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Topic: Who really won the Space Race?
Posted By: communist
Subject: Who really won the Space Race?
Date Posted: 23-Nov-2007 at 18:53
America was the first nation to the moon but the Soviets were the first to space who really was the winner?



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 23-Nov-2007 at 19:05
Obviously the U.S.. They reach the moon, first.
Yes, the Soviet Union has priority on the first man on space, the first woman and the first walk, besides many other first. However, the goal was to reach the moon. And that was achieved by the U.S.. The Soviet Union tried and failled, I am afraid. The N1 rocket
 
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Posted By: communist
Date Posted: 23-Nov-2007 at 19:10
But why is called the space race if the deciding moment was when the U.S. landed on the moon.


Posted By: communist
Date Posted: 23-Nov-2007 at 19:11
If it was the Moon race i could see u justifying that the U.S. won but it wasnt a race to the moon but a race to Space


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 23-Nov-2007 at 19:15

Take the case of the shuttle Buran, then. The Americans also won:



Posted By: Akolouthos
Date Posted: 23-Nov-2007 at 19:15
Where is the "tie"? In lieu of this option, I'll have to go with the U.S. I think that the Space Race was really won when the Russians and Americans realized they could cooperate with each other in achieving their objectives. Look at the International Space Station. Anyway, just my two cents.

-Akolouthos


Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 23-Nov-2007 at 19:23
Well, Russians surpassed Americans in the earliest space stations...
 
Skylab:
 
Mir:
 
That's true, perhaps the space race hasn't finish yet... they are in a stand by situation.


Posted By: Sarmat
Date Posted: 23-Nov-2007 at 20:13
Russians were the first in Space period
 
The landing on the Moon etc. were just the consequences of the Soviet break through.
 
 


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Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 23-Nov-2007 at 20:26
Depends whether you consider the space race a business enterprise or a scientific one. remember there are a 100 commercial space flights for every scientific one.
 
If the Space Race is a scientific one, the Americans won hands down. If it is an commercial one, Europe won hands downs.


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Posted By: Crystall
Date Posted: 23-Nov-2007 at 21:52
Originally posted by communist

If it was the Moon race i could see u justifying that the U.S. won but it wasnt a race to the moon but a race to Space
 
Your just playing with words here.. obviously if you consider the first IN space then yes the Soviets won.. but that is not what the space race really was.
 
 


Posted By: Constantine XI
Date Posted: 24-Nov-2007 at 01:51
Space race is the name, not moon race, so the USSR deserves the honour very clearly. They beat the US in most endeavours except actually landing man on the moon.

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Posted By: deadkenny
Date Posted: 24-Nov-2007 at 03:34
In terms of a 'race' or a 'competition', the Soviets got an early lead, then the US 'crushed' them - total slam dunk.



Posted By: Kamikaze 738
Date Posted: 25-Nov-2007 at 05:19
Yea, both nations had their share of glory during the period so I would say it is somewhat a tie...


Posted By: Aster Thrax Eupator
Date Posted: 25-Nov-2007 at 09:40

I don't think I was due to any lack of technical ability by the USSR (after all, they did send the first probe to space - Spuntik 3 and the first probe to the moon - Luna 9), but economic issues. They couldn't have won because the stresses that we all know racked their society just became too much. In the '80s with starwars, the USSR could probably have designed something just as good, but didn't have the money to make it.



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 25-Nov-2007 at 10:56
Originally posted by Aster Thrax Eupator

I don't think I was due to any lack of technical ability by the USSR (after all, they did send the first probe to space - Spuntik 3 and the first probe to the moon - Luna 9), but economic issues. They couldn't have won because the stresses that we all know racked their society just became too much. In the '80s with starwars, the USSR could probably have designed something just as good, but didn't have the money to make it.
 
In the case of the space shuttle Buran, I agree with you that the failure was lack of resources. In fact, the shuttle flew once to space, although flown by wire, so it is obvious it worked.
 
