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Are Kurds Descended From the Medes? Printed From: History Community ~ All Empires Category: Regional History or Period History Forum Name: Ancient Mesopotamia, Near East and Greater Iran Forum Discription: Babylon, Egypt, Persia and other civilizations of the Near East from ancient times to 600s AD URL: http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=31381 Printed Date: 28-Mar-2024 at 08:44 Software Version: Web Wiz Forums 9.56a - http://www.webwizforums.com Topic: Are Kurds Descended From the Medes? Posted By: Angrals Subject: Are Kurds Descended From the Medes? Date Posted: 16-Mar-2012 at 15:19
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http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=St8-AAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=Outlines+of+universal+history:+in+three+parts%3B+with+a+copious&hl=en&sa=X&ei=nSlrT-6OKePC0QX81s3IBg&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false - Outlines of universal history: in three parts; with a copious - By Joseph J. Reed Then their are other Kurds who live further away like in other parts of Kurdistan, like the Kurds in Kurdistan province, they probably descend from the ancient Iranians that inhabited that part, their is even still a tribe who call themselves Ard'Alan. Even in Fars province their is a Kurdish tribe by the name of http://www.cais-soas.com/CAIS/Anthropology/Kurds/kurdish_tribes.htm - Saqqez who also live in other parts of Iran. The large Shabankara tribe that inhabited the southern Zagros who's name still survives in the Kurdish tribe by the same name who live in northern parts of Kermanshah. I believe Kurds are a mix of different Iranic groups, who adopted the term Kurd. As the the term Kurd had different meanings pre-islamic era like Nomads. Unlike other Kurds I do not hold on to the Medes as the ancestors of the Kurds, the Medes were located further east and only Kurds who live in those regions descend from them like some Kurds in Kurdistan province and Kermansheh and also some parts of Iraqi Kurdistan. |
I just find that unnecesarry, to be mentioned in first place, and to mention something made-up as a fact. We cannot become "Turkified" because we ARE Turks. "Azeri" name to describe people of Azerbaijan are a very new one like said. I m not sure what you mean by "Albanian example", as these are 2 whole different things... In Iran today the ethnic designation are Turk and language Turki. Only official designation by state is "Azeri", but that is rarely used among peopl. If we take a look at history of northern Azerbaijan, the ethnich name during Russian empire period for Azerbaijani Turks was Tatar. Today's Iraqi Turkomans in fact speak a dialect of South Azeri Turkish. I would say that Turkoman is the real name of Azeri Turks, as it was our name during most of medieval times. But later it changed to Turk. Iraqi Azerbaijanis are still called Turkoman because they were fortunate enough to not become affected by assimiliation policy of Iran or Soviet Union... |
The medieval states of Kara-Koyunlu and Ak-Koyunlu, both Turkoman, spoke Azerbaijani Turkish as their language. We know it because we have texts surviving from them. It's Azerbaijani Turkish, and not Anatolian or Central Asian Turkmen. Uzun Hasan's letters in Azerbaijani Turkish survives to this day. Now there is a direct connection between these states and Azerbaijani Turks...Can someone tell me what kind of connection can there be between Medes and Azerbaijani Turks in this regard? So I don't understand why some people, instead of facts, stick to fantasy for their liking... |
The Kurdish Aryan race of the Proto-Indo-European
(Aryan: The land of Fire of Zagrosian race) The bride and groom of kurdish The bride and groom of kurds The Kurdish bride and groom The Kurdish (Median/Medes) dance culture The Kurdish holy fire of the Newroz (Kurdish new year) and the kurdish dance culture The Kurdish girls in national dress of Amed (Median/Medes) or DiyarBakir in North Kurdistan The face of kurdish women The kurdish dance culture of two kurdish women The castle of kurds and the national kurdish dress for women in northern Kurdistan The kurdish men of kurdistan mountains The kurdish bride and groom the face of kurdish girl in traditional dress The Kurdish Mother and her girls face of kurdish men ------------- ZaraGiyan |
yes i was once reading that too
