Ok. Nice. I think this belongs in the minefield. Or better yet, should be integrated with the 40 odd page Kosovo topic already there.

That documentary is biased and even the Czech TV that sponsored it,realised that.

Carpathian do you live in Serbia?

Shameless Double Standards Most Westerners Refuse to See

It has been painfully obvious to the greatest majority of Serbs for couple of decades now that shameless double standards are a dominant feature of Western mainstream media and politicians in relation to every aspect of dissolution of former Yugoslavia, civil wars that followed and Serbian people in general.

So, the exact same people that will tell you that 1993 http://byzantinesacredart.com/blog/2008/01/christmas-massacre.html - Christmas Day massacre in Bosnian village Kravice by Srebrenica-based Muslim troops, when 49 Serbian civilians were killed, was an episode which indeed never warranted more than a (cautious) condemnation — and certainly not any outrage or, God forbid!, direct military intervention by the NATO — those same self-righteous, pompous gnomes won’t blink an eye when reminded that 19 NATO states launched a merciless three-month bombardment over Federal Republic of Yugoslavia under a pretext that Serbian police has massacred 45 Albanians in the village of Racak, on January 15, 1999.

You see, 49 massacred Serbs at the beginning of the war are easy to forget, 45 Albanian Muslims at the end of a war are deemed a sufficient cause to start a 78-day aggression on a sovereign state, dealing with foreign funded and trained terrorists who seek to dismember that state. So much so, that then-German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer called Racak “the turning point” when the moral imperative of making war on Serbia became apparent.

To make things worse and to show how thoroughly brainwashed Western masses really are, after completely losing their capacity for critical thinking, the alleged “Racak Masacre” that instigated NATO carnage was no more than a rather clumsy hoax.

Nine Years Since Racak Hoax, a CIA-Staged Excuse for NATO Aggression

On today’s day in 1999, head of OSCE Mission in Kosovo and Metohija, American http://globalresistance.com/analysis/meetmr.htm - “diplomat” William Walker , accused Serbian police (although it was, actually, a multi-ethnic, Yugoslav police that conducted anti-terrorist actions in Serbian province of Kosovo) for “massacre” of 45 Albanians in the village Racak. It turned out that the victims were not civilians, but members of the Albanian terrorist KLA (UCK in Albanian) and that the entire incident was staged by Walker and KLA to serve as a pretext for NATO’s one-sided air war against Federal Republic of Yugoslavia.

Belgrade daily Glas javnosti offers http://www.glas-javnosti.co.yu/clanak/glas-javnosti-15-01-2008/laz-koja-je-pokrenula-agresiju-na-jugoslaviju - detailed report about the CIA-setup under Walker’s directorship that caused untold misery, pain and suffering to Yugoslav citizens and state.

Anti-Terrorist Action by Yugoslav Police Observed by OSCE, Two Foreign TV Crews and a Number of Foreign Reporters: None of Them Saw a Massacre, Until William Walker Saw it

At the beginning of January 1999, the command post of the KLA terrorist brigade comprising of 126 members was set up in Racak. Among 126 terrorists, notorious terrorist family Mujota, responsible for the assassinations of six policemen, was also based in Racak. The surrounding villages Petrovo, Luzak and Rance were under the KLA control as well.

Yugoslav police informed the OSCE mission about its intention to carry out an anti-terrorist action in the village of Racak. These were the so-called ‘verifiers’, who had to be invited to observe every action of the Yugoslav police against the Albanian terrorists, so they make sure the use of force is not “disproportionate” and civilians are not being harmed. The anti-terrorist action started at 8 a.m. After a battle that lasted whole day, Yugoslav police has defeated the Albanian terrorists in Racak, who have suffered casualties.

This is how http://www.srpska-mreza.com/ddj/Racak/Tiker/RacakFile.html - French daily Le Figaro , which had its special reporter Renaud Girard on the ground, described the action by the Yugoslav police and the events reporters witnessed on that day:

“[...] At dawn the Serb police surrounded and attacked the village of Racak, known to be a base of the separatist KLA. The police had nothing to hide, since at 8:30 a.m. they invited a television crew (two reporters of the American Associated Press) to film the operation. Members of the OSCE mission were also present: on location were two vehicles with American diplomatic plates. The OSCE observers stayed on location the whole day, situated in a valley from where they were able to observe the village.

“At approximately 3:00 p.m., a police report was made public via the International Press Center in Pristina, which stated that, during the course of fighting at Racak, 15 KLA terrorists were killed and a significant quantity of weapons was confiscated. At 3:30 p.m. the police forces, accompanied by the television crew of Associated Press, left the village, taking with them a heavy artillery piece of 12.7 mm caliber, two hand-held artillery pieces, two sniper rifles and approximately 30 Kalashnikovs manufactured in China. At 4:30 p.m., a French reporter drove through the village, where he encountered three orange OSCE vehicles. The international observers were calmly talking with three adult Albanians in civilian clothes. They were looking for possible injured civilians. Upon returning to the village at 6:00 p.m., the French reporter saw the observers taking away two women and two old men, who were very lightly injured.”

In the center of the village, in a house where the KLA base was set up, police has found a computer containing data about the Racak KLA brigade and the list with 126 terrorists based in the village. The list included four foreigners, with American or British names. It was determined that those were KLA foreign instructors.

When Yugoslav police started pouring through the village and securing the roads and trenches, Albanian terrorists from the Lake Mountain (Jezerska planina) and the surrounding villages attacked them. They opened fire from the hills above the trenches and Yugoslav police was forced to withdraw from Racak due to strong offensive and unfavorable, low-ground position. That is when the grand hoax started, to be launched into the world as an alleged massacre of civilians by the Serbian police.

Walker Personally Sets the Stage Before Inviting Reporters

Bodies of the Albanian terrorists killed during the battle were being pulled out of ravines and creaks by the other KLA troops seizing the village, to be placed in a field where there were no bodies before. Associated Press TV crew which entered the village with Yugoslav police earlier has recorded that the very field where allegedly executed Albanians were piled up, was empty at the time police was in the village. Albanian terrorists have redressed some forty bodies, replacing their KLA uniforms with civilian clothing. They drove the other killed terrorists in their uniforms towards Budakovo village, where they probably buried them.

Early next morning, William Walker came to the field to instruct the Albanian terrorists surrounding him on how to position the bodies, so that the scene appears as a massacre, i.e. the execution of the civilians. After the stage was set, Walker brought the TV crews and reporters over. Detailed description of the whole setup is available in the book titled “Second Kosovo Battle” by reporter Milorad Drecun, under the “Racak Hoax” chapter.

Finnish Forensic Specialists Find No Evidence of Massacre, i.e. the “Executions”

A team of Finnish forensic specialists headed by doctor Helena Ranta arrived to Racak to determine the cause of death of the Albanians found. The final report submitted by the Finnish forensic experts contained no evidence that on January 15, 1999 Albanian civilians were massacred, wrote German daily Berliner Zeitung which received the report prior to official publishing.

German daily informed that the initial report by the Finnish forensics contained half-truths and contradictory claims, later admitted by Helena Ranta, but without any qualms regarding the dishonorable role she played. She said that her report had to be approved by William Walker before being submitted.

That is when it became obvious that Racak hoax was a planned action by all those who took part in the aggression on FR Yugoslavia, since the alleged Racak massacre served as a pretext to Western and German politicians to give their consent to NATO attack.

Helena Ranta Reveals the Truth 9 Years Later

Marking the shameful anniversary of Racak Hoax, Tanjug reminds how then US Secretary of State Madeleine Albright told CSB that “dozens of people had their throats slit in Racak” and that the only solution was in “humanitarian air strikes” on Yugoslavia.