However, the case of N1 and the soviet project to reach the moon is different. In there, there was major engineering problems and not lack of resources. The Americas achieved with the Saturn V something the Soviets only dream.
 
Why Soviets fail? Engineering is hard business, particularly when trying with large scale new technology. Perhaps they took the wrong design in a point of the development or perhaps they just have bad luck.
 
But Americans reached the moon ...


Posted By: longshanks31
Date Posted: 26-Nov-2007 at 09:06
apes and dogs won we was just the pit crew to there glory

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Posted By: pekau
Date Posted: 30-Nov-2007 at 22:40
Techinically, the Soviets won for entering space for the first time. (Both manned and unmanned). Americans incoperated space race into their economy and other aspects of life while the Soviets used it for pure military and security purposes... so Americans used space exploration more efficiently...
 
But I don't think anyone really won the space race. Access to space is still quite limited. Just because Vikings discovered America first doesn't mean they won the race to find the New World, right? The race for New World was concluded when transportation, communication and colonization of North/South America have been established. Space race is still going on, though US is very much ahead for now.


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 01-Dec-2007 at 00:37
Yeap. And there haven't been any trip to the Moon in the last 35 years!!!
The next trip there will be in 2020! 50 years after the first trip. And that with luck because the U.S. could suspend the program like it has done with many others before.
 
Amazing.
 
 


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Posted By: mamikon
Date Posted: 01-Dec-2007 at 02:11
the USSR/Russia has had 75% of world's total space flights...hence my vote


Posted By: Penelope
Date Posted: 01-Dec-2007 at 07:58
It doesnt matter who supposedly "won", what matters is the fact that the human race as a whole, has reached a new plateau so to speak.


Posted By: Brian J Checco
Date Posted: 01-Dec-2007 at 11:51
Yeah, so we can discover and colonize new worlds and screw them up just as bad as we did this one... congratu-f*cking-lations, Mankind; or as we ought to put it, the Plague of Locusts.


Posted By: longshanks31
Date Posted: 06-Dec-2007 at 22:33
the terraforming of mars is possible, where we would venture after that is hard to say, maybe the moon europa,

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Posted By: nova roma
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2008 at 09:06
let's all stop this pointless bickering and remember one thing: the respect and admiration we have for our friends, or comrades, the real heroes of the space race, the space monkeys






RIP little dude


Posted By: nova roma
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2008 at 09:08
Originally posted by longshanks31

the terraforming of mars is possible, where we would venture after that is hard to say, maybe the moon europa,


The US will have a permanent moon colony by 2024, possibly earlier.

I can't think of a better start for this type of research


Posted By: Sun Tzu
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2008 at 13:52
I heard that Bush Wants a moon base in 2010 and wants to be on Mars in 2020. And by the way have any of you ever read or heard about the Phobos Incident?

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Posted By: Cataln
Date Posted: 08-Jan-2008 at 18:33
There is actual considerably research by private companies around the world, including U.S. and Japanese, for the construction of cheap deployable structures for a possible lunar base and even for mining asteroids near-Earth (possibly in the asteroid belt behind Mars).  I was surprised to find the amount of articles I found in different databases online on space construction projects.  It's actually quite fascinating - I thought it was all science fiction!


Posted By: pekau
Date Posted: 09-Jan-2008 at 05:07
Originally posted by nova roma

Originally posted by longshanks31

the terraforming of mars is possible, where we would venture after that is hard to say, maybe the moon europa,


The US will have a permanent moon colony by 2024, possibly earlier.

I can't think of a better start for this type of research
 
Research or military base, quite possible. Civilian colony? I doubt that will be possible by 2024, unless something really bad happens to the Earth..Confused


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Posted By: nova roma
Date Posted: 09-Jan-2008 at 05:32
Originally posted by pekau

Originally posted by nova roma

Originally posted by longshanks31

the terraforming of mars is possible, where we would venture after that is hard to say, maybe the moon europa,


The US will have a permanent moon colony by 2024, possibly earlier.

