jesus helped how??
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Topic: jesus helped how??
Posted By: BIG D
Subject: jesus helped how??
Date Posted: 01-Dec-2010 at 13:13
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how did jesus help the world??-- |
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Posted By: balochii
Date Posted: 01-Dec-2010 at 14:50
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by bringing morals to society???? same with Moses and Muhammad(pbuh) |
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 01-Dec-2010 at 16:11
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What are these morals? They have talked about envy, greed, murder, lust and other immoral actions? People didn't know bad things are bad? I'm interested to know what they have said about slavery? They could help the world, if they fought to abolish slavery. ------------- 
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Posted By: balochii
Date Posted: 01-Dec-2010 at 16:26
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^ it is a fact that judeo/christian/islamic laws and morals were stronger then the pre-existing ones in the middle east, thats why so many people got attracted to these religions to begin with. Ofcourse there are certian things like (slavery) which weren't abolished mostly because of (business) reasons, slavery was an industry back then. However many many other bad practices were indeed abolished. no matter how you look at it, from a religious or non religious view, these faiths help grew their socities for the better.
also the sense of equality and justice that these religions brought were the main reason they grew
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Posted By: eaglecap
Date Posted: 01-Dec-2010 at 16:33
He can send me a Mercedez Benz  ------------- Λοιπόν, αδελφοί και οι συμπολίτες και οι στρατιώτες, να θυμάστε αυτό ώστε μνημόσυνο σας, φήμη και ελευθερία σας θα ε |
Posted By: GovnaWatts
Date Posted: 06-Dec-2010 at 01:29
| He provided a way of life that emphasized on not harming people on the daily |
Posted By: BIG D
Date Posted: 06-Dec-2010 at 07:56
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Posted By: Athena
Date Posted: 06-Dec-2010 at 11:16
However, Jesus did introduce that God is loving and forgiving, and this is a contrast to the the war Gods of the Hebrews and Persians. The Hebrew God was a a jealous, revengeful, fearsome war God, and the God of Zoroastrianism wasn't any better.
However, the God of the Jews wasn't everyone's God. The God of Jews was more of a triblal God than the God of Zoroastrianims, that allow people a chioce, to convert and to be dead, because Zoroastrianism was daulist. The god of Abraham was not daulist, but is of a time when people had in many gods, and each had a patron gods. Jesus said things that made the God less exclusive, opening the way for Paul to say this God accepts anyone who wants to follow Jesus, and they do not have to be circumcised to be one of the flock. This new religion of Christianity being as daulistic as Zoroastrianism though, just not converting with the sword, until much later when the Franks adopt Christianity and start converting with the sword.
Christianity in general is the result of using Roman Law of Nature, a legal tool, to determine truth. This is taking what all the religions have in common, and concluded since it is what everyone believes it is the truth. By deifying Jesus we are able to bridge from an old religion to a new one, but unfortunately the old testament is used to prove the new religion is valid, so Christians swing between a loving and forgiving God, to a jealous, revengeful, and fearsome God, depending on the circumstances.
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Posted By: Athena
Date Posted: 06-Dec-2010 at 11:37
What moral differences? The Golden Rule was high jacked by Christianity. Christians continue to claim everything that is good is theirs and exist because of them. No way, they have good only because they high jacked from someone else. I read they are now Christianizing the Statue of Liberty, which they originally rejected as being a pagan goddess. No one saw democracy in the bible, until there was literacy in Greek and Roman classics, and it got there because Greeks wrote the bible. Logos is a Greek concept meaning reason, and when Jesus was deified, the Greek authors of the bible associate Jesus with logos.
Zoroastrian was much better at bringing an end to slavery. The God of Abraham allows Jews to own slaves, and these their children inherit them. Zoroastrianism claims we all have individual choice, and anyone can be converted at any time. This gets brought into Christianity through Jesus. It also resulted in Islam freeing slaves after a period of learning and conversion, that is not possible for the slave of a Jew.
