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Fantasy duel #8 English knight vs Kapıkulu Sipahi

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Topic: Fantasy duel #8 English knight vs Kapıkulu Sipahi
Posted By: akıncı
Subject: Fantasy duel #8 English knight vs Kapıkulu Sipahi
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2005 at 06:12
Lets see

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Posted By: Landsknecht_Doppelsoldner
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2005 at 07:46
The Ottoman's armor will fail to penetrate the Englishman's "armor of proof", and so he will target the horse instead.  Dismounted and stunned, the knight should be easy prey for the Ottoman horseman, but our brave Englishman is tough and resolute...

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Posted By: akıncı
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2005 at 09:21

Originally posted by Landsknecht_Doppelsoldner

but our brave Englishman is tough and resolute...

No matter how tough and resolute the knight is,i don't think that it can withstand a heavily armored Kapıkulu Sipahi wich was a diciplined and expirienced soldier.

This was proven in the battle of Nicopolis.



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"I am the scourage of god appointed to chastise you,since no one knows the remedy for your iniquity exept me.You are wicked,but I am more wicked than you,so be silent!"
              


Posted By: TJK
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2005 at 09:25

This was proven in the battle of Nicopolis

How much Kapikular Sipahis take part in this battle ?



Posted By: Landsknecht_Doppelsoldner
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2005 at 10:07
What about an English man-at-arms in full plate, from the time of Henry VIII?  That's a little different than a French knight from the Nicopolis period.

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"Who despises me and my praiseworthy craft,

I'll hit on the head that it resounds in his heart."


--Augustin Staidt, of the Federfechter (German fencing guild)


Posted By: akıncı
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2005 at 10:29
Originally posted by TJK

This was proven in the battle of Nicopolis

How much Kapikular Sipahis take part in this battle ?

İ don't know for sure but the ones that skattered the French were definetly Kapıkulu Sipahis and Janissaries



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"I am the scourage of god appointed to chastise you,since no one knows the remedy for your iniquity exept me.You are wicked,but I am more wicked than you,so be silent!"
              


Posted By: akıncı
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2005 at 10:31

Originally posted by Landsknecht_Doppelsoldner

What about an English man-at-arms in full plate, from the time of Henry VIII?  That's a little different than a French knight from the Nicopolis period.

You are right but still i don't think a heavy man that has just fallen off his horse will be able to defend itself against a kapıkulu sipahi.



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"I am the scourage of god appointed to chastise you,since no one knows the remedy for your iniquity exept me.You are wicked,but I am more wicked than you,so be silent!"
              


Posted By: Styrbiorn
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2005 at 11:55
Originally posted by TJK

This was proven in the battle of Nicopolis


How much Kapikular Sipahis take part in this battle ?


Probably none, since I believe the Kapikular Sipahi corps was formed half a century after that battle.


Posted By: TJK
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2005 at 12:04

I think silidhari (sp?) were present earlier but they were really unnumerous...



Posted By: akıncı
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2005 at 13:16
Originally posted by Styrbiorn

Originally posted by TJK

This was proven in the battle of Nicopolis


How much Kapikular Sipahis take part in this battle ?


Probably none, since I believe the Kapikular Sipahi corps was formed half a century after that battle.

Normal Sipahi's were lighter so it makes it ceartain that the Ottoman will win.



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"I am the scourage of god appointed to chastise you,since no one knows the remedy for your iniquity exept me.You are wicked,but I am more wicked than you,so be silent!"
              


Posted By: akıncı
Date Posted: 16-Mar-2005 at 13:17
Originally posted by TJK

I think silidhari (sp?) were present earlier but they were really unnumerous...

True.Sipahi's were present.but not unnumerous.



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"I am the scourage of god appointed to chastise you,since no one knows the remedy for your iniquity exept me.You are wicked,but I am more wicked than you,so be silent!"
              


Posted By: Gazi
Date Posted: 17-Mar-2005 at 06:17
The Kapıkulu Sipahi were disciplined and brave.They were trained to be the ultimate cavalry.But I dont think there were any Kapıkulu Sipahi at the battle of Nicopolis.Though they were present at the siege of Istanbul

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Posted By: John the Kern
Date Posted: 18-Mar-2005 at 08:28
 if the knight was fighting like most english kinghts or men-at arms he would be on foot just like the good king says, lol and would most likly have a poleaxe or mace

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Posted By: akıncı
Date Posted: 18-Mar-2005 at 09:42
Still he will be no match for ha heavily armored charging cavalary armed with a mace or a sword

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"I am the scourage of god appointed to chastise you,since no one knows the remedy for your iniquity exept me.You are wicked,but I am more wicked than you,so be silent!"
              



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