Ancestors of ancient baloch people..?
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Topic: Ancestors of ancient baloch people..?
Posted By: Alyazia
Subject: Ancestors of ancient baloch people..?
Date Posted: 26-Jun-2012 at 01:59
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Who were the ancestors of baloch people during ancient. I read that they were the medes, but i also read at the same time that the medes are the ancestors of kurds.. I'm confused someone help me in this please  ------------- (: |
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Posted By: Alyazia
Date Posted: 26-Jun-2012 at 02:00
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Who were the ancestors of baloch people during ancient times**
forgot to write times** :$ ------------- (: |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 26-Jun-2012 at 13:05
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Apparently the Medes, Kurds, Turks, Huns and Tatars share common ancestors: the mongoloid Scythians of central Asia, some of whom went west and intermarried with the ancestors of the Celts, and others who remained in the East and produced the Huns and Tatars
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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 26-Jun-2012 at 15:17
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The ancestors of Baloch people were ancient Baluchis, the ancestors of Kurdish people were ancient Kurds, and Medes are an extinct people, there is no reason to consider an ancient people as the ancestors of another people because we don't have much recorded history about the ancestors of the second people. ------------- 
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Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 26-Jun-2012 at 19:14
But who were the ancestors of the ancient Balochis, Kurds and Medes? ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 26-Jun-2012 at 20:02
| i always thought that balochis and kurds both were descended from the medes :P |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 26-Jun-2012 at 20:09
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Posted By: Alyazia
Date Posted: 26-Jun-2012 at 20:13
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it was me i forgot to login before replying :D ------------- (: |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 27-Jun-2012 at 00:23
Were Romans the the ancestors of the ancient Greeks? These people have different ethnicity and culture. -------------
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Posted By: TITAN_
Date Posted: 27-Jun-2012 at 15:11
No. The Romans and the Greeks were distinct ethnic groups until the conquest of Greece by Rome. Roman identity and language was lost during the Byzantine era. Greek identity and language survived till now. |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 27-Jun-2012 at 19:10
No. It's thought the Romans were descended from Trojan refugees led by Aenas ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: Alyazia
Date Posted: 27-Jun-2012 at 21:20
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The medes are the ancestors of kurds and balochs i was just reading that on wikipedia. ------------- (: |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 28-Jun-2012 at 19:41
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The Medes are a very ancient race. They are mentioned in the bible: the Medai descended from Japeth who lived among the Semites ------------- Me Grimlock not nice Dino! Me bash brains! |
Posted By: PakistaniShield
Date Posted: 29-Jun-2012 at 22:14
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I believe the medes separated into various ethnicities including Kurds, Baloch. etc. Both mentioned peoples speak Iranic languages belonging to the northwestern branch, so it's a good guess that they are closely related. Balochi language is northwestern Iranic like Kurdish and if not mistaken lori
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Posted By: oxydracae
Date Posted: 12-Jul-2012 at 14:31
| How can Baluch and Kurds be descendants of Medes... as far as I know, Medes had urban civilization way back 2500 years ago whereas Kurds and Baluchs have till date tribal culture. |
Posted By: Nick1986
Date Posted: 12-Jul-2012 at 19:06
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Civilisations can decline as well as advance. Take Europe after the Romans left: the tribes soon reverted to barbarism while their former masters became increasingly weak and decadent
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Posted By: PakistaniShield
Date Posted: 08-Aug-2013 at 13:06
I don't think that's correct. The Scythians did mix with the Mongoloids of the Altai, but pure Scythians were Caucasoid peoples as per skull and bone classification. The Scythians were an Iranic people and so were the Medes. ------------- http://pakhub.info">
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Posted By: balochii
Date Posted: 08-Aug-2013 at 20:51
| Generically baloch seem to be very ancient people, they seem to be the descendants of the farmers that arrived to south asia from the middle east, sometime 9000-12000 years ago |
Posted By: PakistaniShield
Date Posted: 09-Aug-2013 at 00:46
I don't think that's accurate either. The Baloch are an off-shoot of the Medes who arrived around 5 centuries ago in South-Central Asia presumably from the Caspian basin. Balochi is a northwestern Iranic language. ------------- http://pakhub.info">
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Posted By: mojobadshah
Date Posted: 09-Aug-2013 at 20:19
The Medes were East Iranian speakers, and if that's the case, how can they be the ancestors of the Baloch if they're northwestern Iranic speakers? Is the epyonym Baloch related to Skr. Bahlika Pash. Balkh, present day Bactria?
