This is more like it, Mosquito, a proper thread. Yes, I love such underhand/ smart manoeuvrings such as the German-Polish non-aggression pact. It is widely believed that through the Polish embassy a suggestion was made to the French to attack the German(The Germans in 1934 being still very weak)jointly with them. This was done in not such a private way so the Germans get to hear about it. So, bingo, this pact suddenly appears which puts an end to the rumours and allows the Germans to continue to strengthen, and the border and trade disputes(which was what the Polish were after all the time.)were sorted out.

Edit: I know, stictly as this was the Polish aiming to create this pact by underhand methods it's not really Hitler's doing. But hey I'm sure you don't mind, Mosquito, do you?

The outburst may well have been for show, Mosquito, for in 1935 the Nazis brought out a law prohibiting the hunting of wolves, that is on top of there banning of non-German and non-Aryans from hunting. Not significant you might think. However wolves were already extinct in Germany but not in Poland, and it has been suggested plans to invade Poland were already being written up.

About that Anti-Comintern Pact thing, Mosquito. I hate to break the bad news but it wasn't an anti-Soviet Union pact at all. Maybe you're in need of a lot more study time. Of course, the Anti-Comintern Pact as any competent historian with a workable knowledge or the era knows was to fight against Communist International an organization. Germany went out of its way to not antagonize the Soviet Union at the time.

A short video explaining the actual situation, and the play acting to gain favour. Also, the Nazis had already decided on their Lebensraum or living space for the Aryan people being Poland, Ukraine, Russia...etc...They are also known to believe the Slavs to be inferior, so I guess easily tricked...etc...The Nazis are famous for staging propaganda stunts. They were pretty good at it.

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The Nazis were noted occultists and strongly influenced by symbolism and imagery. They also used it in conjunction with their work carried out by the Ahnenerbe, as well as in media propaganda, including the removal of artifacts, to implement Generalplan Ost. This included from Poland. Goering himself had many things seized. Remember the photos of him and other ranked people visiting Poland? This is how they played people while searching for artifacts and other objects of interest. 

The Generalplan Ost (German pronunciation:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_German - [ɡenəˈʁaːlˌplaːn ˈɔst] , Master Plan East), abbreviated GPO, was the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Germany - Nazi German government's plan for the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settler_colonialism - colonization  of  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_and_Eastern_Europe - Central and Eastern Europe . https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost#cite_note-dfg.de-1 - [1]  It was partly implemented in territories occupied by Germany during during  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II - World War II , resulting in  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide - genocide  and  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_cleansing - ethnic cleansing . Had Germany won the war, many more people would have died as the plan was fully implemented. The plan entailed the enslavement, expulsion, and/or extermination of most  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavs - Slavic peoples  in Europe, whom the Nazis viewed as  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untermensch - racially inferior  and non-Aryan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost#cite_note-rosalux.de-2 - [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost#cite_note-3 - [3]  The programme operational guidelines, prepared in the years 1939–1942, were based on the policy of  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebensraum - Lebensraum  designed by  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler - Adolf Hitler  and the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party - Nazi movement , as well as being a fulfillment of the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drang_nach_Osten - Drang nach Osten  (English: Drive towards the East) ideology of German expansion to the east. As such, it was intended to be a part of the  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Order_%28Nazism%29 - New Order  in Europe. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Generalplan_Ost#cite_note-rosalux.de-2 - [2]

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What a handsome figure of a dragon. No wonder I fall madly in love with the Alani Dragon now, the avatar, it's a gorgeous dragon picture.

Again as I've already told you, Mosquito, the Anti-Comintern Pact wasn't an anti-Soviet Union pact. Educate yourself, Mosquito. >>>  http://https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_International - http://https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_International

History shows, Mosquito, that Hitler had fits of paranoia and may have shown signs of a degenerative brain disorder which manifested itself in his fits of anger. History also shows the Nazis using a great many people and the discarding them like an old worn out shoe.

A time back, and maybe you know this Nazi propaganda poster too, I saw a poster with Pilsudski laid to rest with an angel laying lilies, or some other flowers on him. The works, which had a double meaning was something along the line of Peace, the knight, you allowed us to enter. That is one twisted sense of humour and a sure indication of their intent already on taking the country. It wasn't a new trick by any means, Mosquito, hiding a second meaning in the words you show. Shakespear did this in his plays too. One lot for the audience and the hidden for those in the know. Like with the title of one of his plays, "much ado about nothing", even the term "nothing" has about three or four meanings. Hitler's way in with the suggested peace is also a way in to taking the country eventually.

