Repairing the damage done by Russians against Turks?
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Topic: Repairing the damage done by Russians against Turks?
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Subject: Repairing the damage done by Russians against Turks?
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2005 at 15:20
| What has to be done do repair the damange caused by Russian against Turks especialy the peoples living today in Russia like tatars and bashkirs? |
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Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2005 at 15:22
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Do you mean from the Imperial age? ------------- |
Posted By:
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2005 at 15:26
Yeah that when it really started getting worse |
Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2005 at 15:32
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Can you explain the damage with a chronologic list of events? ------------- |
Posted By: pikeshot1600
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2005 at 15:34
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I take it you mean from the 1850s and 60s. First, several of the Turkic republics are now not ruled by Russia. However, Russia will never be very far away. Second, those with oil and gas can use these resources for their own benefit...selling and transporting. Third, I think all the communists are calling themselves something else. |
Posted By: ēok geē
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2005 at 15:35
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Well, is it only turks who suffered? Or you mean almost everybody, including Russians themselves. What can be done? I will wait for the list of damages you have before we know what can be repair, and what is just a history. ------------- D.J. Kaufman Wisdom is the reward for a lifetime of listening ... when youd have preferred to talk. |
Posted By:
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2005 at 15:35
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I was more thinking of the language damage such as promoting Russian
over minority languges and changing alfabets wich happand during the
1920ths. Unfortuntley i dont have a cronlogicallist (please dont bash me for this). |
Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2005 at 15:58
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Well unfortunately this sort of thing has happened in every country where minority languages are not the official languages. ------------- |
Posted By: Seko
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2005 at 16:04
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Since the demise of the Soviet Union many Turk Republics were faced with a language issue. Some have made it a quest to come up with a written language that differentiates thier new identity from the Soviet style Cyrillic. Azerbaijan - In 1991 Aliyez influenced the parliament to decree the Latin style alphabet. In 2000 the campaign picked up steam. Kazakistan - 1997 the official state language changed from Russian to Kazak. Turkmenistan - Since 1989 Agzibirlik movement (Unity in Voice) began. Soon the old communist party was renaned the Democratic party. Turkmenbashy was the head. Turkmen became the state language. Chinese Uyghurs - China phased out the Arabic script in 1962 in favor of latin. In 1980 it went back to Arabic. In the 1950's the Chinese gov. called the Uyghurs 'American paper tigers'. In the 1960's they were called 'agents of Soviet Hegemonists'. In the 1980's 'splittists'. And since September 11, they were known as 'terrorists'. ------------- |
Posted By: Kalevipoeg
Date Posted: 13-Oct-2005 at 16:05
There really isn't much to do about it. It has already happened and the
only thing to do is to set up some scientific organizations for
restoring the ancestral culture (language, writing) and get on with
your lives. Russia will never apologize for anything it has done, so,
nothing to wait from there. They will always remain the nation "who brought culture to the retarded border areas, which have always been Russian native lands."
------------- There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible than a man in the depths of an ether binge... |
Posted By:
Date Posted: 15-Oct-2005 at 12:53
| Yes the Russians will never apologize but fortuntley the birth rates of turks are higher then Russians. |
Posted By: DayI
Date Posted: 16-Oct-2005 at 09:48
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also the testing of some bombs they where made on those people... ------------- Bu mıntıka'nın Dayı'sı http://imageshack.us - [IMG - http://www.allempires.com/forum/uploads/DayI/2006-03-17_164450_bscap021.jpg - |
Posted By: bg_turk
Date Posted: 28-Jan-2006 at 10:16
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The damage done by Russian is enormous and in some instance it may be qualified as ethnic cleansing. The plight of the Crimena tatars is particulars shocking, once a thriving community the numbers of tatars have been decreasing steadily. In 1783, Russian forces occupied the Crimea, officially ending the rule of the Khanate. Under oppressive Tsarist policy, the Crimean Tatars began leaving their homeland. With the 1944 deportation of the entire Crimean Tatar population by Stalin, it seemed that the Tatar presence in the Crimea was completely eliminated. ------------- http://www.journalof911studies.com - http://www.journalof911studies.com |
Posted By: Spartakus
Date Posted: 28-Jan-2006 at 12:41
------------- "There are worse crimes than burning books. One of them is not reading them. " --- Joseph Alexandrovitch Brodsky, 1991, Russian-American poet, b. St. Petersburg and exiled 1972 (1940-1996) |
Posted By: Jhangora
Date Posted: 28-Jan-2006 at 14:30