On the other hand, reports Tanjug, three teams of forensic experts — from Yugoslavia, Belarus and Finland — found only firearm wounds on the bodies of the victims.

Special tests revealed gunpowder residue on the hands of 37 of the 40 bodies initially examined, proving that the victims were using firearms immediately prior to their death.

The head of the Finnish forensic team, Helena Ranta, backed Walker's statement prior to the bombings, saying that she was expressing her personal view. However, on Jan 23, 2007, Ranta admitted to Belgrade daily Blic that the final Finnish forensic report "did not contain proof about either a massacre or execution taking place in Racak."

In a Russian television documentary titled "End - condemned to exile", recently broadcast on the Serbian television (RTS), Ranta admitted that Walker was horrified by the results of the investigation of the Finnish forensic team and that, at the time, she was unprepared to oppose him, but that now she is ready to speak out.

KLA Chief Confirms: Racak was a Fierce Battle. Nothing More.

According to three Berliner Zeitung reporters who investigated Racak hoax (Bo Adam, Roland Heine and Claudius Technau), “UCK [KLA] is in the best position to bring light to the case.”

And here is what its commander in chief Hashim Thaci had to say to the BBC regarding Racak: “We had a key unit in the region. It was a fierce battle. We regrettably had many victims. But so did the Serbs.”

If we take the stand, as we do, that the only just solution to the minority problem is expulsion, we are faced with a number of issues which have to be dealt with. Should all minorities be expelled or only certain ethnic groups? From which regions should ethnic minorities be expelled first? And what is more important, how are we to resettle the deserted towns and villages? I have a few suggestions to make in this connection.

Like always you don’t read carefully,others ,posts. Here it is a phrase from Cubrilovics 1944 memorandum ,that was quoted in my previous post:

As to priorities for expulsion, I hold the opinion that we should consider the following order: the Germans, the Hungarians, the Albanians, the Italians and the Romanians

Of course you don’t know Cubrilovic,because in that case you would understand that his goal was the creation of an ethnically pure Greater Serbia,and that of the collaboration  with Germany was just an excuse.

To help you understand things better ill show you another memorandum, again from Cubrilovic,but this time in 1937,there were no Nazis in Yugoslavia when he wrote this one.

The title is self-explanatory :

1937 Vaso Cubrilovic:The Expulsion of the Albanians – Memorandum

Some quotes:

In the first part he complains with the bad job his government is doing in the colonization process:

The fundamental mistake made by the authorities in charge at that time was that, forgetting where they were, they wanted to solve all the major ethnic problems of the troubled and bloody Balkans by Western methods

The result has been negative, as evident from the statistics of the eighteen districts which make up the Albanian triangle. These figures show that the natural growth of the Albanian population in these regions is still greater than the total increase in our population from both natural growth and new settlers (from 1921 to 1931, the Albanian population increased by 68,060, while the Serbs showed an increase of 58,745, i.e. a difference of 9,315 in favour of the Albanians).

Even the strategy of gradual colonization was not properly applied. Worse still in a matter of such importance, there was no specific state plan for every government and regime to adhere to and implement. Work was intermittent, in fits and starts, with each new minister undoing what his predecessor had done and himself creating nothing solid.

Than he explains how to get rid of Albanians:

Even those few thousand families who were settled after the war did not remain where they were originally located. There was more success in Kosovo, especially in the Lab / Llap valley, where the Toplicans penetrated of their own accord from north to south. Our oldest and most stable settlements there were established with elements from various Serbian regions. In Drenica and Metohija we had no success at all. Colonization should never be carried out with Montenegrins alone.

Without doubt, the main cause for the lack of success in our colonization of these regions was that the best land remained in the hands of the Albanians. The only possible means for our mass colonization of these regions to succeed is for us to take the land away from them.

Here he explains past successful experiences,the ethnic cleansing of Novi Pazar and Niss (today south Serbia) from the Albanian element

The problem of the Sandjak of Novi Pazar is solving itself and no longer plays the role it did in the life of our country before 1912. Let it suffice to mention that with the elimination of the Albanians, the last link between our Moslems in Bosnia and Novi Pazar and the rest of the Moslem world will have been cut. They are becoming a religious minority, the only Moslem minority in the Balkans, and this fact will accelerate their assimilation.

Other quotes:

  The Albanians cannot be dispelled by means of gradual colonization alone. They are the only people who, over the last millennium, managed not only to resist the nucleus of our state, Rashka and Zeta, but also to harm us by pushing our ethnic borders northwards and eastwards.

With its sparse population, its many undrained swamps and uncultivated valleys, Albania would have no difficulty admitting some hundred thousand Albanians from our country. With its vast and uninhabited frontiers in Asia Minor and Kurdistan, modern Turkey, for its part, offers seemingly unlimited opportunities for internal colonization. Despite efforts on the part of Kemal Atatürk, the Turks have not yet been able to fill the vacuum created by the evacuation of the Greeks from Asia Minor to Greece and of some of the Kurds to Persia. Hence, the greatest possibilities lie in sending the bulk of our displaced Albanians there.

We have heard that Turkey has agreed, initially, to accept about 200,000 of our displaced persons on condition that they are Albanians, something which is most advantageous to us.

Agitators, especially from Turkey, must be found as quickly as possible to promote the evacuation, if Turkey will provide them for us. They must laud the beauties of the new territories in Turkey and the easy and pleasant life to be had there, and must kindle religious fanaticism among the masses and awaken pride in the Turkish state.

Another means would be coercion by the state apparatus. The law must be enforced to the letter so as to make staying intolerable for the Albanians: fines, imprisonment, the ruthless application of all police regulations, such as the prohibition of smuggling, cutting forests, damaging agriculture, leaving dogs unchained, compulsory labour and any other measure that an experienced police force can contrive. From the economic aspect, this should include the refusal to recognize old land deeds.

There remains one more method Serbia employed with great practical effect after 1878, that is, secretly razing Albanian villages and urban settlements to the ground.

This is the link for those interested in knowing more

http://www.albanianhistory.net/texts/AH1937_1.html - http://www.albanianhistory.net/texts/AH1937_1.html

This is the link for Carpathian W,same thing but from another site,because he have a sort of phobia ,for Robert Elsie’s website.

http://www.aacl.com/expulsion2.html - http://www.aacl.com/expulsion2.html

As i said  before that is not an Albanian website,and is simply fantastic, made of plain historical documents,translated in English and not only,where the reader is free to read learn an why not judge,with his own head.

Ps.Read something,i mean in general.

Sure dear Serbian…sorry Carpathian wolf.At least you are indirectly admitting that there was a colonization .But if you still don’t i just brought some fresh(almost a century old indeed) and hard evidences.

Just kidding,I know its impossible to convince you,and this quote from  the Serbian writer Vladimir Arsenijevic explains why:

A few years ago the Serbian media reported for months on end on mass graves whose dead had been identified by forensic experts as Kosovo Albanians. One of the most horrific images was that of a refrigerated lorry out of which murdered Kosovo Albanian women, children and old people were disposed in Lake Perucac, near the mouth of the river Derventa. On our screens we saw half-decayed, clothed corpses being pulled out of the water, we heard the shocking confession of the driver, who had been told to transport the dead out of Kosovo in order to cover up the crime. At the time a Belgrade television station broadcast an interview with a man bathing untroubled in this beautiful lake from whose green waters the corpses had just been pulled. When the reporter asked whether this bothered him the simpleton stood there shaking his head as the water dripped off him. Blinking innocently and smiling laconically, he looked at the camera and said without turning a hair: "To be honest, I don't believe all that," and dived defiantly back into the water.

