Die Bundesliga Thread
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Topic: Die Bundesliga Thread
Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Subject: Die Bundesliga Thread
Date Posted: 08-Aug-2007 at 13:11
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Germany's best teams in football will start the new season on friday.
After the hughe upgade of Bayern Munich ( Ribery,Klose, Luca Toni and some other players) , the bavarian team is most noticed team. Last season's chmp Stuttgart, everlasting loser Schalk and Bremen are the haunters. Hope Borussia Dortmund as well.
Hera are the teams:
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Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 09-Aug-2007 at 10:11
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Bayern should be the pre-season shoo in. It will be interesting to see if Klose and Toni can play next to each other. I would prefer Klose-Schweinsteiger/Podolski- Ribery- Van Bommel, given that either Schweinsteiger or Poldoski is healthy. But can Luca Toni be happy playing second fiddle to Klose all season? I love Altintop pick up. He brings grit and skill in the midfield. Hey, Ulrich, is Ze Roberto still under Bayern's contract? Their website still has his name on the roster, but I know he played for Santos in Brasil last season. They should bring him back. I've heard last year's Stuttgart team was the youngest team ever to win Bundesliga. Adding Ewerthon and Basturk will only make this team better. Both had great success in Germany in the past seasons. I also love Magnin except when he plays for Swiss. And who knows, even Jon Dahl Tommason will regain his form from Milan days. This team might lose the title to Bayern but make a big splash in Champs League. I would say they make it to quarterfinals. But the team I'll be rooting for is Werder Bremen this year. Losing Klose hurts. Between Klasnic, Hunt and Rosenberg one of them has to step up big time, I'm feeling Rosenberg. Diego, Frings and Borowski even Baumann in the middle is as good as any other German clubs. Both Wome and Naldo are great pushing forward but Naldo's defense has to improve. As much as I root for this team this year, I hope they have great season and it will be Diego's last season with them. I want him to end up in Real Madrid, so he can play right behind Robinho, just like Santos days. Other than those three, Schalke 04 and Dortmund are perennial power houses. I also enjoy watching Leverkusen, Hamburg, and Hertha Berlin. Bring back Marcelinho, Hertha! Hey, what's going on with Vander Vart, Ulrich? Is he staying with Hamburg? ------------- http://www.allempires.net/forum/forums.html |
Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 09-Aug-2007 at 11:27
hey, king kang, i'm surprised. You are well informed. Van der Vart, yes he is still in Hamburg, he is one of my favoured players. Marcelinho is playing now for Wolfsburg and "fatty" Ailton has signed in Duisburg. -------------
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Posted By: Majkes
Date Posted: 09-Aug-2007 at 14:39
| I will keep my fingers crossed for Shalke and Borussia Dortmund but I think in this season there will be fight only for second place cause Bayern Munich is to strong. Their bench players would be stars in any other team. |
Posted By: Majkes
Date Posted: 09-Aug-2007 at 14:44
| And I forgot to mention that Bayern has Hitzfeld on the bench so I don't think they will have problems with spolied stars. |
Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 09-Aug-2007 at 15:11
Ze Roberto has been bought back already, yes. i also agree that Bayern should be obligatory to win the tile this year. also i have high hopes for my team, Stuttgart. other than that, clubs like Nürnberg, Dortmund and Hamburg should make an impression this season, personally i think Bremen will have a very low start and has to reshuffle in the winter break to stay competitive, at the moment i don't see them under the top 5. and of course Schalke will not win this season either, the eternal losers...  ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 11-Aug-2007 at 01:31
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I hope Bayern can prevail this season, I have been dissapointed with last season as any Bayer fan, especially anyone remembers the team of almost close to a decade ago. It was fun watching the games, and being hyped up in, and around the old Olympia stadium.
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Posted By: Majkes
Date Posted: 11-Aug-2007 at 09:55
I don't think Bayer's fans were disapointed with Bayern's attitude last season
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 11-Aug-2007 at 10:35
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Bayer means Bavarian
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 11-Aug-2007 at 10:36
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So yes, they were dissapointed, because I was dissapointed as well.
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Posted By: Majkes
Date Posted: 11-Aug-2007 at 11:52
I don't know but Bayer in Bundesliga means Bayer Leverkusen.