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Posted By: PakistaniShield
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2013 at 00:06
Medes were Northwestern iranic speakers, like the Kurds and Baloch and other northwestern Iranic population descended from them. ------------- http://pakhub.info">
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Posted By: mojobadshah
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2013 at 12:46
Didn't the Medes speak a language that was closer to Avestan and Scythic languages than Persian?
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Posted By: PakistaniShield
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2013 at 14:19
Nope those were the ancestors of the Pakhtuns. Pakhtuns speak an eastern iranic language closer to Avestan. The medes spanned across most of modern day Iran right up till eastern Anatolia (today's Turkey). The Balochis are most likely an off-shoot of Median tribes who roamed and settled eastward. Here's a map of the Median empire: http://www.iranchamber.com/history/median/median.php ------------- http://pakhub.info">
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Posted By: PakistaniShield
Date Posted: 10-Aug-2013 at 14:24
The Scythian languages were Northern Iranic languages, not Eastern like Avestan or Pakhtun. Scythian spanned the Northern Eurasian steppes along present day Russia, Kazakhstan, Siberia, Mongolia, Ukraine etc. They did move southward to invade the Persian empire I believe but that was later. ------------- http://pakhub.info">
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Posted By: Ince
Date Posted: 13-Aug-2013 at 09:45
The term Scythian was also likely also applied to Non-Iranic tribes in the North aswell. I doubt all groups that lived under what was Scythia were Iranic speaking. It be like saying every group under the Ottomans were Turks. Language of the Iranic speaking Scythians is not known much, it could be that some spoke neither East Or West Iranian language. The East and West drift is rather recent thing the history of the Iranic languages and many of them influenced eachother. In this article the person finds that Kurdish languages have a close tie to Scythian, even tho Kurdish is classed as West Iranian. http://s155239215.onlinehome.us/turkic/40_Language/StetsyukHtm/StetsyukB2ch5En.htm The Saka were also heavly present in the Middle-East earleir then you might think. Their capital was in Saqqez,Kurdistan Province Iran. I believe there was contact between the Iranian speaking people around the Black sea and the Iranians of the Middle-East. Like for example the Alans are known to have been in the middle-east as Kurdish regions were called "Ard'Alan" and the Name Alan is also popular among some Kurds. It could be that the reason Ossetiens call themselves "Iron" could be the ancient interaction between Alans in Greater Iran and the Alans in the North caucasus. |
Posted By: Roman Sakhan
Date Posted: 18-Jan-2019 at 22:36
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Baluch are not Arabs and not Persians, Baloches from Kurdistan, they were neighbors of Arabs, Europeans and Caucasians, and had trade contacts with ancient India, therefore
in the 20th century, British historians confused them with the Arabs, with the Indians, with the Turkomans. Baluch and Kurds are the first Aryans in the ancient Assyrian inscriptions are referred to as Karduhu and Balluhu. There are no differences between Kurds and Baluchs, for example, Baluchs are close to Kurds, as were the Parthians who were very close to the Medes in language and culture, but the Parthians, in contrast to the Medes, wandered to different places at different times and Baloch nomads, but Balochs want to change their history and go to the Arabs, this policy is just to destroy their history ... The Baluchs believe that they come from medieval Arabs from Syria to seek revenge on the Yazid they sought help, or fled from a terrible war between Ali and the infidels, the Baluchs claim that they were Ali warriors, if so? Then there is one fact that confirm it!
Between the wars of Ali and Kafirs there was a lot of bloodshed, most of the warriors Ali abandoned this, and Ali called them Harejitas, under the Gaznavid power in Makran (Baluchistan) there was a state of the Madanid dynasty, which the Arabs called Harejits, but Gardezi mentions them as the country of Balush .. .
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