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Posted By: Athena
Date Posted: 06-Dec-2010 at 11:55
This statement is unworthy of a scholar.
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Posted By: BIG D
Date Posted: 06-Dec-2010 at 12:43
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Posted By: GovnaWatts
Date Posted: 06-Dec-2010 at 20:20
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Posted By: Govna Thomas the 1st
Date Posted: 06-Dec-2010 at 21:02
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Posted By: GovnaWatts
Date Posted: 06-Dec-2010 at 21:09
Case and point. 
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Posted By: BIG D
Date Posted: 07-Dec-2010 at 07:57
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Posted By: BIG D
Date Posted: 07-Dec-2010 at 07:59
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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 07-Dec-2010 at 08:02
I think the name of this way is "crusade". -------------
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Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 07-Dec-2010 at 11:34
There has been a change, we still burn crosses, only there isn't anyone on that cross at the time. I guess that amounts to something.
Christian rules? Maturation of societies happens in natural occurrence. Giving credit to Christianity for something that would occur in time anyway? Come on man, That's almost like thanking the Rooster for bringing the sun up. It's also ignoring all other influences, from all other sources.
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Posted By: GovnaWatts
Date Posted: 07-Dec-2010 at 18:38
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Posted By: Govna Thomas the 1st
Date Posted: 07-Dec-2010 at 21:05
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Posted By: GovnaWatts
Date Posted: 07-Dec-2010 at 22:04
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Posted By: BIG D
Date Posted: 08-Dec-2010 at 08:10
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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 08-Dec-2010 at 13:04
The Christian history says another thing, numerous religious wars, maybe they were not Christian?! Followers of some other religions, like Hindus, can claim to be peaceful, but not followers of Jesus. -------------
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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 08-Dec-2010 at 13:13
What about women?!  I don't see a strong relation between the Bible and Jesus, and also between the Bible and its interpretation.-------------
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Posted By: Govna Thomas the 1st
Date Posted: 08-Dec-2010 at 14:01
| just because ww2 happened does not mean jesus had no impact on the world. jesus taught that violence and murder is wrong, just because some people ignore or refuse to agree with jesus' teaching doesnt mean jesus accomplished nothing. there are indeed individuals out there who changed their ways because of jesus' teachings. and yes people probably already new right from wrong, jesus just tried to reinforce those beliefs. jesus may not have helped the entire world but he did try. |
Posted By: Govna Thomas the 1st
Date Posted: 08-Dec-2010 at 14:09
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Posted By: opuslola
Date Posted: 08-Dec-2010 at 19:29
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I am sorry, but I must have missed a stupid post by red clay? Just what did he reportedly say to get such a response? It does not seem to exist on this site, but of course a mean administrator might actually be able to manage such? Nah! ------------- http://www.quotationspage.com/subjects/history/ |
Posted By: Athena
Date Posted: 08-Dec-2010 at 22:26
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Mithraism was popular in Rome, before Christianity. It came from Zoroastrianism in Persia, and this religion claimed the rule of Persia was supreme and the authority of Truth. The religious belief is Truth was pitted against the Lie and those who did not convert were on the side of the Lie and were to be exterminated. Mithraism carried this idea and was especially appealing to soldiers. Mithraism seems to have been a male religion, that did not involve females. This is what Christianity was competing with, so it is important that Jesus taught to "love thy enemy" and also the Christianity involved females.
Although Christianity is a patriarchical religion, females have faired better with this religion, than they would have with Mithraism or Islam.
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Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 08-Dec-2010 at 22:31
No, it was not a post. It was a Private Message. I have their posts hidden. But if anyone wants to see the whole series, please PM me. The only thing I did was to call them on their game before they got to really have fun. I think those who saw the posts in which they replied to my message will agree I called it fairly well.
In case anyone is wondering, Both of them or him, whatever, are banned. Just the private message thing is enough.
------------- "Arguing with someone who hates you or your ideas, is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter what move you make, your opponent will walk all over the board and scramble the pieces". Unknown. |