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Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 11-Aug-2007 at 14:15
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I watched Schalke vs Stuttgart yesterday and Bayern Munich vs Hansa Rostock this morning. Schalke vs Stuttgart was a exciting game. Schelke controlled the tempo first hour or so and they deserved to win up until that point. But once Stuttgart scored Schalke lost their composure. Both are well organized and hard working team. Stuttgart needs a more skilled holding midfielder who can control the tempo. I didn't see Basturk in the game but this is the area he can shine for them. I was impressed with Cacau though. He reminds me of bigger Ze Roberto but I think his game is more closer to Essien or Davids. Hitzlsperger played great game also, he can be the new anchor of German national team defense if he isn't already. Losing Lincoln hurts Schalke's play making ability. Asamoah couldn't do much battling against Boka. Rakitic had impressive first game in Bundesliga scoring the equalizer. Bayern did play Klose and Toni together moving Klose slightly right and back and Toni slightly towards left from their natural position. It worked because Klose's ability to play behind a taller striker as their first goal proved to be Klose setting up Toni. If that was the sign of what is to come rest of the season, Bayern has nothing to worry about. But then again it was against Hansa Rostock. I was excited to see Ribery and Lahm hooking up together. They didn't play off of each other that much but they both looked great individually. They will learn to play off of each other more as the season progresses which is a scary thought for the rest of German league. It was good decision to bring Ze Roberto back from my beloved Santos. He brings eve more creativity and speed in the midfield without sacrificing team defense, a truly multi-faceted player. Altintop made his presence felt after he got subbed in. I like that signing a lot. I wanna watch Bremen game, but I gotta go to a wedding now, damn it. Go Diego Go. Isn't next week Bayern vs Bremen? Wow. Speaking of Bayer Leverkusen, they were my first love of entire European football. Growing up in Korea, I've heard their name first before likes of Barcelona, Man U, Real Madrid, or AC Milan. I bet Ulrich knows why. Yes you are correct, the reason is 'Cha Boom'. Of course I was too young to remember Cha Beom Geun(Cha Bum Kun) playing in for them, but thank God for You Tube. However I do remember the Levekusen squad that went to Champs League final against the 'Galacticos'. Berbatov, Nueville, Ballack, Ze Roberto, Plasante..... That was a great team but not as great as Zidane's volley shot against them. That shot was unreal. ------------- http://www.allempires.net/forum/forums.html |
Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 11-Aug-2007 at 14:25
yep.
it was vice versa. ;) but Stuttgart came back later on... ------------- |
Posted By: Majkes
Date Posted: 11-Aug-2007 at 14:32
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Who do You think will be the biggest star during this season? And which team can make the biggest suprise? Do You know when Borussia D. plays?
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Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 11-Aug-2007 at 15:44
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Dortmund plays tomorrow against Duisburg. i think its too early to make estimates already. ------------- |
Posted By: Majkes
Date Posted: 11-Aug-2007 at 17:14
Thanks for the info.
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 12-Aug-2007 at 00:43
Yes, I know...
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Posted By: Majkes
Date Posted: 12-Aug-2007 at 03:22
You are probably right cause I don't know German. Temujin or Ulrich could confirm it. Bayer is also well known German company - main sponsor of Bayer Leverkusen. Is Bayer Leverkusen from Bavaria?
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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 12-Aug-2007 at 05:35
no, Leverkusen is at the river rhine near cologne.
One of te founder of the company was called Friedrich Bayer, which might have his origin in bavaria.
But to come back to Bayer Leverkusen. No one realy likes this "alembic club", which was always on a drip of the company... -------------
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Posted By: Majkes
Date Posted: 12-Aug-2007 at 09:51
Thanks Ulrich. I always thought that Bayern is most hated club in Germany.
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Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 12-Aug-2007 at 12:37
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it has however also the most fans of all clubs. everyone who is not Bayern fan hates Bayern.
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Posted By: Majkes
Date Posted: 12-Aug-2007 at 17:33
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It's normal. The best and most famous club in the country is also most hated.
Borussia payed sh*t today. I hope they will get better.
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Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 12-Aug-2007 at 17:49
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the other big surprise was Karlsruhe defeating Nürnberg
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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 13-Aug-2007 at 12:47
please, Majkes, if you want to be my very best any longer, don't remind me at this!!!   -------------
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Posted By: Majkes
Date Posted: 13-Aug-2007 at 16:21
They really destroyed my Sunday evening. I was a little shocked
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Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 15-Aug-2007 at 17:14
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Bremen had difficulties to qualify for Champions League today against Zagreb, not a big surprise for me. this weekend they will play Bayern München, which will be a benchmark for both.