It is also know that the Polish government didn't wish to allow the Nazis free passage in order for them to attack the Soviet Union as they had realized how Hitler's plans would put Poland at Germany's mercy for generations to come. Hitler's plans to attack the Soviet Union wasn't actually based on them being communist either, as Hitler had a hatred for Russia which he told Beck he would have attacked had they been tsarist or bolshevik, which again puts the anti-comintern pact on shaky ground. Again I will leave this to be completed on the next question of yours.

Originally posted by Mosquito Originally posted by TheAlaniDragonRising As for Hitler being loyal to those who were loyal to him, yes his secretary, Traudl Junge, describes Hitler's loyalty right to the end, the end that is when he forced them to kill themselves even when they didn't want to. Some loyalty that was. That shows him to be a backstabber right to the very end, Mosquito, and that is the creature you would have handed the lives of your people, and my guess with the same outcome. Any examples of Hitler betraying his allies first? Did he attack Slovaks or Croats? Did he murder any Italians before Italy changed sides?

OK, Mosquito, this is probably one of the easiest questions to answer, and at the same time I will complete those I said I would while answering your last question.

The answer, Mosquito, is yes. Poland was in a non-aggression pact with the Nazis. Poland didn't break this pact which was still running, but as you can see, and I have already said the Nazis used alliances as a temporary measure to facilitate their next planned move. Hitler's conversation with Beck regarding attacking Russia regardless if tsarist or bolshevik proves the anti-comintern pact was no more than the Nazis attempting to keep countries neutral when he did attack. However Poland was already neutral weren't they due to the non-aggression pact.

Neutral is non-combat, Mosquito. The problem here is that they were aiming to use your land, and take Danzig from you(settle territorial disputes)when attacking the Soviet Union. Were they somehow going to defend you harder even though they were already on your land? They were treating you as being stupid, Mosquito.

Now I see what direction you're coming from here, Mosquito. You're from an area the Nazis considered as belonging to Germany. Not that those chosen on racial grounds from your area of Poland for the volksliste were given full German privileges. Did you know for example that Germanisation may be considered to be as little as speaking the language, Mosquito? However, I digress a little in my intent, Mosquito, not that I haven't been indulging myself somewhat in order to see where you were heading after suggesting siding with the Nazis and then later changing sides. The trouble with that idea, Mosquito, and something a logical brain should have thought of straight away, is what is this other side you would be changing to? The alliances which brought about world war two don't exist, so what you're left with, Mosquito, is this. You've allied yourself with the Nazis who, if they manage to beat the Soviet Union, and press on with GeneralPlan Ost, are likely to ethnically cleanse Eastern Europe, including Poland(a minute possibility ethnically suitable Poles from traditional German claimed areas might survive in some capacity unknown). If the Soviets win however a huge purge will certainly occur and in the bargain allow the Soviet Union to swallow every single nation the Nazis had marched into.

& had rightly been more concerned about the territorial ambitions of Russian/Czarist regimes than

those of pan-Germania, even if Nazi.. 

A concern - which was shown to be fair enough under the circumstances..

Hitler, as a proponent of pan-Germania, clearly/openly espoused his ambitious views in 'Mein Kampf'.

Unlike Stalin, who hid his essentially ego-based ( due to his being defeated militarily there) vengeful ambitions towards Poland, behind his bogus 'Communist International'  M-L rhetoric.. 

This is very interesting, Mosquito. Do you have more information on these other organizations or assignments the surviving members took part in?

Ask yourself, Mosquito, if General Fieldorf for one second would have considered that it might have been better to have sided with the germans. My guess is that he would have strongly said an emphatic no. Staying true to Polish values rather than siding with one dictator or another.

Obviously, you believe that a hero of your people who Polish people look up to wouldn't have chosen to side with the Nazis if given the choice to turn back time. You try to dismiss your own Polish hero for politicians, so fine, how many of the Polish government in exile during the war are you aware of who would have rather sided with the Nazis, Mosquito?

Kind of wondering what a national identity is without its heroes, Mosquito. Are there many cultures who don't pass on their moral compass with the use of stories involving heroes? Maybe your interpretation of what makes people heroes differs to mine.

Yes, I know a little of the story of Roman Czerniawski. A brave man, a hero. He knew very well how the Nazis were trying to dupe the Polish people, and used that knowledge on the overinflated Nazi ego. At times, he wasn't treated well. The spy ring in France had many obstacles to overcome. Roman found it incredibly difficult to recruit the French as they tended to not trust the Pole, or maybe it was Poles in general. This tended to be a problem in many places and not just in France. I believe it was his French handler who after being caught gave information which had him captured. The greatest shame, I think, though I guess not that surprising under the circumstances is that he came under suspicion on his return to Britain where for a period of time he was watched and given low tasks. I believe his stance was pretty disparaging against both the Nazis and the Soviets, not trusting either.