Xiongnu description is similar to Huns
Printed From: History Community ~ All Empires
Category: Regional History or Period History
Forum Name: Steppe Nomads and Central Asia
Forum Discription: Nomads such as the Scythians, Huns, Turks & Mongols, and kingdoms of Central Asia
URL: http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33538
Printed Date: 28-Apr-2024 at 23:56
Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 9.56a - http://www.webwizforums.com
Topic: Xiongnu description is similar to Huns
Posted By: MrButlerKing
Subject: Xiongnu description is similar to Huns
Date Posted: 25-Mar-2013 at 20:11
|
Description by both Romans and Chinese.
Hsiung-Nu portrayed by the Chinese:
They are short,with a stocky body and a very large round head,broad face,prominent cheekbones,wide nostrils,a fairly bushy mustache and no beard except for a tuft of stiff hair on the chin;their long ears are pierced and adorned with a ring.The head is usually shaved,except for a tuft on top.The eyebrows are thick,the eyes almond-shaped with a very fiery pupil.They wear a loose robe to the calf,split at the sides and gathered in by a girdle whose ends hang down in front.Because of the cold the sleeves are gathered in tightly at the wrists.A short fur cape covers their shoulders,and they have wide trousers strapped in at the ankle.The sheat of the bow hangs from the belt in front of the left thigh.The quiver,also suspended from the belt,hangs across the small of the back,the barbs of the arrows to the right.
(Wieger translation)
Some details of this dress are common to Huns and Hsiung-Nu.
Now compare Huns of Europe
Jordanes, a Goth writing in Italy in 551, a century after the collapse of the Hunnic Empire, describes the Huns as a "savage race, which dwelt at first in the swamps, a stunted, foul and puny tribe, scarcely human, and having no language save one which bore but slight resemblance to human speech."
"They made their foes flee in horror because their swarthy aspect was fearful, and they had, if I may call it so, a sort of shapeless lump, not a head, with pin-holes rather than eyes. Their hardihood is evident in their wild appearance, and they are beings who are cruel to their children on the very day they are born. For they cut the cheeks of the males with a sword, so that before they receive the nourishment of milk they must learn to endure wounds. Hence they grow old beardless and their young men are without comeliness, because a face furrowed by the sword spoils by its scars the natural beauty of a beard. They are short in stature, quick in bodily movement, alert horsemen, broad shouldered, ready in the use of bow and arrow, and have firm-set necks which are ever erect in pride. Though they live in the form of men, they have the cruelty of wild beasts.
|
Replies:
Posted By: Hukumari
Date Posted: 31-May-2013 at 18:18
Maybe this link will give more hints:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1180365/
Especially autosomal STR tells as follows:
- D3S1358 - most common alleles 15 and 16
- vWA - most common = 17
- FGA - most common = 24
- D8S1179 - most common = 13
- D21S11 = 30
- D13S317 = 8 & 10
- D5S818 = 11
- D7S820 = 10
EHSTRAFD tells something about the "average" Egyin Gol-person even if they have not samples enough. Top four:
1 Saskatchewan [2.86191128108E-009] [100.00] United States United States AA-0003
2 Athabaskan [1.66771082626E-009] [58.27] Alaska United States US-0001
3 Yupik [7.03683348537E-010] [24.59] South-Western Alaska United States US-0001
4 Argentine [6.94639042891E-010] [24.27] Salta Argentina AR-0001
This gives some hints but is not the reality. Conclusions: The Huns escaped to America???
|
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 06-Jun-2013 at 15:22
|
The Mongols, too. I have a feeling the Huns and the Xiongnu were of the same race.
-------------
Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains!
|
Posted By: Hukumari
Date Posted: 08-Jun-2013 at 15:08
Originally posted by Nick1986
The Mongols, too. I have a feeling the Huns and the Xiongnu were of the same race. |
You are completely right. I have too much DNA-evidence with linguistic WALS-project and at least two (2) ex-languages of Xiongnu are still alive telling that Hun means only "herdsman". Atila means "VICTORY".
Mongols? Please do not forget at the same time N1c1 and R1a1 (Surprise?) Uralic trbes among them!
|
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 15-Jun-2013 at 20:55
Did the Huns bind the skulls of their infants (like the Aztecs)?
-------------
Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains!
|
Posted By: Hukumari
Date Posted: 16-Jun-2013 at 10:03
Originally posted by Nick1986
Did the Huns bind the skulls of their infants (like the Aztecs)?
|
Jeees!
These other cultures include those in ancient Iraq, Russia, Melanesia, Malta, North America, Mexico, and possibly Egypt during the Amarna period: Tutankhamen has been cited as having an elongated head, but that is disputed by many scholars.
At least Nefertiti had such elongated skull.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paracas_culture
Even the Scythians used elongated skulls.
|
Posted By: tommy
Date Posted: 22-Jul-2013 at 22:13
Chinese historical records stated that Xiongnu had destoryed a nation called "Alans", and the Romans also said that the Huns had destoryed the Alans, before they rode into the Roman Empire>
-------------
leung
|
Posted By: Hukumari
Date Posted: 25-Jul-2013 at 09:56
Originally posted by tommy
Chinese historical records stated that Xiongnu had destoryed a nation called "Alans", and the Romans also said that the Huns had destoryed the Alans, before they rode into the Roman Empire> |
Really
they have mentioned Alans many times in the history.
Since
the Ossetians (north) are considered to be the descendants of the
Alans, and G2a1a and R1a-Z93
haplogroups may be the most possible haplogroups of Alanic or
Sarmatian ancestry. As a matter of fact the Alans “disappeared”
after attacking against Rome from Tunisia. Before it was difficult to
find the Suar (Sabir) of today but it is more difficult – not
impossible - to localize Alans in complete “diaspora” now.
Due
to the history they should be found in Iberia, Tunisia, Morocco and
Italy and indeed I found the first ones by surname and haplotypes in
Tunisia and Morocco. Referring to the military history they have been
found in England as well. A lot of their surnames are known using
many public DNA-projects. It will be interesting to see if Stalin
(G2a) from Ossetia was Alan as well.
|
Posted By: benzin
Date Posted: 25-Jul-2013 at 10:43
|
Alans didnt disappear at all. There is endless sources about the alans. They used their language until the 17th century in hungary.
|
|