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Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 18-Aug-2007 at 16:28
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some major happenings today. Gazprom 04 soundly beat Dortmund 4:1, Bayern annihilated Bremen 4:0, and after a surprising twist Berlin defeated my Stuttgart 3:1 after leading the game in the first half... if i had to predict at this time, i woudl say it will be a duel bweteen Gazprom and Bayern, Bremen remaining insignificant unless they significantly strenghten themselves in the winter break. maybe we'll also see a return of Stuttgart, which has traditionally a slow start, the team this season should be strong enough to guarantee at least a position in the UEFA cup. Dortmudns manager however has already indirectly threatened to lay of their coach.... now lets wait for tomorrows game Hamburg vs Leverkusen. ------------- |
Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 18-Aug-2007 at 16:48
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Posted By: Majkes
Date Posted: 19-Aug-2007 at 00:11
Again
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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 19-Aug-2007 at 11:09
Majkes, you and me, the AE Borussia Fan Project, are expecting heavy seas ahead for our Team. -------------
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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 19-Aug-2007 at 15:12
The current table, please turn it round....
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Posted By: Majkes
Date Posted: 19-Aug-2007 at 16:35
Ulrich, I'm afraid Borussia have the same problem as our National football team. To many Poles play there. I hope they get better soon. Why do You think they play so bad?
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Posted By: Perun
Date Posted: 20-Aug-2007 at 10:15
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Werder - Bayern: 0:4 I think this will be very interesting season in Bundesliga... ------------- Gromovnik |
A great game definitely. I am a Bayern fan, and enjoy watching this new more attacking Bayern, that plays more beautiful than in last 10 seasons.Posted By: Majkes
Date Posted: 25-Aug-2007 at 12:34
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Borussia have won at last. Did anyone saw the game and can tell something about it? Bayern on its way for the title..it seems to be a rather short way.
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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 26-Aug-2007 at 01:40
Majkes, at last the necessary relief. Borussia played well and ol' man Kimovicz scored two goals. Next opponent is Rostock. Another "easy" task.
But bayern did it very well. Frank Ribery plays in a unreachable class for most of the other Bundesliga-players.
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Posted By: Majkes
Date Posted: 26-Aug-2007 at 04:29
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Ok, now I'm waiting for Schalke. Don't want to schock You guys but this is my second favourite team. I think it's not too popular among German AE members.
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Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 26-Aug-2007 at 10:18
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Bayern looked good again this week. I still haven't got over the beating they delivered to Bremen last week. Toni and Klose seem to play good with each other. I didn't know how unselfish Klose can get at times. Ribery is like Messi with Nedved's attitude. And Ze Roberto did not lose any step while he was away. If they didn't loan him out to Santos last season, they would be playing for Champs League this year. Oh he won Paulista for Santos last season btw. But this weeks heroes are their other central midfielders Altintop and Van Bommel. I thought Altintop was great fit for this team and I was right once again. He might be their MVP so far even with limited playing time. And don't forget Van Bommel scored 14 goals for PSV only three seasons ago. Ze Roberto, Van Bommel, Altintop all three can play 4-5 positions in the middle to front. I think that's where this team's strength is. Also watched Stuttgart vs Duisburg. Duisburg is actually better than I that they would be. 2nd half Ailton vs Ewerthon. Wow bringing back me some memories. That Dortmund team with Ewerthon, Rosicky Koller and DeDe were great. ------------- http://www.allempires.net/forum/forums.html |
Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 29-Aug-2007 at 17:25
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surprisingly, Bremen qualified for Champions League
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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 15-Sep-2007 at 02:06
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Dortmund on the way to the top. Yesterday they defeated Bremen with 3:0!!
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Posted By: Majkes
Date Posted: 15-Sep-2007 at 12:37
And only 2 points to Bayern Munich  .
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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 17-Sep-2007 at 01:58
The current standings after 5 matchdays. -------------
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Posted By: Majkes
Date Posted: 19-Sep-2007 at 14:02
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http://pl.youtube.com/watch?v=CzPx_oCVY2Q -
Borussia vs Werder goals:
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Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 24-Sep-2007 at 11:27
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Bremen finally got back in shape by pounding Stuttgart. Diego looked like the best player in Bundesliga that he is. And he's only 22! Hugo Almeida is is the one who stepping up for Klose's replacement job. Even Sanogo scored a header. Rosenberg is disappointing so far. They need Frings, Borowski and Wome back and they will be the second best team in Germany. Good to see Hertha and Leverkusen starting out strong, can they keep it up? What's wrong with Stuttgart? Losing to a Scottish team in Champs League and now get embarrassed by Bremen? Altintop could be the best signing Bayern had.
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Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 24-Sep-2007 at 12:47
 I also aks myself that question... I can only blame the new goalkeeper and some unexplainable problems in the defense. the match vs bremen could just as well has ended 6:1...   ------------- |
Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 26-Sep-2007 at 17:37
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Oh dear, my beloved club Borussia Dortmund was demounted yesterday at home by Hamburger SV with 0:3. The other club from the Ruhrarea, can't remember the name, is on the way to the top, after being succesful at MSV Duisburg. -------------
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Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 29-Sep-2007 at 16:42
Stuttgart has let me down again and Bremen is on acid or something... 