kurds and balochs are the descendants of medes, they both have the same origin that explains why there language is very close to one another
but from their looks; i was also shocked, but from what i also read that they look different because balochs had dravidian neighbours called brahui so they probably mixed with them which gave them their darker complexion then kurds
but thats only my research, im not an expert or something ------------- (: |
Is there any connection between Kurds and ancient Gutians who conquered Mesopotamia in 2214 BC ? |
Not any connection receiving scientific back up. Only scattered assumptions. But for sure Kurds have been living in the same territory that once Gutians used to settle. ------------- Quaere Verum |
I at all didn't want to destroy your lovely conversation more similar to gossips of old women sitting on bench, however is compelled to cool you and your discussion by the real primary sources. Juel Oppert: http://archive.org/stream/OnTheMedianDynastyItsNationalityAndItsChronology1874/Oppert1874OnTheMedianDynastyItsNationalityAndItsChronology_djvu.txt - http://archive.org/stream/OnTheMedianDy ... y_djvu.txt "THE MEDIAN DYNASTY. 45 There existed also a neuter form of the verb gin : ginnigit ginnigiyut ginnikti ginniktip « ginrik ginrip The substantive verb is da and du. Dtwa or dava, I was ; dus or das, he was ; dtwan or davan, I am. The Median language has a much greater affinity to the Tatar idioms than the Sumerian; 1 but it forms a separate class together with the Susian. I have, for twenty years, paid attention to these most difficult texts, and there are a great number of passages now easily to be understood by the aid of our scanty Median knowledge. My explanations have been laid down in a paper addressed to the first Congress of Orientalists held at Paris (vol. ii. p. 179 ss.). " Moreover, the second Bekhistun record which was was identified always with Medean language, it appeared pure Tatar language. And when I read the glossary of medean language investigated by J.Oppert, found out that all glossary of medean language for 100 % - the Tatar words. ------------- In search of Truth we are limited to knowledge tools and consequently our idea of Truth includes also a certain mistake. |
What now the Medes were Turks . Honestly other people should really stop trying to lay claim to the Ancient Iranians. The Greeks clearly mentioned that the language spoken from Media/Persian to Sogdian was the same langauge with different dialects. Not forgeting that Persians and Medes understood eachother, oh wait Persians are also really Turks. |
))) I think that your cheerful spirit will help you to transfer and the following blow:ancient Persians were more black some coal, is more black, than Afro-Semites. Frescos in Persepolis's ruins argue absolutely incontestably: Persians were the negroid people. The language of ancient persian fixed in plates can't be carried to modern Persian or Tajik language. Ancient persian language was Afro-Semitic language. By the way, the modern European languages concerning barbarians - to paleoeuropeans, have the essential general glossary with Afro-Semitic languages. Moreover, both language groups, both Afro-Semitic and paleoeuropean have one general initial afro haplogroup IJ. Modern Iranian language more than for 75 % consists of LOANS from Arab and Sumerian=Tatarian of languages. The Iranian official linguists who have arrived to Kazan with official delegation, approved it two years ago.
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If it is interesting to someone, I can write a transliteration of words
from a breast of this mumifical "companion".Words were written on the
Persian option of a cuneiform writing. I assume in connection with
presented information that Persians came to the south Mesopotamia
together or after Kushitian. If you doubt that the Iranian and Tajik languages for 75 % consist of loans from Tatar=Sumerian language, I to you can give in quality of the argument all the interpretations of the most ancient protocuneiform writing on Earth, protocuneiform writings of Sumer. ------------- In search of Truth we are limited to knowledge tools and consequently our idea of Truth includes also a certain mistake. |
Moreover, if you VERY MUCH want to continue to challenge my arguments, I can present you as argument my interpretations of the plates relating to culture of Vinka or Vincha which archeologists stratify in 7000 years! Imagine, and the culture of Vincha-Vinka spoke on Turk=Tatar=Sumerian language.