I can't think of a better start for this type of research
 
Research or military base, quite possible. Civilian colony? I doubt that will be possible by 2024, unless something really bad happens to the Earth..Confused


I worded that wrong. It will be a research facility, obviously. But it will be permanently occupied.


Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 09-Jan-2008 at 09:57
I think people here have made it clear that the space race is still going on.

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 14-Feb-2008 at 09:27
That's what the russians want you to think.

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Posted By: Sun Tzu
Date Posted: 15-Feb-2008 at 19:03
Well the Russian still have aspirations for space exploration.

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Posted By: IDonT
Date Posted: 07-Mar-2008 at 14:20
US is the only nation to:
  1. Land a man on the moon and send him back to earth safely
  2. Sucessfully land space probes and rovers on Mars
  3. Sent space probes to the outer planets
  4. Sent space probes that left the solar system
  5. Sent more people in space than every one else

 



Posted By: Seko
Date Posted: 07-Mar-2008 at 19:12

My neighbor holds the record for:

1. Most frogs sent to orbit in an estes rocket.


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Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 07-Mar-2008 at 19:20
Ren & Stimpy.

other than that. well, if it was really a race, the first one gets the price, so USSR wins. really, it matters little if the other guy keeps on running for miles and then declares he won by claiming a new finish line and waiting for the real winner to quit the field...


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 22-Mar-2008 at 01:01
The moon landings were a hoax, therefore Russia by default.


Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 22-Mar-2008 at 02:51
Originally posted by Balian

The moon landings were a hoax, therefore Russia by default.
 
 
 
 
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Posted By: Siege Tower
Date Posted: 22-Mar-2008 at 15:08
the space race merely just began,  China and Japan just send probes to the moon, and india by the end of the decade.

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Posted By: deadkenny
Date Posted: 05-Apr-2008 at 22:00
Originally posted by Temujin

Ren & Stimpy.

other than that. well, if it was really a race, the first one gets the price, so USSR wins. really, it matters little if the other guy keeps on running for miles and then declares he won by claiming a new finish line and waiting for the real winner to quit the field...
 
But on what basis was the USSR the 'first one'?  Why is simply orbiting a human being in a capsule the only meaningful 'finish line'?


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 09-Apr-2008 at 10:46
Nobody won.

That's because the Soviets and Americans missed the point. So they both lost.




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Posted By: pekau
Date Posted: 22-Apr-2008 at 17:44
Originally posted by The Cosmic Fool

Nobody won.

That's because the Soviets and Americans missed the point. So they both lost.


 
There is some truth to it. Wink


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Posted By: Julius Augustus
Date Posted: 22-Apr-2008 at 18:10
astroboy won it, I saw him going through space yesterday...


Posted By: pekau
Date Posted: 22-Apr-2008 at 18:14
Originally posted by Julius Augustus

the dog and the monkey won, no doubt about it, and may be the rats, mice and bacterias on board as well. they were the first. 
 
I don't know... it's hard to picture that dogs and monkeys won when we are running with them with leash around their neck...Ermm Um... animal rights are cool...Stern%20Smile


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Posted By: Julius Augustus
Date Posted: 22-Apr-2008 at 18:16
Originally posted by pekau

Originally posted by Julius Augustus

the dog and the monkey won, no doubt about it, and may be the rats, mice and bacterias on board as well. they were the first. 
 
I don't know... it's hard to picture that dogs and monkeys won when we are running with them with leash around their neck...Ermm Um... animal rights are cool...Stern%20Smile


it was a corny joke, I gotta change it I said, there you go astroboy.

woahk, you were fast pekau


Posted By: Siege Tower
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2008 at 00:51
it turned out that Chinese were the first to enter the space age
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wan_Hu - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wan_Hu
 


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Posted By: Julius Augustus
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2008 at 03:08
Originally posted by Siege Tower

it turned out that Chinese were the first to enter the space age
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wan_Hu - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wan_Hu
 


If you are going to use a myth than may be the Summerians were the first  ones in space.