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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 29-Sep-2007 at 20:08
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Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 01-Oct-2007 at 15:22
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Too bad I missed out on Bremen game this week. Watched Bayer vs Bayern, though. Very good competitive game. Klose's goal was least a meter over the line but the referee missed it. Maybe it's time to put that microchip in the ball? Or instant replay review? No, I like the game the way it is. More room for interpretations, controversies, hence more poetic than logical. Karma has its own way to sort out the justice like England vs Germany in 1966 final was balanced out by 'the Hand of God' of 1986. Or injustice to Italy in 2002 was head butted out in 2006. Anyway, Leverkusen played much more competitive game against Bayern than I thought they would. If there is such thing called a moral victory, I think Leverkusen played well enough to take one home. Friedrich was solid as rock. It's still too early but they should be considered as a serious contender for a champs league spot, though my bets would be on Bayern, Schalke and Bremen at this point. Couldn't see Bremen's game but saw the highlights. 8:1!  Bielefeld is not just a bunch of chumps either. Almeida is continuing his success from last week. Sanogo is showing the strength of his game, jumping. Good to see Rosenberg finally contributing. And you all know how I feel about Diego. This team will only get better as the season goes on, as they get healthier.Yeah, I still can't figure out Stuttgart's struggle. Against Hansa Rostock, come on! At this point, it might be more than just a simple streak of bad lucks. I really don't see the fundamental flaw in their roster or tactics though. Yes I would agree that they might have overachieved a little last year but they were still one of the top teams. Majority of this team is still very young. Actually wasn't that the youngest team ever to the Bundsliga last year? Maybe they are still little too emotional. Hopely they can just play their way out of this funk. I'm not quite sold on Karlsruhe yet. Wins against Dortmund and Stuttgart looks impressive on paper but both teams are struggling right now. Next match against Schalke will be another chance to make more believers. ------------- http://www.allempires.net/forum/forums.html |
Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 01-Oct-2007 at 18:02
well, i can analyze for you whats wrong with Stuttgart: 1. the goalkeeper, HORRIBLE. also, for some reason the good defense is subject no major negligence this season, don't know why. 2. Bastürk still not playing and Hitzelsberger was also missign last game. Khedira is also under his potential this season. 3. Stuttgart has a descent offense, but except for Gomez doesn't score. Cacao is occupied in the mid-field mostly or serving the ball for the other, so far very inefficient, scorers. and tomorrow is the match against Barcelona...
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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 01-Oct-2007 at 18:09
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pssst, no more words about the teams of Dortmund and Stuttgart.
München will go it's way to the next championship, while Schalke and Leverkusen will try to stay in close contact to the leading team.
At the bottom, there are several teams, like Cottbus, Duisburg,Bielefeld, Dortmund or even Stuttgart, that look into a deep abyss. -------------
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Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 01-Oct-2007 at 19:50
Yeah, that's right Temujin, they lost Hildebrand to Valencia, didn't they? He's not even starting for Valencia behind Canizares. I don't understand that move. Also missing Basturk and Hitzelsberger is huge, too. Great analysis, Temujin. You should be on their payroll. ------------- http://www.allempires.net/forum/forums.html |
Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 06-Oct-2007 at 19:01
Watched Dortmund vs Bochum and the 2nd half of Stuttgart vs Hannover. No Bremen game for me again this week.  A good win for Dortmund scoring the winning goal with a man down. That's always an emotional win but in Dortmund it's a pendemonium. Dede played great game on the both side of the field. It's amazing Dortmund debuted three teenagers for their first Bundesliga game. All looked like they belong in the big league least on the bench. N'jambe(?) looked like he could be a first team material right away. With all their injuries they need him to be. Worns got two yellows and kicked out. He was dominant in almost every corner kick situations while he was in the game though. One of his many headers turned into Tinga's rebound slam in. It was good to see them digging themselves out of the League basement short handed.  Federico scored good looking half volley off of another mishandled corner kick. Bochum dominated possessions but their last passes and finishes unimaginative.Don't wanna say too much about Stuttgart accept Magnin played another great game. What else is there to be said accept patience. Remember though, they were struggling up until this point of the season last year also, even if last season seem so far away past for them by now. Too bad I didn't get Bremen game again this week. I missed out on Ailton's goal too. He wants to eat the rest of Germany.  Good to see Bremen back on the top part of the table. Hamburg is also surging too aren't they? Van der Vaart is starting to making people think he's the best player in Germany. Top 5 for sure. Last week, I said something like if Karlsruhe beats Schalke this week they will make more believers for them. What do you know, they beat Schalke. Be care for what you wish for I guess. I didn't really believe that it could happen when I wrote and I don't think I still do. With Bielefeld, Hansa and Duisburg coming up they might hang in the top part of the table for least another month. For Bayern at this point, it's not whether they will win Bundesliga but whether can they go undefeated. ------------- http://www.allempires.net/forum/forums.html |
Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 06-Oct-2007 at 20:21
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I just thought of a great discussion topic for Bundesliga fans. What do you guys think about the German reunification and its effect on German football, especially on Bundesliga and the national team?. What were the pros and the cons? What were the difficult issues bringing in East German clubs and players into the unification of football? Was there anything unique about the football aspect apart from general political, economic and cultural aspect? How much has participation of East German teams and players in the national scene has improved in last 15 years? Do you see the bigger participation in future? Has reunification open up other Eastern Bloc counties for Germany as far as marketing, development, and recruitment? How has World Cup 2006 affected all these? Ulrich? Temujin? Majkes? Anybody else? I know I just asked way too much questions but some of them are hard to grasp for an outsider just watching the games. So please respond to whatever questions that grabs you and I would really appreciate. With North Korean U17 having a strong showing in U17 WC in South Korea this summer and North Korean women also having a strong showing Women's WC, I can't stop wonder how unified Korean national team will look. Of course reunification of Korea seem so far away at this point but unified Korean football team might happen before actual reunification. It will a great German football lessons for Koreans. Any professors? ------------- http://www.allempires.net/forum/forums.html |
Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 07-Oct-2007 at 17:29
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The german unification had not a big effort on football, cause the football was and is dominated by western teams. Franz Beckerbauer predicted after the german vicory at 1990 wc, that the german would be unbeatable for the net coming years, but he disproved very soon.
Only a few players, like Sammer, Thom or Kirsten were on the level to play in the Bundesliga.
Today many players, coming originaly from eastern teams, are playing in the Bundeliga but it seems that the geographical origin isn't very important anymore.
And like i said it here sometimes, who doesn't remember the north-korean team of 1966 wc? But back to the Bundesliga......
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Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 08-Oct-2007 at 18:54
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yes i agree, i mean other than Berlin, Cottbus and Rostock, there are no eastern German clubs in the 1. Bundesliga, even Dynamo Dresden who won most eastern German championships is now not even found in the 2. Bundesliga anymore. other than that, in Stuttgart its now officially called a "crisis"...  ------------- |
Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 08-Oct-2007 at 19:30
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Thanx Ulrich. Looking at the map, maybe Hansa Rostok and Energie Cottbus are East German origin? Neither are really powerhouses of Bundesliga are they? Perhaps sports arenas are the last places that feeling the actual effect of the reunification? That's so ironic because it's often the football stadiums that you see so much political, economical, cultural, regional and racial tension. Wasn't Ballack a East German youth system product? I think I heard that somewhere. Looking at WC 2006 venues, out of 12 cities Leipzig was the only venue from East Germany(counting Berlin as neutral)? It's understandable because West German cities already had stadiums ready for their Bundesliga teams. Probably they only needed minor renovations for WC. Although, didn't Schalke build new stadium for WC? I think investing on a couple of more world class stadiums in East Germany would have helped boosting local economy, tourism, football culture. South Korea built 10 new stadiums for WC 2002, all the venues are less than a year old at the time, including Seoul which already had a fairly new and great stadium from 88' Olympics. All those stadiums looked great but most of them are getting wasted now because K-League has hard time filling those seats, exception of maybe FC Seoul and Suwon Samsung Bluewings. Most Korean football fans are only interested their national team and some of the European teams that Korean players play for. Btw,Suwon Samsung Bluewings are coached by Cha Bum Kun, some of you might remember who he is. So there, I just contradicted myself. I guess building a new stadium and drawing tourism for a city doesn't necessarily translate well into the domestic league and the football culture of the city, though it would hurt. ------------- http://www.allempires.net/forum/forums.html |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 23-Oct-2007 at 22:48
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Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 11-Nov-2007 at 17:01
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small update now. Stuttgart is back, significantly defeating Bayern in yesterdays match. Gomez is worth gold! last saturday he made a world class goal. even though we're definately out of the CL, things in Bundesliga start getting better, we now share 19 poitns with Schalke (!). also, this was Bayerns first defeat this season and Hamburg and Bremen are on their heels. looks like its not going to become a borign season afterall.