The guy is mad, you might think. But actually the opposite is the case. His reaction is absolutely understandable. Serbian citizens have a decade of brainwashing by politicians and the media behind them, a decade of lessons in how continuous lying can eventually make people believe their own lies. The bathing man was simply using that acquired skill.

http://www.signandsight.com/features/1582.html

If your sword is wikipedia or some racist forum from where you borrow your quotes,then i have nothing to fear.My quotes are neither nice or cute,these a are wrong adjectives to judge a source.

You are trying to discredit Vaso,but you can’t impeach him as a witness.Clearly he is not only proposing ideas but also ascertaining facts.The first part of each of his memorandums is just a description of the past attempts some successful and some not, to colonize Albanian inhabited lands.

But I agree Vaso was an assassin.but also:

..A leading member of the Serbian Academy of Sciences and Art, Cubrilovic also held several ministerial portfolios after World War II. Among his writings is the monograph "Istorija politicke misle u Srbiji XIX veka," Belgrade 1958 (History of political thought in Serbia in the 19th century

So he was not an ordinary man.But if for you he is not enough I can bring you here other quotes from even more famous and important Serbians

How did you came out with this 50-50,even you own source,that is a biased interpretation of Kosovas history states the following.

The ethnic composition of present-day Kosovo Province can be assessed only indirectly for the period between the two wars, through data concerning the inhabitants' mother tongue. The 1921 Census lists 439,000 people as having Albanian for their mother tongue; in 1931 this figure was already 505,000 for the whole country, which means 280,000 to 332,000 for the Province of Kosovo, or 64% and 59% respectively. The drop in their share, despite the tangible growth in their number, is due to the arrival of the Serbian and Montenegrin population - both the return of refugees from World War I and the spontaneous and organized settlement of this sparsely populated area (in 1921 there were 41.3 people to 1 square kilometer of land).

Of course they forgot to put in their calculations the Albanian victims of the Serbian repression during  and after the Balkan wars,and also the Albanian emigration to Albanian and the organized mass deportation toward Turkey.But fortunately Vaso did not.

Also from your source:

Kosovo's Population by Number of inhabitants Nationality

Albanians

1921-439’000           

1931-552'000           

1948-728’000           

1953-808’000           

1961-964’000           

1971-1,245’000

Albanians in %

1921-(read the quote above)    

1931-(read the quote above)    

1948-68,5 

1953-64.9 

1961-67,2 

1971-73.7

1981-77.4

Albanians annual growth rate in %:

1948-53 - 1.02        

1953-61 - 2.60        

1961-71 – 3.44

1971-81 - 2.89

As you can see the annual Albanian growth rate, and the total growth were constant in all the Yugoslavian censuses so everything suggests the Albania birth rate as the only reason for the increase of the Albanian population.Of course there are many other collateral reasons like the Serbian low birth rate,the Kosovo Serbian abortion rate(Europe highest). 

Just google Yugoslav census and you will have the answer.This material is from the 1971 census.

TITLE: Yugoslavia's Population After Recent Census

DATE:1971-11-8

Summary: According to a census taken on 31

March 1971, Yugoslavia has more than 20 million

inhabitants. The first appraisals of the results

indicate that the greatest increase in population

growth has been among the Albanians. Some

Yugoslav estimates indicate that in 1986 there

will be almost two million Albanians in

Yugoslavia, and in 2000 perhaps even three million.

The capital of Yugoslavia, Belgrade, registered

1,204,271 inhabitants.

Albanians: Greatest Increase

In comparison to the 1961 census, the autonomous

province of Kosovo (predominantly populated by Albanians) had

the greatest population increase - 29 percent, followed

by Macedonia (17 percent), Bosnia and Hercegovina (14 percent)

and Montenegro (12 percent). Falling under the average Yugoslav

increase, which amounts to 11 percent, are Serbia, with

a population increase of only 10 percent, Croatia, 8 percent

and Vojvodina, 5 percent. [4]

Albanians jumped from fifth to fourth place according

to ethnic numerical strength. As seen in Table II,

the population in the autonomous province of Kosovo increased

from 964,000 in 1961 to 1,245,000 in 1971. The difference

is 281,000. Of course, not all these people are Albanians,

but surely at least 80 percent of them are.

http://www.osa.ceu.hu/files/holdings/300/8/3/text/79-3-119.shtml

As you see none is surprised with the Albanian growth,and they explain it simply with the birth rate.

Again this is the the demographic story of Kosovo after ww2

1921-439’000 (estimation)        

1931-552'000 (estimation)        

1948-728’000           

1953-808’000           

1961-964’000           

1971-1,245’000

If you wan’t to explain the increase with an Albanian emigration then here you have an article describing the Albanian-Yugoslavian,nor exactly friendly,relations.

Some quotes:

Until Yugoslavia's expulsion from the  http://lcweb2.loc.gov/frd/cs/albania/al_glos.html#Cominform - Cominform  (see Glossary) in 1948, Albania acted like a Yugoslav satellite and Tito aimed to use his choke hold on the Albanian party to incorporate the entire country into Yugoslavia.

The pro-Yugoslav faction wielded decisive political power in Albania well into 1948.

 At a party plenum in February and March, the communist leadership voted to merge the Albanian and Yugoslav economies and militaries. 

Hoxha, to the core an opportunist, even denounced Spiru for attempting to ruin Albanian-Yugoslav relations. 

During a party Political Bureau (Politburo) meeting a month later, Xoxe proposed appealing to Belgrade to admit Albania as a seventh Yugoslav republic. 

When the Cominform expelled Yugoslavia on June 28, however, Albania made a rapid about-face in its policy toward Yugoslavia. 

The move surely saved Hoxha from a firing squad and as surely doomed Xoxe to one. 

Three days later, Tiranë gave the Yugoslav advisers in Albania forty-eight hours to leave the country,

 rescinded all bilateral economic agreements with its neighbor, and launched a virulent anti-Yugoslav propaganda blitz that transformed Stalin into an Albanian national hero, 

Hoxha into a warrior against foreign aggression, and Tito into an imperialist monster

The subsequent anti-Titoist purges in Albania brought the liquidation of 

fourteen members of the party's thirty-one-person Central Committee and thirty-two of the 109 People's Assembly deputies. 

Overall, the party expelled about 25 percent of its membership. 

Yugoslavia responded with a propaganda counterattack, canceled its treaty of friendship with Albania, and in 1950 withdrew its diplomatic mission from Tiranë.

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?frd/cstdy:@field(DOCID+al0036)

So tell me when exactly did those Albanians cross the border, since there was 0 contact between Albanians in the two sides of the border at least from1948. 

I know they were poor villagers that came in Kosova hoping for a better life and new land.But this land wasn’t theirs it was taken from the Albanian rightful owners, after the agrarian reform.To me the fact that they were Colonists is more then enough to justify their expulsion.  

A group of Romanians is not the same of group of 2’000’000 Albanians,that at least from the formation of the Serbian and Albanian national conscience were the majority in that region.

Albanians can’t live in the same state with the people that ethnic cleansed 900’000 of them in only a week,that killed 15’000 of them burned down 120’000 of their houses,with the people that arbitrarily annuled thei autonomy,that fired them from their jobs,that closed all their schools,their university ,their Tv and papers in Albanian language,

All these reasons for me are more than enough,

 .

If you are not a Serb,for sure you have close links with them,but I really don’t care for me you can be also Chinese it doesn’t changes that you your post are filled with Serbian extremist views, Albanians are from Caucasus,Albananians were never a majority,they emigrated from Albania and other conspiratorial rubbish.