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I don't think it's a racist comment.It's a fact that Russian population is declining. -------------  Jai Badri Vishal
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Posted By: DayI
Date Posted: 28-Jan-2006 at 14:57
If we should replyed to all racistic comments in here...------------- Bu mıntıka'nın Dayı'sı http://imageshack.us - [IMG - http://www.allempires.com/forum/uploads/DayI/2006-03-17_164450_bscap021.jpg - |
Posted By: Spartakus
Date Posted: 28-Jan-2006 at 18:01
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The fact that sb says "fortunately" Russian birth rate is declining,it's racist.He did not mentioned simply a declining birth rate,but also the word "fortunately".So it is fortunate that another nation is declining,and your ass is covered by your high birth rate?What are Russian people?Sons of Seitan?It's way too stupid remark,if we can even consider it such. ------------- "There are worse crimes than burning books. One of them is not reading them. " --- Joseph Alexandrovitch Brodsky, 1991, Russian-American poet, b. St. Petersburg and exiled 1972 (1940-1996) |
Posted By: DayI
Date Posted: 28-Jan-2006 at 18:51
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First, Spartakus i cant believe my eyes man, tell me its a lie that you cover Turks in here Second that kid Abakan doesnt check this forum for a week, so he's a "forum nomad" as ulrich had mentioned and it isnt nessesarry to "discuss" with him with that. ------------- Bu mıntıka'nın Dayı'sı http://imageshack.us - [IMG - http://www.allempires.com/forum/uploads/DayI/2006-03-17_164450_bscap021.jpg - |
Posted By: Spartakus
Date Posted: 28-Jan-2006 at 19:01
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It's not my job to "cover" people of whatever origin they wish to be.It isn't even funny.Even if he is a forum nomad,his remark is in a newly-replied topic. ------------- "There are worse crimes than burning books. One of them is not reading them. " --- Joseph Alexandrovitch Brodsky, 1991, Russian-American poet, b. St. Petersburg and exiled 1972 (1940-1996) |
Posted By: Jhangora
Date Posted: 29-Jan-2006 at 03:07
It was sarcasm.You may also indulge in it. ------------- Jai Badri Vishal
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Posted By: Spartakus
Date Posted: 29-Jan-2006 at 07:08
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I do not see a.... [/sarcasm]...... or sth else that indicates it was sarcasm.Do you? ------------- "There are worse crimes than burning books. One of them is not reading them. " --- Joseph Alexandrovitch Brodsky, 1991, Russian-American poet, b. St. Petersburg and exiled 1972 (1940-1996) |
Posted By: Jhangora
Date Posted: 29-Jan-2006 at 08:53
Yes Spartakus I do.But the explanation would take about 500 words.Let's agree that we have different ways of looking at things. ------------- Jai Badri Vishal
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Posted By: Kapikulu
Date Posted: 29-Jan-2006 at 08:56
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Most of Crimean Tatar population had been deported to Siberia by Stalin, like many other people of other descents in the other regions.Like the Ukrainians, who had been forced into famine in 1930s. I believe, all these make Stalin the worst dictator of the century before, even causing more deaths than Hitler, possibly.. Russians had given damage to many tribes everywhere, including the Turks. Both in Czar's time and Bolshevik control...In 1920s, Russians were the ones invading the Turkish khanates in Turkistan, Khive, Hokand and Bukhara and also ruthlessly suppressing the people who fought against it. ------------- We gave up your happiness Your hope would be enough; we couldn't find neither; we made up sorrows for ourselves; we couldn't be consoled; A Strange Orhan Veli |
Posted By: Maju
Date Posted: 29-Jan-2006 at 10:02
The ammount of the deaths caused by Stalin is still disputed. In any case he ruled for much long than Hitler did and Hitler clearly beat Stalin in intensity, even in spite that the Soviet Union was about 4 times Germany in population. Highest estimates for Stalinist crimes don't ever reach but a fraction of what the Nazis were doing at the same time. Said that, Stalin is without doubt one of the worst criminals of Modern history. ------------- 
NO GOD, NO MASTER! |
Posted By: Spartakus
Date Posted: 29-Jan-2006 at 14:24
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Without doubt. ------------- "There are worse crimes than burning books. One of them is not reading them. " --- Joseph Alexandrovitch Brodsky, 1991, Russian-American poet, b. St. Petersburg and exiled 1972 (1940-1996) |
Posted By: Zagros
Date Posted: 29-Jan-2006 at 15:53
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A good one for Mosquito to hear. ------------- |
Posted By: bg_turk
Date Posted: 29-Jan-2006 at 16:52
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Stalin's Crimes according to BBC:
Caucasus
h http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3509933.stm - ttp://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3509933.stm
Stalin deported about a dozen entire nationalities from western regions of the USSR to Central Asia between 1941 and 1944
He accused most of these 1.4 million people of collaboration with the invading Nazi army
About 387,000 Chechens and 91,000 Ingush were deported on 23 February 1944 and the next few days
The deportations were a taboo subject until Stalin's successor, Nikita Khrushchev, condemned them in 1956
Chechen and Ingush survivors were allowed to return home in 1957
Their exile left deep scars which helped fuel separatism in the 1990s
Ukraine
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4471256.stm - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4471256.stm
Millions of Ukrainians starved to death in 1932-33 as USSR leader Joseph Stalin stripped them of their produce in a forced farm collectivisation campaign.
