2005 at 12:26
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Those were thanks to Jalisco Saw my tactics on the last round? I was stockpiling the armies ------------- We gave up your happiness Your hope would be enough; we couldn't find neither; we made up sorrows for ourselves; we couldn't be consoled; A Strange Orhan Veli |
Posted By: rider
Date Posted: 09-Nov-2005 at 12:49
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Yes, you were... ofcourse... but only in what points. I got three centers and that was almost the best. Poland got three aswell and there were the tricks....
Too bad that someone didn't get any. ------------- |
Posted By: morticia
Date Posted: 09-Nov-2005 at 15:17
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Thanks Rider....and we all know who that was!!!!
------------- "Morty Trust in God: She will provide." -- Emmeline Pankhurst |