Turkish Cypriot - Preservation of Oghuz Turkish?
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Topic: Turkish Cypriot - Preservation of Oghuz Turkish?
Posted By: Bulldog
Subject: Turkish Cypriot - Preservation of Oghuz Turkish?
Date Posted: 17-Mar-2013 at 18:15
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The Turkish spoken by Turkish Cypriots may be one of the best preservations of middle-age Oghuz Turkish. There are many archaic words and also terms which are shared with the Turkish spoken in Turkmenistan, Azerbaycan, Iran etc ------------- What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal. Albert Pine |
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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 17-Mar-2013 at 19:47
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So the Turkish Cypriots first arrived during the Middle Ages? I thought it was more recent
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Posted By: Bulldog
Date Posted: 17-Mar-2013 at 22:45
From the late 1500's but their Turkish is a continuation of the Oghuz Turkish spoke by Turkmen tribes who had were nomadic/semi-nomadic so in remote villages we can see some of the best preservations of Turkish from that era. ------------- What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal. Albert Pine |
Posted By: TITAN_
Date Posted: 18-Mar-2013 at 04:35
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After the Ottoman empire expanded to Greece and the Greek isles, the Turks began to settle on all regions, beginning with Cyprus, Crete and other major islands. ------------- αἰὲν ἀριστεύειν Een aristevin “Ever to Excel“ From Homer's Iliad (8th century BC). Motto of the University of St Andrews (founded 1410), the Edinburgh Academy (founded 1824) and others. |
Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 18-Mar-2013 at 05:02
Today, when we mention about Turkish, it is actually Istanbul dialect. As you said before, Turkish Cypriots didn't affect it. Their origin is probably nomadic people in Middle Tauros. Differences between standard Turkish and Cypriot Turkish http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_51333 - http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_51333 Cypriot Turkish Language http://www.cypnet.co.uk/ncyprus/people/cypturks/language.html - http://www.cypnet.co.uk/ncyprus/people/cypturks/language.html there is list in here cypriot turkish words and turkish words. My grandma is also using some words as "avlu"(garden) instead of turkish "bahçe" or "darı"(corn) instead of turkish "mısır" so there are also more close Turkish dialects to Cypriot Turkish then Istanbul dialect and also I find it very interesting Turkish Cypriot:Nation Cypriot Turkish:Language  ------------- Ellerin Kabe'si var, Benim Kabem İnsandır |
Posted By: TITAN_
Date Posted: 18-Mar-2013 at 05:15
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Before 1974, there was no Turkish Cypriot nation, only a Turkish minority in the Republic of Cyprus. Anyway, the Cyprus debate is NOT for this part of the forum. ------------- αἰὲν ἀριστεύειν Een aristevin “Ever to Excel“ From Homer's Iliad (8th century BC). Motto of the University of St Andrews (founded 1410), the Edinburgh Academy (founded 1824) and others. |
Posted By: yomud
Date Posted: 18-Mar-2013 at 10:19
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Cypriot Turkish very very close to us but still not the same !btw uk english is not same with australia english but its still good we turkmens here have Tremendous difference here ! :o and we have some differences with istanbul turkish 2 see this bin=men olur=bolor ikmek=chorog kadin/bayan=heleyi ....... we dont have "s" and "z" directly so we use "th" for that :D "s" like (s)thunder "z" like (z)that ! see this ! sen=then :O biz= bith :O our "R" Pronunciation is like italian ones now turkmen vs turkmen ! iranian turkmens turn every kh to H (we dont have KH) turkmenistan turkmen turn every h to kh ( they dont have H :O) see this turkmen=turkhmen ! bahar = bakhar hazar = khazar ahmet= akhmet mehmet = mokhmet ! :O i think every turkmen tribes has it's own languages ------------- yomud are free people |
Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 18-Mar-2013 at 10:57
There is no need an independent state to be called as a nation. A nation may refer to a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Community - community of people who share a common language, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture - culture , http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnicity - ethnicity , descent, or history. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation Turkish Cypriots are not some kind of minority as Maronites, Latin Catholics and Armenians in Cyprus. They are "constituent people" with Cypriot Greeks. If you were happy, I can use nation for Cypriot but Greek-Turkish communities and minority for Armenians and Maronites http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenians_in_Cyprus - ------------- Ellerin Kabe'si var, Benim Kabem İnsandır |
Posted By: TITAN_
Date Posted: 18-Mar-2013 at 11:40
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There was one state, not 2. ------------- αἰὲν ἀριστεύειν Een aristevin “Ever to Excel“ From Homer's Iliad (8th century BC). Motto of the University of St Andrews (founded 1410), the Edinburgh Academy (founded 1824) and others. |
Posted By: Bulldog
Date Posted: 18-Mar-2013 at 14:22
I'm confused? Cyprus is the name of the island not a nation in it's traditional sense. The two main nations are the Turks and Greeks. Anyway back to the topic. Turks of Cyprus say for example, Hacanda, a word used in Turkmenistan, Azerbaycan, in parts of Anatolia but not in formal Istanbul Turkish, there are many other such examples. ------------- What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal. Albert Pine |
Posted By: Qaradag
Date Posted: 18-Mar-2013 at 17:40
Very interesting, those examples are same as Azerbaijani Turkish. |
Posted By: TITAN_
Date Posted: 19-Mar-2013 at 14:27
Until 1974, it was one state, one country where a Greek majority and a Turkish minority co-existed. ------------- αἰὲν ἀριστεύειν Een aristevin “Ever to Excel“ From Homer's Iliad (8th century BC). Motto of the University of St Andrews (founded 1410), the Edinburgh Academy (founded 1824) and others. |
Posted By: Bulldog
Date Posted: 19-Mar-2013 at 15:42
Describing 1960-74 as co-existence is far from the truth. ------------- What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal. Albert Pine |
Posted By: Ollios
Date Posted: 20-Mar-2013 at 00:23
Thanks God  ------------- Ellerin Kabe'si var, Benim Kabem İnsandır |
Posted By: TITAN_
Date Posted: 20-Mar-2013 at 03:11
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Even before 1960, Turks and Greeks coexisted in Cyprus for centuries... ------------- αἰὲν ἀριστεύειν Een aristevin “Ever to Excel“ From Homer's Iliad (8th century BC). Motto of the University of St Andrews (founded 1410), the Edinburgh Academy (founded 1824) and others. |
Posted By: Bulldog
Date Posted: 20-Mar-2013 at 07:34
Pre-British era there were actually quite a few mixed villages, post-British era this gradually reduced, violence started as Turks and Greeks wrestled for more power. The Greek majority naturally felt they should be in charge but Turkey wasn't going to allow another Crete or Rhodes and Greece also saw an opportunity. In short Cyprus was like an outpost for Greece and Turkey with the British intentionally/unintentionally stirring the pot. ------------- What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal. Albert Pine |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 20-Mar-2013 at 19:47
I see. So these "Turks" were descendents of Muslim immigrants rather than Greek islanders who had converted to Islam? ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Bulldog
Date Posted: 20-Mar-2013 at 20:57
The Ottomans had a policy of sending their more 'unruly' Oghuz (Turkmen) tribes to frontier territories after expansion. Tribes from the Karaman and Konya regions, later also from Kayseri were sent to Cyprus. The Turkish spoken shares more archaic Turkish sounds, words and is an interesting study for linguists. ------------- What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal. Albert Pine |