Ok ok,the writer is just an idiot,B92 a western servant Vaso just an unstable….However to me a church a mosque and a private house are exactly the same,as you sow,so shall you reap.Do you know that even the building of The prizren league was destroyed from the Serbian army in 1999,well you have to be Albanian to understand its importance.

How is that there are a lot of Albanians in all these countries,and just few of Montenegrinians,Serbs and Slavo Macedonians in Albania?

Ps. don’t put Greece in the mess that’s a totally different topic.

So you are unbiased ,and have a neutral aproach?!Good one!

.[QUOTE I've been PMed by a few people in the short time these discussions have been up and i've been posting in them and being thanked that I have made the points that I have made, and glad. They also let me know that generally your line of arguements from that direction are typically not taken seriously. I'm seeing why more and more.[/QUOTE]

Good for you.

I never called you stupid.

You are trying to discredit Vaso,but you can’t impeach him as a witness.Clearly he is not only proposing ideas but also ascertaining facts.The first part of each of his memorandums is just a description of the past attempts some successful and some not, to colonize Albanian inhabited lands."

KLA -- Resurgent Nazis Under NATO's Wing

"No one, in any case, should entertain any notion that any future Kosovo, whether run by Albanians or by an international protectorate, is going to have any Serbs in it." Tim Judah, New York Review of Books.

The false historical analogy underlying NATO's war against Yugoslavia is the purported resemblance of the Serbs' anti-KLA (Kosovo Liberation Army) counterinsurgency to nazi atrocities in the second world war. Clinton has compared the Serbian campaign to the Holocaust and Mrs. Clinton has stated that the images on CNN remind her of the movie Schindler's List; both implicitly analogize the Kosovar Albanians to Jews in the 1930s and '40s, and the Serbs to nazis. Other NATO leaders, and most journalists in NATO countries, have mindlessly echoed the Clintons' statements.

Not only is the analogy completely misplaced as a historical matter, but it was the Albanians who sided with the nazis and fascists in the 1940s and the current KLA that continues the ethnic eliminationist policies of that era. The Serbs are engaged in suppressing a resurgent neo-nazi movement, just as they did during and immediately after the world war. While NATO's rhetoric has served to rally an uninformed public's support for attacking Yugoslavia, even a cursory understanding of the area's recent history belies that rhetoric and refutes the false version of events that NATO has misused to justify its attack.

Mussolini's Italy occupied Albania proper in April 1939, and established a collaborationist regime with the enthusiastic support of the native population. After Hitler invaded and occupied Yugoslavia in spring 1941, the bulk of current Kosovo-Metohija was placed under Italian-Albanian collaborationist control and annexed to Albania. Kosovar Albanian fascist militias called the "Balli Kombëtar" or "Ballistas" conducted a campaign of murder and deportation against the Serb population between 1941 and 1943, the years of Italian control. Carlo Umilta, a civilian aide to the commander of the Italian occupation forces, described some of the atrocities in his memoirs and observed that "the Albanians are out to exterminate the Slavs."

The anti-Serb pogroms intensified after Italy's collapse in 1943, when the Germans assumed control of Albania, including Kosovo. In April 1944 the Germans formed the 21st "Waffen-Gebirgs Division der SS Skanderbeg" (alban.Nr.1) with German leadership and Kosovar Albanian officers and rank and file. Although the Germans raised the unit as an anti-Partisan force, its Albanian members were interested solely in murdering or expelling the Serb population, as their Ballista predecessors had done so successfully. The division was dissolved in early 1945.

A major impetus for the Kosovar Albanians' attempt to drive the Serbs from Kosovo under both fascist and nazi tutelage was militant Islam. The Islamist group "Second League of Prizren" was created in September 1943 by Xhafer Deva, a Kosovar Albanian, and proclaimed a jihad against Slavs. This effort was supported by the grand mufti of Jerusalem, El Haj Emin Huseini, who similarly called for the elimination of Jews in then-British-occupied Palestine.

No one is certain how many Serbs were killed or displaced in this Albanian-sponsored Holocaust. Estimates range between 10,000 and 30,000 murdered, with at least an additional 100,000 driven from Kosovo to elsewhere in Yugoslavia and replaced with "immigrants" from Albania proper. The Kosovar Albanians' depredations were a major cause of the current demographic imbalance: the Albanians constitute a majority of the Kosovo population because of their great success as Hitler's willing executioners. But their murderous attention was not limited only to Serbs. Countless Roma (Gypsies) were liquidated, and Kosovar Albanians, both acting alone and under German direction, managed to eliminate approximately 40 percent of Kosovo's Jewish population. The definitive work concerning the nazi-orchestrated elimination of Yugoslav Jews, "The Crimes of Fascist Occupants and Their Collaborators Against the Jews of Yugoslavia" (1952, revised 1957) (published by The Federation of Jewish Communities of Yugoslavia) estimates that there were approximately 550 Jews in Kosovo at the time of Hitler's takeover of Yugoslavia, and that 210 of them, or 38 percent, were murdered, primarily by Kosovar Albanians. In fact, the Skanderbeg division's first operation was to act as an "einsatzgruppen" against the Jews. Although KLA supporters now claim that no Jews were killed in Kosovo and that Jews were sheltered by the Kosovar Albanians, such claims are false and should be treated with the disdain shown to other Holocaust deniers.

Although their German mentors surrendered in 1945, the remnants of the Albanian Kosovar nazi and fascist groups continued fighting the Yugoslav government for an additional six years, with a major rebellion occurring from 1945 to 1948 in the Drenica region, the hotbed for today's KLA recruiting, under the command of Shaban Paluzha. Sporadic resistance continued from 1948 to 1951.

Notwithstanding the eventual suppression of these last Axis holdouts, Tito instituted a Kosovo policy of rewarding Albanians and subordinating Serbs instead of "denazifying" the Albanians. The Serbs that had been driven from Kosovo were as a general matter prevented from returning, while immigration from Albanian was encouraged to further skew the province's demographic profile. Tito granted an enhanced autonomy that placed Kosovar Albanians in local political control, and this power was used to continue making life intolerable for the Serbs, with the result that many thousands more fled during the 1970s and 1980s. The persecution of the Serbs during this time has been well documented elsewhere, particularly by David Binder of the New York Times who in 1982 -- long before Milosevic attained political power -- reported that the Albanians' violent "incidents have prompted many of Kosovo's Slavic inhabitants to flee the province, thereby helping to fulfill a nationalist demand for an ethnically 'pure' Albanian Kosovo." New York Times, Nov. 9, 1982 at A6. Facts on File reported similar findings, quoting an ethnic Albanian Communist Party official as saying "[t]he nationalists have a two-point platform, first to establish what they call an ethnically clean Albanian republic and then the merger with Albania to form a greater Albania". Facts on File World News Digest (Sept. 10, 1982).

In short, the same desire to drive out Serbs that animated the Albanian nazi and fascist units in the 1940s remained active throughout the post-war period. It flared anew into spectacular violence with the KLA's advent. In both form and substance, the KLA is merely a continuation of the Ballistas and Skanderbegs.

In form, the KLA has named its units after "heroes" of the Albanian nazi and fascist units. It has adopted the exact same insignia that was used by the Skanderbeg division. Many of its leaders and earliest members are the sons and grandsons of members of the Skanderbeg and Ballista units. A KLA-affiliated website, sponsored by the Kosova Liberation Peace Movement ( http://www.klpm.org - www.klpm.org ), looks with approbation on the nazi occupation:

As Germany overtook Yugoslavia in 1941, the Kosovar people were liberated by the Germans. All Albanian territories of this state, such as Kosova (sic), western Macedonia and border regions under Montenegro, were re-united into Albania proper. Albanian schools, governmental administration, press and radio were re-established.

