Who was Zarathustra? Why is the fire sacred for his followers?
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Topic: Who was Zarathustra? Why is the fire sacred for his followers?
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Subject: Who was Zarathustra? Why is the fire sacred for his followers?
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2005 at 08:17
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Zarathustra, Persian Azardust (Azar=Fire & Dust=Friend), was born in the Assyrian/Chaldean city of Urmia in Azarbaijan (Land of Fire). Look also at this thread: http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=1714&PN=4 - Is there any similarity between Islam and Zoroastrianism? Answers of those questions: http://answering-islam.org.uk/Index/A/abraham.html - http://answering-islam.org.uk/Index/A/abraham.html In Islam, Abraham is also called the Friend of God, Khalilu 'llah and his name, Ibrahim, occurs 69 times in the Qur'an, making him the second most-occuring name of prophets in the Qur'an after Moses. He was supposed to be one of the six prophets in Islam to whom God delivered special laws. He was said to be given twenty portions (suhifah) of scripture. "I am the Lord who brought you from Ur of the Chaldeans". (Genesis 15:7) Nimrod, son of Cush, king over the country ... who took Father Abraham, and cast him into a fierce fire; but the fire grew cool and pleasant unto Abraham, who came out of it after some days. And thereupon his people believed in him. ------------- 
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2005 at 09:51
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Doesnt "Zarathustra" mean the one who brought ancient light? Zarat(Jarat)= Old, ancient and secret, hustra= the one who carries, or brings light, enghlightens people... Also Zoroaster means he secret information of stars (aster=star?)... ------------- |
Posted By: ramin
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2005 at 10:53
Zarat -> Zard (Yellow); it also means old Hushtra; one who carries/bears I've read smwhere Zoroaster was in fact Abraham, the prophet who bore fire!!. ------------- "I won't laugh if a philosophy halves the moon" 
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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2005 at 12:08
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"Baijan" is in fact the Arabicized version of "Patgan" which means "Keeping Place".
Zard means "like gold (Zar)" and that is Zaar (Zaal) which means "old/hoary".
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Posted By: ramin
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2005 at 13:01
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right, then Patgan should be Padegan. Now it makes sense Arabs don't pronounce P and G so they changed it to Baijan.
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Posted By: Rava
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2005 at 14:00
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Scholars are nearly sure about second part of Zarathushtra's name - camel.
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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2005 at 15:07
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Yes, "Ushtra" exactly means "Camel" and Zarathushtra can also means "Golden Camel" but in the Khurda Avesta, his name is Zarduhšt. -------------
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Posted By: azimuth
Date Posted: 30-Mar-2005 at 03:02
as far as i know Prophet Abraham and his father lived around Century 19 BC so there is a big time difference between them i think they may shared similar names
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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 30-Mar-2005 at 05:32
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It is not clear when Zarathustra was born but it can't be earlier than 19th century BC, as I said http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=2583&PN=1 - in this thread , Zoroastrianism has probabley more than 4,000 years old. -------------
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 30-Mar-2005 at 12:26
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He is also called Zerdüşt (Zarduhšt) in Turkish. I thought that he was born about a hundred years before the reign of Darius the Great... ------------- |
Posted By: Berosus
Date Posted: 31-Mar-2005 at 07:17
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I remember an article in Encyclopedia Britannica that gave the years
628-551 B.C. for the lifetime of Zoroaster. This is based on the
assumption that Vishtaspa, his most famous convert, was the father of
King Darius I. If those dates are true, Zoroaster's birth and
death correspond almost exactly with the beginning and end of the
Median kingdom. As for Azerbaijan, I understand that came from Atropates, the satrap of the area in the days of Alexander. Afterwards northwestern Iran was called Atropatene, which was corrupted through translations in many languages to give us modern Azerbaijan. ------------- Nothing truly great is achieved through moderation.--Prof. M.A.R. Barker |
Posted By: ramin
Date Posted: 31-Mar-2005 at 08:28
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@Berosus No, our information on Zoroaster's birthday as Cyrus stated before is not accurate. However, he lived long before the Medians for sure. ------------- "I won't laugh if a philosophy halves the moon"
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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 03-Apr-2005 at 08:34
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It seem Zoroastrians themselves believe that Zoroaster was born in Takht Suleyman of Iran's Azarbaijan in 3,600 BC!! -> http://www.payvand.com/news/05/apr/1002.html - http://www.payvand.com/news/05/apr/1002.html -------------
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