Called Holodomor in Ukrainian - meaning murder by hunger
About a quarter of Ukraine's population wiped out
Seven to 10 million people thought to have died
Children disappeared; cannibalism became widespread
Crimea
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/monitoring/media_reports/1995670.stm - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/monitoring/media_reports/19 95670.stm
Fifty-eight years ago, more than 200,000 Tatars, Armenians, Greeks and Bulgarians were sent from Crimea to Siberia and Central Asia in just two days, on the orders of Soviet leader Josef Stalin following accusations of collaboration with Nazi Germany. Prussia
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1511601.stm - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/1511601.stm
Representatives of the ethnic German minority in Russia are meeting in Moscow on the 60th anniversary of the Soviet deportation of more than one million Germans to Siberia and central Asia during the World War II. ------------- http://www.journalof911studies.com - http://www.journalof911studies.com |
Posted By: R_AK47
Date Posted: 30-Jan-2006 at 12:40
| I don't think Russia should repair any of this "damage" that is said to have been done. |
Posted By: ArmenianSurvival
Date Posted: 30-Jan-2006 at 15:53
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^^ I agree. Using this logic, the accusers themselves would also have to undo many things.
------------- Mass Murderers Agree: Gun Control Works! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Resistance ÕÕ«Õ¹ Õ„Õ¶Ö Õ¢Õ”ÕµÖ ÕÕ”Õµ Õ„Õ¶ÖÖ |
Posted By: Kapikulu
Date Posted: 30-Jan-2006 at 22:52
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BBC? ------------- We gave up your happiness Your hope would be enough; we couldn't find neither; we made up sorrows for ourselves; we couldn't be consoled; A Strange Orhan Veli |
Posted By: Jhangora
Date Posted: 30-Jan-2006 at 23:59
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Russia cannot repair the "damage" that has been done.Last I heard Jesus had't been reborn {if he has been, kindly let me know....n also if he's starting performing miracles again} ,atleast not in Russia. It's time to move on.In which direction.....let's discuss that. ------------- Jai Badri Vishal
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Posted By: Kapikulu
Date Posted: 31-Jan-2006 at 23:03
R_AK47's comment was really irrelevant there..Anyway, moderation had intervened on this.After all, Stalin's crimes couldn't be appropriated at whole Russian nation. Anyway..It is known fact that many intellectuals in Stalin era opposing Stalin regime had been sent to exile at Gulag Archipelago.Anybody have interesting information about those people? ------------- We gave up your happiness Your hope would be enough; we couldn't find neither; we made up sorrows for ourselves; we couldn't be consoled; A Strange Orhan Veli |
Posted By: Attila2
Date Posted: 02-Feb-2006 at 20:47
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Its a brief fact that commies made the turkic peoples suffer greatly,more than the imperial russia did.But its over now,hopefully. Though the scars still remain
I think all the turkic republics should form a kind of federation
They will suffer from economy very much at the beginning but in the long term they will surely flourish
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Posted By: heyamigos
Date Posted: 04-Sep-2012 at 20:32
| I feel for the Tatar people, but if you read the history, prior to the Crimean War, they often raided Russian, Ukrainian, Polish and Lithuanian villages and took back numerous slaves with them to the steppes. From there, they would be sold at the markets in Crimea and on to Turkey and rest of Middle East. The Russian appetite for savagery and conquest was an evolutionary response to their own history. |
Posted By: Delenda est Roma
Date Posted: 04-Sep-2012 at 20:41
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Who hasn't tried to conquer other nations if they could? ------------- |