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Soon as I saw that you claimed the Persians were black, I know you are some Ultra-Nationalist. Honestly? Old Persians were Afro-Asiatic?. You are either one of those Afrocentric morons or just a really nutcase Turk. Again i will say, the Greeks clearly mentioned that The Medes,Persians were of the same people. Not only that but language spoken from Mede-Persian to Sogdian and Bactria was the same or as they called the region known as Aria. I should not even bother with you as you seem like a wright loon. You come to the forum and try and insult Iranians by making such idiotic claims. |
Where you saw an insult of Iranians in my message? You consider as an insult what ancient Persians were negroid? It not an insult, it is the Truth. I respect any ethnos and any race on Earth. Why you consider shameful to be Afro-Semite with black skin? On mine, you are the racist with infantile thinking.
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You confuse ancient Persian=Afrosemitian to Turkic peoples - Parthian. Parthian were absolutely precisely Turkic peoples with Turkic language. The word Parthian should be transliterated as PARSian=BARSian, and these Barsian from Barsilia - my direct relatives. Names of founders of the empire Medean are the Tatar names: Аkhemen and his son - Chish-Pish. So your shouts about statements of ancient Greeks the simply DOUBTFUL. Ancient Greeks declared about Barsians and мedean as relative 2500-2000 years ago. Turkic peoples were ELITE of all people of Mesopotamia, India and Eurasia at that time.
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Ince, rude words and insults are not allowed on thos forum. You may disagree with the position of anyone, but you cannot insult his personality. Accusations of nationalism also don't contribute for a constructive dialog. Consider this your warning DQ ------------- |
Look narrowly more attentively: Lineal descendants of speaking on a Sanskrit now the most dark-pigmented ethnoses - Tamils and inhabitants of Sri Lanka. Some groups in these ethnoses are more black on skin color, than any African. On a gold plate on a breast of a negroid mummy I transliterated an inscription. There obviously ancient Persian language which is related to a Sanskrit. Medieval Persian language was able ALREADY reforms because of influence of Tatar=Sumerian language. And modern Persian language, as well as the Tajik language, are strongly changed thanks to influence of the Tatar language and are KOJNE from Tatar=Sumerian of the glossary!
On Indo-European, Semitic, Afro-Semitic, Indian, Chinese there are no words of related semantics to the words AR, ER, IR.But in the Tatar language these words the Husband, the Man, the Person mean. Moreover, the words ARYI, ARIA on a Sanskrit were meant by "Stranger", "Newcomer". And one more argument: Sumerian were carriers Turkic haplogroups R1a1 and R1b!!! Precisely also Tatars also remain carriers of this blood still!
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I consider Kurds as descendants from Turk=Skuthae and from negroid Semites of Mesopotamia. As proof I will give the following argument: 1) Kurdish women in the ancient time always independently chose to themselves sexual partners, and preferred always gallant Turkic guys. 2) The remains of this matriarchy remained at Kurdish families still! 3) Scythians called this tribe of OJERPATA, OJORPATA. I will decipher this Scythian word from the point of view of the Tatar language: OJERPATA=OJERP+ATA. AJERyP = "Separated", "Divided" - in the Tatar language, and witnesses at a pronunciation of this word always hear - OJERyP because vowel sounds A and O in the Tatar language are said is closed. ATA = "Father". OJERPATA=OJORPATA =" Separated fathers". It means that negroid Kurdish women once and for all separated men from the families, and preferred always Turkic peoples as sexual partners!
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This is all well and good, however I haven't seen any posting of credible, peer reviwed sources for any of this.