And, needless to say, the Serbs were eliminated. The areas referred to constitute the "greater Albania" that the more audacious KLA leaders now seek to recreate. The kplm website envisions a similar "liberation" in the future: "The KLA is committed to liberate Kosova and to bring their motherland to freedom." Having seen that the previous liberation had resulted in the wholesale murder of the Serb and Jewish population, it is no wonder that the Serbian authorities took the strongest steps to prevent its promised recurrence.

Even more telling than the KLA's pedigree and self-chosen symbolism are its actions, for these truly demonstrate the group's unreconstructed nazism. The focus of the organization's efforts was the murder of Serb civilians, as well as Albanians that did not wish to provide their support. The KLA's 1998 terror campaign was designed to force all Serbs from areas under its control, and it was quite successful in doing so. In the autumn of 1998 the Associated Press reported that the Serbian populations of nearly 100 villages had been driven out, either by death or intimidation. KLA commanders Remi and Haradjani were particularly ruthless, and their documented campaign of terror against Serbs, Albanians and Roma, documented at http://www.siri-us.com - www.siri-us.com , would earn them an indictment in the Hague if the International Criminal Tribunal for Yugoslavia had any interest in justice.

The methods used by the KLA reek of Hitler-era barbarity. In Klecka, 22 Serb civilians were tortured and executed and their remains disposed of in an improvised crematorium, and near Glogovac Serb farmers and their families were butchered and thrown in a muddy ditch. While these incidents were ignored in the American press, which had long since picked the KLA as its favorites in the Kosovo conflict, the Serb authorities and citizenry were quite familiar with them and knew they portended a similar fate for the entire non-Albanian population unless the KLA was defeated.

And make no mistake: KLA victory and Kosovo's forced removal from Serbia will complete the process begun in the 1940s of eliminating the remaining Serbs. As Tim Judah, a strong supporter of the KLA, approvingly predicted in the May 1999 New York Review of Books: "No one, in any case, should entertain any notion that any future Kosovo, whether run by Albanians or by an international protectorate, is going to have any Serbs in it." Judah's words echo those of Carlo Umilta, the Italian fascist who at least had the decency to be disgusted by that prospect. In short, the KLA, with NATO's armed support, will complete what Hitler and Mussolini started, as people like Judah cheer them on.

Nor can the leaders and citizens of NATO countries feign ignorance of the KLA's true nature. Former New York Times reporter Chris Hedges, no friend of the Serbs, wrote in the May-June 1999 edition of Foreign Affairs that the KLA shows "hints of fascism on one side and whiffs of communism on the other" and notes the genealogical link between its leaders and members of "the Skanderbeg volunteer SS division raised by the Nazis" and their "part in the shameful roundup and deportation of . . . [the] few hundred Jews during the Holocaust." This description has been widely circulated although, predictably, Hedges ignored the shameful roundup and mass murder of Serbs during the nazi period. While most Americans, like Mrs. Clinton, may get their (mis)understanding of historical events through fictional movies, they should have at least a minimal understanding of the real historical facts before launching a war and destroying a country based solely on supposed historical analogies.

Some commentators in the U.S. have acknowledged the nazi/fascist affiliation of Kosovar Albanians in the 1940s, but argue that this is "ancient history" (to quote one U.S. congressman) and has no bearing on the current war. Aside from the fact that the Serb Holocaust is no more "ancient" than the gas chambers at Auschwitz, today's KLA has adopted the same goals and tactics of the Ballistas and Skanderbegs and should be given the same shrift that violent neo-nazi groups would receive in any other country.

Any group that considers the nazis as liberators, looks with nostalgia on nazi control, wishes to replicate that era today, and resorts to mass murder to do so deserves to be ruthlessly uprooted. Instead, NATO has allied itself with the KLA and gone to war to prevent the Serbs from eliminating this resurgent nazi cancer. What we have in the KLA is the resurrection of a 1940s nazi/fascist group, dressed up for 1990s media success and this time supported by the former world war 2 Allies along with, of course, Germany. The Serbs are no more the reincarnation of nazis than were the world war 2 resistance groups that fought against Hitler while the KLA's predecessors fought for him. The Serbian fight against the KLA was a continuation of the earlier struggle against Hitler's Kosovar Albanian allies. That Clinton's false analogy gained any credence among the ignorant populations of the United States and western Europe is, perhaps, a bigger injury than all the bombs and missiles dropped by NATO to help fulfill Hitler's agenda six decades later.

The Washington Post reported on June 5, 1999 that half the remaining Serb population had recently fled Kosovo, and the Washington Times of June 5 reported that the Pentagon expects the rest to follow. NATO has accomplished what even Hitler could not: the elimination of Serbs in Kosovo. Congratulations, America; you have done the Nazis' work, and Hitler is smiling in his grave..

CIA aided Kosovo guerrilla army

Datas from Noel Malcoms;Kosovo a short history.(the translation is mine)

The serb official for Kosovo Djorde Kristic,described the colonization program,like an success:"we was only 24% of the region in 1919 but now we are up to 38%."It was the year 1928.

Also a quote from NM book:

The whole kosovar territory had 584'000 ha of arable lands,of which 200'000ha were expropriated and distribuited among the new serbian settlers.13'000 serbian familys (about 70'000,10% of the whole population)were settled in kosova.the state investment for the colonizaton was 10'000'000 dinars(180 million dollars).

 his source:

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You stated smth and your Serbian source was saying smth else,so make up your mind.

You don’t have a clue.For sure there was a slight change in the population balance in favour of the Albanians during ottomans times as it was a change favoring serbs during Stephan Dushans Serbian empire.And your claims that this was an organized process  are just erroneous Albanians repopulated those few lands that serbs gradually(in 500 years) abandoned, their political an cultural center was in Belgrade so was natural for them to move north. That of the Serbian suffering under the Albanian-Turkish rule is just Serbian invention to justify their later negative attitude against Albanians.

One of their myths, often called history ,is that of the Serbian emigration after the Austrian-Turkish war, from Kosovo, when indeed smth like that never happened in a large scale in Kosova. Funnily in Kosova during that war there was a pro Austrian uprising,under the lead the Albanian catholic Archbishop Pjeter Bogdani,and the fighting force was composed from both catholic and muslim Albanians.

Btw here you have the speech made by the Serbian King addressed to the serbuian people,when the Serbian attack in Kosova was ready to start.His motivation are totally different from yours or from those of the modern Serbian nationalist.

18 October 1912

 "The Turkish governments showed no interest in their duties towards their citizens and turned a deaf ear to all complaints and suggestions. Things got so far out of hand that no one was satisfied with the situation in Turkey in Europe. It became unbearable for the Serbs, the Greeks and for the Albanians, too.
    By the grace of God, I have therefore ordered my brave army to join in the Holy War to free our brethren and to ensure a better future.
    In Old Serbia, my army will meet not only upon Christian Serbs, but also upon Moslem Serbs, who are equally dear to us, and in addition to them, upon Christian and Moslem Albanians with whom our people have shared joy and sorrow for thirteen centuries now. To all of them we bring freedom, brotherhood and equality."

But he never practiced his own preaches.

Yes but  how do you intend to prove that this actually happened,and when?

Actual actions?Here you have some:

Leon Trotsky, writing this in January 1913 as an open letter in the (Menshevik) paper Luch ("The Ray") was addressing the "liberal" Russian chauvinist politician Pavel Miliukov:

Do not the facts, undeniable and irrefutable, force you to come to the conclusion that the Bulgars in Macedonia, the Serbs in old Serbia, in their national endeavor to correct data in the ethnological statistics that are not quite favorable to them, are engaged quite simply in systematic extermination of the Muslim population in the villages, towns and districts?