Posted By: Siege Tower
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2008 at 14:48
Chill man, i was pointing that out for fun.


Posted By: pekau
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2008 at 18:22
I heard about a stupid rumor about how Turkish scientists tried to open trade routes with "Lunar civilization" by using gigantic Turkish cannon as human launcher to the Moon... but I think it's just a fictional rumor. Anyone else heard about this?

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Posted By: Siege Tower
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2008 at 22:58
never heard of it, but it sounds extremely similar to the plot in the sci-fiction "From the Earth to the Moon" written by Jules Verne.


Posted By: Julius Augustus
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2008 at 08:30
Originally posted by Siege Tower

Chill man, i was pointing that out for fun.


same here, dude, chill not everybody is outtha gett ya.

Macho man was the first man in space-- OH YEAH!


Posted By: Sun Tzu
Date Posted: 24-Apr-2008 at 17:27
David Bowie lives in space (Flight of the Conchords)

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Posted By: pekau
Date Posted: 25-Apr-2008 at 09:14
Originally posted by Brian J Checco

Yeah, so we can discover and colonize new worlds and screw them up just as bad as we did this one... congratu-f*cking-lations, Mankind; or as we ought to put it, the Plague of Locusts.
 
On the brighter side, locusts can be quite tasty when fried. Wouldn't they be taster than grasshoppers, since they are more active physically?
 
It's the Asian thing.


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Posted By: pekau
Date Posted: 25-Apr-2008 at 09:17
Originally posted by Siege Tower

never heard of it, but it sounds extremely similar to the plot in the sci-fiction "From the Earth to the Moon" written by Jules Verne.
 
Lol, I remember it now. I am not sure if the title was the same, but it was based on the prologue story 10,000 League Under the Sea. It was about how Captain Nemo was enslaved by the Ottoman Turks, and stole their latest submarine... right? Got to remember not to get confused with fiction and non-fictionEmbarrassed
 
A good book, by the way.


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Posted By: ScottishWitch
Date Posted: 14-May-2008 at 20:47
How do we know the moon landing happened?


Posted By: Peteratwar
Date Posted: 15-May-2008 at 16:11

Plenty of visual evidence that it did. hard evidence in the form of samples. Testimony from those who did it.

Any reason to suppose it didn't happen ? Any of them ?

 



Posted By: pekau
Date Posted: 15-May-2008 at 19:37
Originally posted by Peteratwar

Plenty of visual evidence that it did. hard evidence in the form of samples. Testimony from those who did it.

Any reason to suppose it didn't happen ? Any of them ?

 

 
Well, there is this Capricorn One Conspiracy...Smile


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 25-May-2008 at 15:25
Well, the Space Race is still going on. But the people that is winning it, so far, are not large countries with king size egos, but a private company.
 
Space Ship One, the prototipe. Winner of the X prize for reaching 100 kms of altitude.
 
 
 
And the real space ship is comming: Space ship two:
 
SpaceShip%20Two
 
The "airline" company is called Virgin Gallactic, the builder is called Scaled Composited, and the space genious that own both and is the designer is Burt Rutan(right)
 
 
This is a suborbital plane, though, so there is still job to do. Scaled composites plans to build Space Ship Three, and orbital ship, if space ship two is sucessful.
  
 
Watch the movie
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBo8t0B5NhM&feature=related - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBo8t0B5NhM&feature=related
 


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Posted By: deadkenny
Date Posted: 25-May-2008 at 15:57
Originally posted by pinguin

Well, the Space Race is still going on. But the people that is winning it, so far, are not large countries with king size egos, but a private company.
 
Space Ship One, the prototipe. Winner of the X prize for reaching 100 kms of altitude.... 
 
Although I tend to agree with your view that the 'Space Race' didn't simply end with launching the first satellite / animal / human into orbit, I'm not sure that what any private companies have done to date really rivals the achievements of the US, or of Russia for that matter.  Not YET anyway.