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Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 11-Nov-2007 at 17:43
Basturk's back. They played well against Lyon too though they lost. Like I was saying few weeks ago, don't give up hopes, they started slow last season too. It's just too much young talents in this team struggle that bad for this long. It wasn't even they were playing that bad, it was more like a bad spell. I think they can still finish in the top 3 Champs League spot, though they are gonna have to beat out one of the top three, Bayern, Bremen, Hamburg. Bayern has not only lost to Stuttgart but they also tied with Dortmund and Frankfurt. Suddenly this team has hard time scoring. Dortmund impressed me in that game. Bremen had Frings back for a couple of games but he's hurt again. Wome's still out too. But Borowski is back. They should play Diego and Carlos Alberto together. Next week, Bayern vs Wolfsburg, Hamburg vs Hansa Rostock, Bremen vs Energie Cottbus. The pressure is on Bayern since Hamburg and Bremen have easier opponents. Will we find Bayern in 3rd place by next week? ------------- http://www.allempires.net/forum/forums.html |
Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 11-Nov-2007 at 18:16
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well, i don't think Bayern is going to lose against Woflsburg, but maybe Magath still has a joker in his sleeve. if Frankfurt can draw with bayern, then wolfsburg can too. but the current bayern performacne should not come a sa big surprise, the problems of last season are still there. the real surprise was the strong start of Bayern. the problems of bayern are in the defense, namely Lucio (which was also evident on saturday) and other youngsters lacking experience. their strenghtening of the offense and Ribery as midfielder got them victory often enough to cover those flaws but as was to expect, it would not always work out this way. also, now there are tensions in the leardership, which can turn out worse if not handled fast and descisive. ------------- |
Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 12-Nov-2007 at 20:17
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I agree. I still think Bayern's gonna win the league in the end. I also agree on Lucio also. Overall I think he's descent and serviceable defender but he has tendency to make crucial mistakes in big games and those are costly in that position. Whatever happened to van Buyten? Did he lose out his job to Demichelis or hurt? I thought van Buyten was gonna develop into the back bone of that defense. Even Demichelis is not a natural center back, is he? After all their struggles Stuttgart is only 4 points behind 4th place. Assuming Karlsruhe and Hannover will drop off eventually, they have to fend off Leverkusen, Schalke and Hertha and take down either Hamburg or Bremen. I think they can do it. Basturk reminds me little bit of Deco, little prickly guy getting in the mix, controlling the tempo, forcing the issue. Right now if I have to predict how they're gonna finish I would go with 1. Bayern Munich 2. Werder Bremen 3. Stuttgart 4. Hamburg 5. Schalke 6. Leverkusen 7. Hertha Berlin ------------- http://www.allempires.net/forum/forums.html |
Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 12-Nov-2007 at 20:22
yeah i can't understand why Hamburg is so good right now, it puzzles me and i think they will eventually drop. Stuttgart has good chances to reach UEFA cup i agree, maybe its too early for Champions League for us...  However, if Bremen continues playing like that, everyhting goes, who expected Stuttgart to win last season? ------------- |
Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 10-Dec-2007 at 06:44
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Podolski will be a good player for Bayern for years to come, as is Klose. Good acquisition. ------------- |
Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 10-Dec-2007 at 17:58
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actually there are already rumours about Podolski leaving Bayern, probably going to Bremen. the thing is, now that Bayern acquired Klose and Toni, theres no more room for him, and more than often he doesn't live up to the hype, so he hardly plays at all. this is also true for the national team. there's a big danger that he might sink into oblivion. ------------- |
Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2008 at 06:57
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The winter break of the Bundesliga ended on friday. Munich defeated Rostock by 2 goals to 1 at the re-opening game.
Hope, one team or even two teams can stop Bayern on the way to the championship. -------------
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2008 at 17:01
I think your hopes won't be fulfilled Ulrich Die Bayer werd'n wieder Deutscher Meister ------------- |
Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 03-Feb-2008 at 19:55
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never! Bremen will stop them.