Quoting a Serbian soldier whose civil and political conscience had been revolted, Trotsky reported:

The horrors actually began as soon as we crossed the old frontier.... The darker the sky became, the more brightly the fearful illumination of the fires stood out against it. Burning was going on all around us. Entire Albanian villages had been turned into pillars of fire, dwellings, possessions accumulated by fathers and grandfathers were going up in flames, the picture was repeated the whole way to Skopje. There the Serbs broke into Turkish and Albanian houses and performed the same task in every case: plundering and killing. For two days before my arrival in Skopje the inhabitants had woken up to the sight of heaps of Albanian corpses with severed heads. Among the mass of soldiers you see Serb peasants who have come from every part of Serbia on the pretext of looking for their sons and brothers. They cross the plain of Kosovo and start plundering, from the area around Vranje the population has crossed over en masse into the Albanian villages to pick up whatever may catch the eye. Peasant women carry away even the doors and windows of Albanian houses.”

(See Leon Trotsky,The Balkan Wars—1912-1913, New York, 1980, p.267)

Fritz Magnussen, war correspondent for the Danish newspaper Riget

Serbian military activities in Macedonia have taken on the character of an extermination of the Arnaut population. The army is conducting an unspeakable war of atrocities. According to officers and soldiers, 3,000 Arnauts were slaughtered in the region between Kumanova / Kumanovo and Skopje and 5,000 near Prishtina. The Arnaut villages were surrounded and set on fire. The inhabitants were then chased from their homes and shot like rats. The Serbian soldiers delighted in telling me of the manhunts they had conducted.

Daily Telegraph

All the horrors of history have been outdone by the atrocious conduct of the troops of General Jankovic. On their march through Albania, the Serbs have treacherously slaughtered not only armed Albanians, but in their savagery even unarmed individuals - old people, women, children and babies at their mother's breasts.
    Drunk with victory, Serbian officers have proclaimed that the only way of pacifying Albania is to exterminate the Albanians. They slaughtered 3,000 people in the region between Kumanova / Kumanovo and Skopje alone. 5,000 Albanians were murdered by the Serbs in the Prishtina area. These people did not die with honour on the battlefield, but were slain in a series of gruesome raids. The Serbian soldiers have found new methods of butchery to satisfy their thirst for blood. Houses were set on fire in several villages and the inhabitants slaughtered like rats when they tried to flee the flames.

Anyone who denounces an Albanian to the Serbs can be sure that the Albanian will be executed. There were people who owed money to Moslem Albanians. They went and denounced them to the Serbs as traitors. The wretched Albanians were immediately hanged and the informers later found ways of acquiring the home and land of their victims for a ridiculously low price.

The following is from central Albania,not even in Kosova.

 The Albanische Korrespondenz reported from Trieste on 21 March 1913:

 The suffering in Albania has reached an unspeakable zenith. The Serbian troops who took Durrës (Durazzo) were immediately ordered to proceed into the countryside although no provision had been made for their food and drink. They were therefore forced to rely on food they confiscated from the population, which they did with exception cruelty. They took nine-tenths of all the stocks available, and refused to give written receipts for the goods they requisitioned.
    The Serbian troops not only confiscated goods for their own usage. They seized or destroyed all the food that fell into their hands. Ancient olive trees which had been planted in the Venetian period and had provided sustenance to generations were cut down by the Serbs. Farm animals were slain. No sheep, no chickens, no corn which the Serbs could get their hands on remained untouched. They conducted extensive raids and looted wherever they could. In Durrës (Durazzo), the Serbs loaded ships with carpets and other stolen goods for transportation to Salonika whence the cargo was transferred back to Belgrade. Even antique benches from the government offices in Durrës were confiscated and loaded onto the booty ships.

The following report was received from Durrës (Durazzo) on 6 March:

Serbian troops have burnt the following villages to the ground: Zeza, Larushk, Monikla, Sheh and Gromni. In Zeza, twenty women and girls were locked in their homes and burnt alive.
    The inhabitants of the village of Kruja-Kurbin have taken to the mountains, in order to save their lives, leaving behind all their possessions.

  On 20 March, the Neue Freie Presse reported:

On 7 March, the soldateska joined fanatic Orthodox priests in and around Gjakova / Djakovica to forcefully convert the Catholic population to the Orthodox faith. About 300 persons, men, women and children, among whom Pater Angelus Palic, were bound with ropes and forced under threat of death to convert. An Orthodox priest pointed to the soldiers standing by with their rifles in hand and said, "Either you sign the declaration that you have converted to the one true faith or these soldiers of God will send your souls to hell."
    All the prisoners then signed the forms prepared for them which contained a declaration of conversion to the Orthodox faith. Pater Angelus was the last. He was the only one of them who had the strength, in a calm and dignified manner, to refuse to give up his faith. Pater Angelus stood by his word, even when ordered three times to convert and even when entreated by the other forcefully converted Catholics. The result was one of the most appalling scenes imaginable in twentieth-century Europe.
    After a sign from the Orthodox priest, the soldiers fell upon the Franciscan, ripped off his tunic and began beating him with the butts of their rifles. Pater Angelus collapsed after several of his bones and ribs had been fractured. At this moment, the Orthodox priest stopped the soldiers and asked him if he was now willing to convert. Again he shook his head and said placidly, "No, I will not abandon my faith and break my oath." Pater Angelus was beaten with the rifle butts again until one of the soldiers plunged a bayonet through the priest's lungs and put an end to his suffering.

Personally I have nothing against ,but in that case Albanians in South Serbia should have the right to secede  and join Kosova.

In June NATO and Yugoslavia signed a peace accord outlining troop withdrawal and the return of nearly one million ethnic Albanians as well as another 500,000 displaced within the province.

Source  Britannica

The others are official data’s that you can find by your own.

That’s simply not true:

Be sure that the Serbian official history,doesn’t claim that we came from Caucasus,or  explain our presence with a post ww2 emigrantions,like you do.  

Our reap is Independence ,and i can show you photos too but its not my intention.As i said for me a church and a mosque are exactly the same thing. But this is is disgusting:

It makes me wonder if perhaps Vaso did have the right idea

First of all you have to bring here names.I don’t doubt that actually a English said that but at least have the decency to bring his name.

Some info about the Prizren league:

The Treaty of San Stefano triggered profound anxiety among the Albanians meanwhile, and it spurred their leaders to organize a defense of the lands they inhabited. In the spring of 1878, influential Albanians in Constantinople--including Abdyl Frasheri, the Albanian national movement's leading figure during its early years--organized a secret committee to direct the Albanians' resistance. In May the group called for a general meeting of representatives from all the Albanian-populated lands. On June 10, 1878, about eighty delegates, mostly Muslim religious leaders, clan chiefs, and other influential people from the four Albanian-populated Ottoman vilayets, met in the Kosovo town of Prizren. The delegates set up a standing organization, the Prizren League, under the direction of a central committee that had the power to impose taxes and raise an army. The Prizren League worked to gain autonomy for the Albanians and to thwart implementation of the Treaty of San Stefano, but not to create an independent Albania.

In July 1878, the league sent a memorandum to the Great Powers at the Congress of Berlin, which was called to settle the unresolved problems of Turkish War, demanding that all Albanians be united in a single Ottoman province that would be governed from Bitola by a Turkish governor who would be advised by an Albanian committee elected by universal suffrage.