En-sze, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. ------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |
Zaratushtra - это Сумерское слово, которое я расшифрую на базе Татарского языка для вас, уважаемые любители Истории: Zara=Sara=SARY="Жёлтый", "Золотой" на Татарском языке. Tush="Тело","Грудь", "Фигура" на Татарском языке. TRA=T(u)RA="Вождь", "Предводитель", "Начальник" на Татарском языке. ZARATUSHTRA= "Одетый в золото предводитель", "Златогрудый вождь". =================================================== Zaratushtra is a Sumerian word which I will decipher on the basis of the Tatar language for you, dear fans of History: Zara=Sara=SARY = "Yellow", "Gold" in the Tatar language. Tush = "Body", "Breast", "Figure" in the Tatar language. TRA=T (u) RA = "Leader", "Chief" in the Tatar language. ZARATUSHTRA = "The leader dressed in gold", "Gold Body the leader". ------------- In search of Truth we are limited to knowledge tools and consequently our idea of Truth includes also a certain mistake. |
Specify, please, and in which occasion I should provide what extraordinary proofs to you? Whether you read the works of J.Oppert devoted to interpretations of languages of Mesopotamia? ------------- In search of Truth we are limited to knowledge tools and consequently our idea of Truth includes also a certain mistake. |
Two Questions. 1. Are you in reference to Kurds of Modern Turky or Kurds in total located in a variety of regions? 2. Your opinion on the Genographic Project? https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/ - https://genographic.nationalgeographic.com/ And a bonus question your comments on the following: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00439-003-1031-4 - http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs00439-003-1031-4 ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
ZaRaTuSTRa=Gossipy arm noises present&presentable(dream and arm)!If it sounds like it this can help you maybe!Was he a magician that tells the future? |
Do the Folk dances have a pattern:3 steps front&2back and 6 front&3 back,Antalia? |
I do not want to stop your violent and on anything not the reasonable imagination, but I will remind you that images which you try to create, have no relation to psychology (mentality) of ancient people. You use ways of the modern art and modern theater. It is inadmissible by consideration the most ancient names and things. At that time everything was concrete, rough and clear. ------------- In search of Truth we are limited to knowledge tools and consequently our idea of Truth includes also a certain mistake. |
What you mean about? Write, please is clearer. Probably you mean here these Persian dances which cause feeling of a Homeric laughter in me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HRUCcFZoPg&feature=player_embedded ------------- In search of Truth we are limited to knowledge tools and consequently our idea of Truth includes also a certain mistake. |
1) I speak first of all about the Kurds having nomadic culture. Regardless of the place of residence, regardless of the accommodation country. 2) Genografic researches help us to define precisely, when and where great Turkic peoples =Sumerian influenced on to Ethnogenez barbarians of Mesopotamia, Europe, India, China and Africa. I write about it surely because initial haplogroup R1 even already 20-28000 years ago was Turkic. The last site which you presented me too will help me, thanks.
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Your welcome. And thanks for your reply. ------------- "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence" S. T. Friedman Pilger's law: 'If it's been officially denied, then it's probably true' |
What means a word KURD? From the point of view of the Sumerian language words EN-GUR = "Brotherhood", "Community", "People", "Flight of adherents".From the words EN = "Brother" and from the word GUR (t) = "Community","Group", "Tribe", "People". From the point of view of the Turkic languages fixed in the Middle Ages, the word GURT is meant by "Family", "Flight", "Band", "Group". In the Tatar language the word GURT is meant by "Flight", "Group", "Band", "Community", "Family". Concerning nomads always it is necessary to use the concept GURT = "Flight".ONLY.It is meant the pack of wolves. ------------- In search of Truth we are limited to knowledge tools and consequently our idea of Truth includes also a certain mistake. |