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Posted By: Roberts
Date Posted: 04-Feb-2008 at 10:05
| The new star has born. Lucky Frankfurt :) |
Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 12-Apr-2008 at 06:02
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Big weekend for Bundesliga. Borussia Dortmund at Bayern Munich Schalke 04 at Werder Bremen VfB Stuttgart at Bayer Leverkusen It probably is too late for any team to catch up Bayern Munich, but if any team can they are gonna need big help from Dortmund this weekend. As Temujin mentioned in the Champs League thread, I think Dortmund is capable of slaying the Holy Roman Trinity of Toni, Klose, Ribery. Reason #1: Many of Munich's players must be tired from that overtime thriller against Getafe. Not only that was an intense extra 30 mins but also it was a Thursday game, not Tuesday or Wednesday match. I know all those guys are trained athletics and even I have played back to back full field pick up games in one afternoon but not at that level. Not having one or two more extra day from an away game like Getafe can affect the recovery/preparation time and general weekly biorhythm. Reason #2: No Van Bommel. He is suspended for this game after getting kicked out against Bochum last week. This might not sound as critical as losing Ribery, Toni, Klose, Lahm or Kahn but Van Bommel is truly the unsung hero of this team. If Ze Roberto is the Chaser in that central defensive midfield on this team, Van Bommel is the Banger. And he's got a neck for stepping up big time offensively on crucial games. Of course, Altintop is a fine alternate for that position but I've heard he's not 100% either. Reason #3: Dortmund isn't as bad as people think or their record shows. Sure, I wouldn't call them one of the elite in that league but they are really not that far away Schalke or Leverkusen. In fact they are coming off of the win against Leverkusen last week. Not only that, they have already tied with Bayern 0:0, although it was way back in October. These are not the reasons that they WILL beat Bayern, but the reasons why they Can. Of course Bayern is clearly better, deeper and more consistent team than Dortmund and the game is in Munich. But Dortmund is also very proud club and this is the most important game for them. And also a win here with a few ties and Losses from the teams ahead of them can even put them on a UEFA Cup spot target range. That would mean so much for this club. Schalke at Bremen? Who the hell knows what you gonna get out of these two on any given moment? Schalke's coming off the midweek loss to Barcelona and I wanna say they are heartbroken but I don't think they expected to get through that far themselves anyway. I think they can use a better striker than Kuranyi, if not another at his level. But I like Asamoah, Ernst, Rafinha and the other Altintop. Jermain Jones and Ratikic(?) showed some flash of promises also. Everyone in this thread already know that Bremen is my favorite team and Diego is my favorite player in Bundesliga. I think injuries have hurt this team more than any other team in the league, especially Frings, Klasnic, Wome and Borowski's. But still they should have gotten more than 1 point out of 3 game stretch against Wolfsburg, Bielefeld and Duisburg last month that pretty much killed their shot at keeping up with Bayern. Every game from now on will determine whether they will stay on Champs League or even getting knocked out of UEFA Cup spot. But they are coming off of the win against Hertha and I will not bet against them. I got to see only a couple of Leverkusen games this season but I'm glad they are back on the upper eschelon. I didn't see Gekas against Zenit, is he hurt? Bulykin is a physical specimen but locks the touch. Stuttgart went through so much this season but after all that they are only 2 points out the Champs League spot. Getting Basturk back in the mid season was key for them. What happened to Mario Gomez and Magnin? Love Hilbert and Hitzlsperger. Coming off of the good win against Hamburg last week. I wish they still have Lahm. I will take Stuttgart on this one. Speaking of Hamburg, they got it easy this weekend, Duisburg. So while all the other top teams are beating up on each other, they can just glide right into the second place. Unless though, Ailton decides he had enough of buffet ambient and start running, not likely though. Love Van der Vaart. He's my second favorite after Diego in Bundes, Ribery coming in at close third. I like Kompany, De Jong and Guerrero also. Zidan's alright too but he's an E (ternity) away from living up to his name. I like Sorin a lot too but he hasn't solidified his spot on this team yet. A very versatile player though, he can play any position except center forward and center back. A Ze Roberto, Camoranasi type player. Before I forget big kudos for Karlsruhe. Nobody expected them to stay at the top level as long as they have. Coming out of nowhere, they have good shot at finishing at the middle of the table. This year's Getafe of Bundesliga. Good job, guys! PS. Reason #4: Lucio. Do I need to explain this one? I think not. ------------- http://www.allempires.net/forum/forums.html |
Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 12-Apr-2008 at 06:19
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King Kang, herewith i give out that you will be my favorite member for ever and a day.
The post above is obviosly the post of the month.
Dortmund isn't as bad as people think. But Dortmund is also very proud club.