The Sublime Porte, in fact, armed the Albanians and allowed them to levy taxes, and when the Ottoman army withdrew from areas awarded to Montenegro under the Treaty of Berlin, Roman Catholic Albanian tribesmen simply took control. The Albanians' successful resistance to the treaty forced the Great Powers to alter the border, returning Gusinje and Plav to the Ottoman Empire and granting Montenegro the mostly Muslim Albanian-populated coastal town of Ulcinj. But the Albanians there refused to surrender as well. Finally, the Great Powers blockaded Ulcinj by sea and pressured the Ottoman authorities to bring the Albanians under control. The Great Powers decided in 1881 to cede Greece only Thessaly and the small Albanian-populated district of Arta.

Faced with growing international pressure "to pacify" the refractory Albanians, the sultan dispatched a large army under Dervish Turgut Pasha to suppress the Prizren League and deliver Ulcinj to Montenegro. Albanians loyal to the empire supported the Sublime Porte's military intervention. In April 1881, Dervish Pasha's 10,000 men captured Prizren and later crushed the resistance at Ulcinj. The Prizren League's leaders and their families were arrested and deported. Frasheri, who originally received a death sentence, was imprisoned until 1885 and exiled until his death seven years later. In the three years it survived, the Prizren League effectively made the Great Powers aware of the Albanian people and their national interests. Montenegro and Greece received much less Albanian-populated territory than they would have won without the league's resistance.

http://lcweb2.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?frd/cstdy:@field(DOCID+al0021)

You are speaking without thinking,and you don’t look very neutral.As I said I would like to see some proofs backing your statements:

Obviously you don’t know the difference between ignorance and stupidity,and as I said I never called you stupid.And spare me the rest please.

Here you have another NYT article:

 The World; Kosovo's Brutal Game of See-Saw

ANTAGONISMS between Serbs and Albanians have marked Kosovo's history since the disintegration of the Ottoman Empire. Christian Serb forces seized the province in October 1912 during the first Balkan War. Massive recriminations against local Muslim Albanians followed, including the burning of villages and forced conversions, which were described by reporters, including the Vienna correspondent of the Ukrainian newspaper Kievskaia Mysl, Lev Bronshtein, later known as Leon Trotsky. At the time, Serbs made up about 25 percent of a population of about 300,000; most of the rest were Muslims who identified themselves as either Turks or Albanians. An estimated 20,000 Albanians were killed.

Under Serb rule, periodic revolts by Albanian guerrillas known as kacaks broke out. The Government confiscated land for Serb settlers, many of whom formed armed bands known as chetniks to fight the kacaks. Perhaps 70,000 Serbs settled between the wars; nearly 100,000 Albanians were driven out.

When Italy and Germany occupied Kosovo in 1941, the Albanians, armed by the fascists, forced out at least 40,000 Serbs and Montenegrins.

Then Tito's partisans took the province, after quelling a rebellion that left as many as 10,000 Albanians dead. Tito largely suppressed ethnic rivalries and in 1974 granted Kosovo autonomy; harassment of Serbs increased and perhaps as many as 50,000 left. Slobodan Milosevic, as Serbia's President, revoked Kosovo's autonomy in 1989. Some 200,000 Serbs were left -- 10 percent of the population. CHRIS HEDGES

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C07E6DA1030F93BA15750C0A96F958260

More bias sources? This from the man that endources the war crimes of NATO? Nice try.

Your try wasn’t even nice. Malcom was quoting an important Serbian official and Yugoslav archives.

And other sources state one way or another. My point being is that it was around half/half.

Its more honorable if you just admit your mistake.

Their cultural original center was in Raskia, that after the Serbian invasion,Kosova,and from the ottoman invasion till the present times Belgrade bacame their only main center.I don’t think any right is need to state some obvious facts.

1.8 %,are you serious?

 Well you just destroyed any sense of objectivity concerning Balkan history. To say the Turks didn't harm or opress their subjects in the Balkans is mindless. My country did not have a single turkish fort north of the Danube and we managed to be only nominal vassals and I know the horrors the Turks did. Let alone a nation fully ruled by the Turks such as Bulgaria, Greece or Serbia.

You forgot to put Albania in those nations,i assume you just forgot it,since you are not biased,right?

And what is my motivation? Or the Serbs? And what did he say so much different in his speech?

Meaningless statement unless you want to go somewhere with it.

He clearly says that he is going to liberate Albanians as well, because they were suffering together with Serbs. Instead you are saying that Serbs suffered under the Albanians.If they “suffered” a little bit  more it was just because of their different religion and it wasn’t Albanians fault.

However all this thing of orthodox suffering under the muslims is just an overestimation, and all those churches all around kosova are the best proof of it. Even the famous church of Decani was under the protection of the Albanian Moslem voivods.

Another interesting  note about his speech:

 By the grace of God, I have therefore ordered my brave army to join in the Holy War to free our brethren and to ensure a better future.
 In Old Serbia, my army will meet not only upon Christian Serbs, but also upon Moslem Serbs, who are equally dear to us, and in addition to them, upon Christian and Moslem Albanians with whom our people have shared joy and sorrow for thirteen centuries now. To all of them we bring freedom, brotherhood and equality."

Thirteen centuries??So the Serbian King his saying that Serbs and Albanians were living together for 13 centuries, exactly the time when Serbs came in the Balkans.

 
I believe it was 1948 when he did it. I don't need to prove it you already agreed that it happened. The only thing debated by us is the scale of which it happened. Since that time until now the figures rosed from about 70-78 percent Albanian depending on the source, to 90-96 Albanian depending on the source. The question still remains who is ethnicly cleansing who.

I agreed that we had close relation for almost 4 years with yugoslavia,but I never said there was an Albanian emigration.We had close relation with USSR and China but we never emigrated there aswell.

And how would Leon know one way or another? For example when the Czar came through Bulgaria he stated that the village he visited in had every man with their throat slit, and all the women were naked having been raped and blinded. He even specifies how a girl around 12 years old was sobbing eyeless and wandering through the village aimlessly. Horrible things happened on both sides the question is on which side was it a norm rather then an exception.

He was a war correspondent in the Balkans so he was well informed.During the Balkans wars horrible crimes happened on all sides, except for the Albanian side,that wasn’t even a side ,but just civilians at the mercy of foreign armies.

Again I don't deny people didn't do bad things. Read above. What this soldier discribes isn't justified to you? After all these Turks and Albanians had lived for centuries on the back of the quasi slavery against the Serbs. But this isn't justifiable to you is it? No because the Serbs aren't your people are they? So they don't matter to you.

You really think that Turks only worry was to kill serbs all day long.They did it at the beginning when the Balkans nations weren’t under their full control, but not only with Serbs but with every people they fought,but certainly this was everything but a norm during their reign.

Fritz had no way to calculate the numbers. Was he even there present?

The daily telegraph account states the same

"Daily Telegraph"

This account reads like a story book doesn't it. Even on a linguistic level it is not objective. I really find it hard to believe that the Serbs would go through Albania, one of the poorest places on earth, with the sole motive of just killing civilians. It says "Neighbores owing money gave away the Albanians" This suggests there were Serbs in Albania living there. You've got to be kidding me. Get more specific with the source or I can't take it seriously, and I doubt anyone here will either with the few exception of those who already have their minds made up for the same reasons you do.

I never said that those lands were 100% Albanian,the same as today there was a Serbian minority.And another thing, go inform your self about the Kosovar Albanian’s, and Kosova in general,they were one of the welthiest regions of the ottoman empire.

Serbs tried to annex not only Kosova but all of northern Albania including the sea port of Durres.Indeed they invaded all these lands during the 1913 offensive but were forced to withdraw thanks to the international pressure.

Okay this is just insane and unprecedent if true. But I really doubt a reporter would be kept around for such an act. It is against the Orthodox religion to do such a thing. I've find this sort of action being taken much more likely from Ustashe Croats.