Kurdish People (Median/Medes) " The children of the Sun and Fire"[TUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=du1XxsOWrNU[/TUBE] Kurdish Luwian-Hittite empire language / History/ Religion(Kurdî: Shahenshahî Hattî/Lowî yan Ziman/Ziwan / Dîrok / Ol[TUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=na-ODjROg_4[/TUBE] The Hattî´s/Hattians "Incoming - have come (Gods)" That must very good to know, the Kurds have self-nature religion is the sun and fire culture...and here we see the kurds in anatolia Kurdish Hattuşa (Hittites or Hatti/Hattu) Sun lesson of kurds!!! "- why did the Hîttît-Hattîs, the name of the great king turned to its Kurdish name? - why did the Hîttît-Hattîs, prayers were made in Kurdish? -why did the Hîttît-Hattîs, why they were singing in Kurdish? - why did the Hîttît-Hattîs, the gods had their names Kurdish?" Akademîya Selahaddîn Mihotulî /Civilizations of Aryan Kurds (Book) [TUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjDQeitat2E[/TUBE] Derinkuyu Underground City is an ancient multi-level underground city of the Median Medes Empire in the Derinkuyu district in Nevşehir (Kurdish: Nev-New Sher "The New/middle city") Province, Anatolia. With its five floors extending to a depth of approximately 60 m, it was large enough to shelter approximately 20,000 people together with their livestock and food stores. It is the largest excavated underground city in Anatolia and is one of several underground complexes found across Goreme (Kurdish: "Gora Me": our grave) Cappadocia (Qapadozia (Kurdish: secret place). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derinkuyu_Underground_City PTERIA: Lost City of Kurdish Median/ Medes empire[TUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mo1V2hojfL8[/TUBE] The ancient Kurdish city of Pteria was burned, destroyed and abandoned due to the long-running war between the Medes (Kurdish) and the Lydians in central Anatolia. The Kurdish ruins of the ancient settlement uncovered at Mt. Kerkenes in Yozgat belonged to the lost ancient kurdish city of Pteria Median empire, said the Yozgat Museum in a written statement. The statement, released by Yozgat Museum Director Mustafa Akkaya to the Yozgat Governor's Office, said the archaeological evidence showed that Mt. Kerkenes is what a Greek historian once mentioned as the lost ancient city of Pteria. Excavations have been ongoing in the area since 1993 by a team led by Geoffrey Summers and Scott Branting, academics at Middle East Technical University. He said Kerkenes was a first degree archaeological site and the largest Iron Age settlement area in Anatolia. The founder of the city chose this particular location due to its geographical convenience for defense and travel routes. The administrative, religious and military structures in the city indicate that it was originally established for long-term settlement. But archaeological surveys show that the city was burned, destroyed and abandoned due to the long-running war between the Medes and the Lydians in central Anatolia, he said. Noting that the war, also known as the Battle of the Eclipse, between the Medes and the Lydians ended with a solar eclipse on May 28, 585 B.C., which was perceived as an omen that the gods wanted the fighting to stop, he said the ancient city of Pteria was built after the war and that the Battle of the Eclipse actually helped to promote Kerkenes to the world. Akkaya said Mt. Kerkenes is surrounded by seven kilometers of stone walls containing seven gates that enclose 2.5 square kilometers, adding: The ancient city of Pteria was invaded many times by the Mede and Lydian empires. Thus, the establishment of the city was never completed. [TUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vU2cP28TRDI[/TUBE] The Kurdish Scythian Language[TUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8PuBa__VXg[/TUBE] Underground City, Cappadocia (Kurdish: Qaba Dizya,Qapadozia or Kapadozia= Secret place) Goreme (Kurdish: "Gora Me": our grave) [TUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wk4WiHODBT4[/TUBE] Kurdish Castle of Median/Medes Empire------------- ZaraGiyan |
Kurdish folk music " Lo Bra no / Lo Lo" (The Lords of Bothers / The Lord of Lords) [TUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgzN0_ezqhs[/TUBE] The Great Kurdish Median/Medes empire [TUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgLOTJkrLos[/TUBE] The Ahura Mazda's fighters: the Kurds ( Median/Medes) / Kurdistan Zagros-Taurus Mountains [TUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIXtNcLWmAs[/TUBE] Kurdish folk music "Lo Miro" (Immortal Lords)------------- ZaraGiyan |
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