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Posted By: deadkenny
Date Posted: 25-May-2008 at 16:08
Originally posted by ScottishWitch

How do we know the moon landing happened?
 
OK, conspiracy theories - well ultimately it comes down to whether one accepts the general 'scientific principle' of the simplest explanation being the best.  Sure, one could simply argue that any evidence to support the argument that the landings actually happened was contrived in order to perpetuate the hoax.  But at some point doesn't the effort to create and maintain the deception actually exceed the effort necessary to actually accomplish the act legitimately?  If the landings truly were a hoax, why repeat the effort?  Wouldn't once be sufficient to 'prove the point'?  Repeating it again and again simply increases the number of people involved and therefore increases the risk of the deception being exposed.  Look at the nature of the Lunar Landing Module.  The 'base' was left behind on the surface.  If the entire thing was 'faked', why add that complicating aspect?  It would be a lot 'neater' and 'cleaner' to leave nothing behind, and thereby leave no trace that the landing had occurred.  The number of people who would have to have been involved in order to perpetuate such a hoax is simply too great for it to be a viable explanation.


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 25-May-2008 at 16:17

Absolutely!

To verify that people landed on the moon, the only things needed is to go back there and see the bases of the moon modules of the Apollo 11, 12, 14, 15, 16 and 17, that has to be somewhere in the surface. In there must be still not only the moon cars and gears, but also organic remains! So, sooner of later the conspiracy theory will be shown false.


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Posted By: red clay
Date Posted: 25-May-2008 at 21:43
The conspiracy theory [if you even want to call it that] is already proven false.  The only people who put any stock in it are a bunch of nutters, ultra religous goofballs and those folks who hate the US so much they cannot stand the idea that the US actually achieved such.
It also helps if your to young to have been alive at that time. Someone who wasn't hasn't a clue as to the monumental effort that went into it, and the hundreds of thousands of people whose efforts made it possible.  There were just too many people involved for a secret such as that would have been, to have held up for so long.
If anyone needs actual proof of the landing there is plenty available right now.  The laser targets placed on the moon by the crews, the hugh amounts of rock and other materials brought back etc. etc.
The arguments the anti's have used are so thin you could read this post thru them.  All of them have been debunked by many, but here is one of the best sites for that.
 
                                       http://www.badastronomy.com/ - http://www.badastronomy.com  
 
 
                                            


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Posted By: DesertHistorian
Date Posted: 26-May-2008 at 15:09
I don't think we will know the real winner of the space race for another 50 years or so. The race never really ended, it slowed down, but now there are many countries involved and the race is picking up speed again. It will be interesting to see what country is the first to establish mining interests on the Moon, or to be the first to land humans on Mars.


Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2011 at 15:26
as it looks both of them!ISS was 9 billion $ project in beginning!Until now they have spent more than 130 billions!America(USA),EU,China,Russia,Japan together will conquer the space!


Posted By: medenaywe
Date Posted: 26-Aug-2011 at 00:00
Spam space.


Posted By: toyomotor
Date Posted: 01-Feb-2014 at 03:29
Originally posted by communist

America was the first nation to the moon but the Soviets were the first to space who really was the winner?


To be the first in space, a manned craft, Russia hands down.

To the Moon, the USA.

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Posted By: Toltec
Date Posted: 01-Feb-2014 at 23:16
Initially the Russian was winning then the US took the lead, then Europe took over from the US now Russia is back with avengence challenging Europe. For the future China and India both look like becoming players, Russia is getting stronger and stronger, the US has finally duimped the shuttle and got some decent payload rokckets, most interesting Europe has its new space jet engine, a regular plane engine that works in space, due to prototype within the next 5 years. If so regular planes will be able to fly into orbit with no jet propulsion.

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Posted By: J.A.W.
Date Posted: 25-Apr-2015 at 23:24
Wasn't it Eisenhower that commented something like..

"Why are their Nazi rocket scientists beating our Nazis?" - re: Sputnik..





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