And why only this is insane?Because the victims were Christians? 

The Albanians in south serbia can be their own country which is even conviniently named Albania so no one would get confused. It seems further instructions are needed for some.

Yeah whatever.

And if perhaps you can muster the strength to watch the objective documentary (I know you have an aversion to anything remotely objective) you'll see that Albanian refugees starting leaving after the NATO bombs started falling.

A documentary considered biased, by its own sponsor and producer (The checz TV),can’t become objective just because you say so.

 

Oh but it is. Albanians had their own university, radio, schools, autonomous government and they used it to try to purify Kosovo into an Albanian state. That is why their autonomy was taken away.

How they did purify Kosova anyway? Ethnically motivated crimes were almost inexistent when Kosova had its autonomy .Serbs were losing the control of the province,that’s right and they were just pissed of having Albanian ,communist leader, mayors ,doctors , and policemen.But you can see it by your own now,their paranoia just made true their worst nightmare, the independence of Kosova.    

Architectural Heritage in Kosovo: A Post-War Report

              By Andrew Herscher and Andras Riedlmayer

The authors:

    Andrew Herscher is an architect, PhD candidate in architectural

    history and theory at Harvard University, and co-director of the

    Kosovo Cultural Heritage Project.

    Andras J. Riedlmayer directs the Aga Khan Program's

    Documentation Center for Islamic Art and Architecture at

    Harvard's Fine Arts Library and is co-director of the Kosovo

    Cultural Heritage Project

Andras J. Riedlmayer

Fine Arts Library

Harvard University

>From the spring of 1998 until the summer of 1999, Kosovo was the

scene of armed conflict and savage "ethnic cleansing." Thousands of

the region's Kosovar Albanian inhabitants were killed and nearly a

million were driven from their homes. Less well known than the human

tragedy is the fate of Kosovo's rich cultural heritage

Serbs blamed the Nato bombing of course:

Among the monuments and sites reported to have been destroyed or seriously

damaged by the air strikes: the Gracanica monastery near Prishtina;

the Decani monastery; the Pec Patriarchate complex; the Church of

the Virgin Ljeviska and the Sinan Pasha Mosque in Prizren; the

Prizren League Museum; the Hadum Mosque complex in Gjakova (Serbian:

Djakovica); the historic bazaars in Gjakova and Pec (Albanian:

Peja); the Roman Catholic church of St. Anthony in Gjakova; and two

old Ottoman bridges, Ura e Terzive (Terzijski most) and Ura e

Tabakeve (Tabacki most), near Gjakova. These allegations were given

wide publicity on Internet web sites, in the news media, in

professional forums (including the US/ICOMOS Newsletter), and in two

white books issued by the Yugoslav government.[1] On June 1, 1999,

Yugoslavia's ambassador to UNESCO announced that the old parts of

the Kosovo city of Prizren and the provincial capital Prishtina had

been completely destroyed by NATO bombing.[2]

Meanwhile, eyewitness accounts by Kosovar refugees also spoke of

cultural destruction. In a survey of Kosovar refugee heads of

households in camps in Albania and Macedonia, carried out in

April-May 1999 by the NGO Physicians for Human Rights, nearly half

(47 percent) of the respondents reported seeing mosques destroyed by

Serb forces before they left Kosovo.[3]

Thus, we made it our goal to ascertain, insofar as possible, the

condition of all cultural and religious monuments and institutions,

whether listed or not, that were reported to have been damaged.

Covering both wartime and post-war destruction, the survey was

primarily a damage assessment. Limitations on our time and resources

and the difficulties of access to some sites prevented us from

making a more detailed study of each monument.

Our survey database has 268 entries for architectural monuments,

representing sites we visited during our fieldwork in October 1999

We found that out of the four well-preserved historic urban centres

in Kosovo three old towns--Pec, Gjakova, Vushtrri (Serbian:

Vucitrn)--had suffered severe devastation. Allegations by the

Yugoslav authorities notwithstanding, it was evident both from the

nature of the damage we saw and from the statements of eyewitnesses

we interviewed that this destruction was not the result of aerial

bombardment.

Albanian historical buildings

The historic city of Prizren survived the war without

significant damage to any of its monuments, except for the Museum of

the 1878 Albanian League of Prizren, which was burned down on March

28, 1999, by Serbian police using rifle-propelled grenades

War damage in the capital was largely

limited to a handful of modern government buildings, including the

Serbian police headquarters and the post and telecommunications

centre, which were hit by NATO air strikes; one 16th-c. neighborhood

mosque and a number of Albanian houses and shops were burned by

Serbian forces during the war.

Other allegations of NATO bombing damage to cultural monuments in

Kosovo also proved to be unfounded. In Gjakova, for example, we

found the two Ottoman-era bridges, both alleged to have suffered

direct hits, to be completely intact.

In the small towns and villages of the countryside, traditional

residential architecture was also a major target in the recent

conflict. Ottoman-era town houses (konak, shtepia) of prominent

Albanian families, and the stone tower-residences (kulla) that are

indigenous to this area of the Balkans and typical of Albanian

traditional architecture, had clearly been singled out for

destruction by Serb forces during the "ethnic cleansing" campaigns

of the summer of 1998 and the spring of 1999. Of some 500 kullas in

Kosovo, most built during the 18th-19th c. and inhabited by

generations of the same families, barely 10 per cent are estimated

to have survived the war intact.

Catholic churches

The Roman Catholic church of

St. Anthony had been taken over by soldiers from the nearby Yugoslav

army base, who evicted the Albanian priests and the nuns from the

church and convent "half an hour before the war (i.e. the NATO

bombing) began," according to the parish priest, Fr. Ambroz Ukaj.

The church and the convent were used as a military command centre

for the next two months, while the army base was flattened by NATO's

air strikes. The only damage to the church, other than windows

broken by air blast, was that caused by Yugoslav soldiers who

thoroughly looted and vandalized the premises before they left in

early June 1999.

Mosques

Another category of historical architecture in urgent need of

protection in Kosovo is Muslim houses of worship. This part of

Europe is home to an indigenous Islamic tradition going back more

than 600 years,

This heritage suffered

massive destruction during the recent conflict. In the majority of

cases, it was evident from the statements of eyewitnesses, from the

type of damage (mosques burned out from within, with no bullet or

shrapnel holes; minarets that had been blown up with explosives

placed inside, causing the stone spire to collapse onto the

building), and from visible signs of vandalism (Koran manuscripts

ripped from bindings and burned or defaced with human excrement,

crude anti-Muslim and anti-Albanian graffiti in Serbian on the walls

of destroyed and desecrated mosques) that this destruction was not

the result of military activities. These were not buildings that had

been caught in the crossfire as Serbian forces fought Albanian

rebels, or hit by NATO's bombs and missiles.

According to statistics published before the war, there were 607

mosques in Kosovo as of 1993. Of these, 528 were congregational

mosques (xhamia) of which 498 were in active use, and 79 smaller

mosques (mesxhid) of which 70 were in active use; the majority dated

from Ottoman times.[8] More than 200 of these mosques--a third of

all Islamic houses of worship in Kosovo--were destroyed or damaged

during the recent conflict, according to our survey and

documentation we examined in the offices of the Islamic Community.

Orthodox Churches

Although much concern was expressed during last spring's NATO

bombing campaign about the fate of Kosovo's medieval Orthodox

churches and monasteries, in fact we found no evidence that any

Orthodox sites had suffered serious damage during the war--either

from NATO bombs or at the hands of Albanian rebels.

After the end of the war, however, the situation with respect to Serbian Orthodox heritage changed for the worse.

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