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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 12-Apr-2008 at 16:26
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AE News ticker.......Schalke lost by 1:5 at Bremen. A real good day.... -------------
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Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 12-Apr-2008 at 17:20
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I just started to watch that game. I guess it's not a live broadcast. It's alright, no harm done, Ulrich. I should have waited to check on this thread but as long as Bremen won, I can just sit back and enjoy. Thanks for the kind comments on my post last night. I am envious of how passionate Dortmund fans are. Borowski steals the ball from Altintop in front of empty net. Schalke should have scored first. And the commentator says he gonna play for Bayern next season. Soooo typical. Naldo, Diego, Sanogo all had chances to score but it was the captain Fritz who came through for the first goal. Kuranyi screws up another golden chance. What did I say. Sanogo scores the second. Bremen's keeper having great first half also. Bremen's up 2:0 and still pushing up Naldo and Mertesacker. That's why I love this team. Bremen keeper just saves another one on one situation with Altintop. Woooo, Kuranyi scores a header off of a corner kick. I didn't say he's not serviceable, but they could use someone better. BTW Hamburg lost to Duisburg. I caught the last five mins of that game. That sets up this wild weekend quite nicely. Half time 2:1 Bremen. Oh come on, all we need is Dortmund win tomorrow. ------------- http://www.allempires.net/forum/forums.html |
Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 12-Apr-2008 at 18:31
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Stuttgart vs Leverkusen coming up right after this game. I didn't think I could get all four games I wanted watch this weekend. I love satellite tv! Except on a stormy day, of course. Second Half. Bremen keeper saves another almost empty net situation. How many saves he's got already 8? 9? 10?. Well, he's a keeper. Diego's carving up Schalke like a Sushi chef with a light sabre. Kuranyi screws up another golden chance, a header from 3-5 m. Rosenburg scores off of yet another Borowski's cross. When did he start to play out on the wings so much? Asamoah came in and made a good cross to Kuranyi. He should have taken it in himself. Why didn't he start? Klasnic came for Rosenburg. Rosenburg already earned his paycheck for the day. With Jermain Jones carrying an yellow, Ernst's gotta cover Diego and run the offense same time. An Uberman's task. Rafinha came in. Too little too late. Fourth from Diego to Klasnic. Time for brews and brats in Bremen. Another great save from Wiese. He came out of the box and stoled the high bouncing ball with his head from Altintop or Kuranyi, I couldn't tell, they got same hair cut today. I've heard Diego is the most hated player in the league? They say he flops and dives too much and he gets the calls that he shouldn't. I think there is some truth in that. But in Diego's defense, he keeps the ball on the ground and his feet more than anyone else in the league, imao. The longer you posses the ball, the more fouls you gonna get. Also German refs' somehow favor this Brazilian Wonder Boy over other players? As T-Mobile commercial cheer leader girl would say, 'whatever!'. I think most Germans just don't like Brazilians unless they play for their team. Then, they love them. Klasnic scores another. Nice nutmeg. Game over. ------------- http://www.allempires.net/forum/forums.html |
Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 13-Apr-2008 at 17:34
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I'm so sorry Ulrich, for hyping up that game. 76th min 5-0 Bayern. Nuff said
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Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 14-Apr-2008 at 17:56
what a crappy sunday. bayern annihilated Dortmund and Leverkusen beat Stuttgart due to our inexperienced goalie... we had the chance to leave Hamburg behidn but in the end got out of the top 5... at least Bremen killed Gazprom 04, too bad Slomka had to leave though, i think he was a rather good coach.
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Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 14-Apr-2008 at 20:43
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i love that one![/QUOTE] Yeah, I think Hitzfeld must've read that too. Lucio didn't play. That figures. They went with van Buyten and Demichelis. van Buyten is way underused anyway. If Lucio played It could have been 5-3 at least. For Dortmund fans, they do have one more opportunity to revenge Bayern this week, DFB Pokal final. Doesn't the winner of that get a UEFA CUP bid also? I might be wrong on that though. If I'm right, I believe Dortmund might have earned that already since Bayern will end up in CL anyway. So they might take the runner up even if they lose the final. I hope I'm right. I don't know too much about Dortmund's financial situation but any club can use the extra revenue and exposure. Speaking of Dortmund, Jans Koller announced his retirement from Czech national team. I think he's still with some Bundesliga team though. Best player over 2 m ever? I'll take him over Crouch for sure. ------------- http://www.allempires.net/forum/forums.html |
Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 15-Apr-2008 at 17:45
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On Saturday the grat revenge will take place, might be, or rather not, i think.
The Cup Final will see another Dortmund team.
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Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 15-Apr-2008 at 18:13
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Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 20-Apr-2008 at 19:35
| bad week for Dortmund. my only hope now is that Bayern doesn't win the UEFA Cup.... |
Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2008 at 22:38
So I have a question. If the winner of DFB Pokal gets the UEFA Cup bid, what if the winner(Bayern Munich in this case) goes to the Champs League? Do they take the runner up or the next in line in Bundesliga standing? I think they take the runner up which would be Dortmund, I had hard time finding the info on it. Even UEFA Cup website only says they take the winner but didn't say anything about if the winner end up in CL. Temujin? Ulrich? I didn't get to see DFB Pokal final. It went to overtime? Must've been a good game. It seems to me that Bayern has been trying to fumble their season, be it may Bundesliga or UEFA Cup or DFB Pokal, but the other teams just can't take advantage of it, be it may Bremen, Hamburg, Getafe or Dortmund. Who's Bayern facing next in UEFA Cup? Zenit? Zenit got a Korean player, Lee Ho. May be Ho can ho out the Bavarians. I just hope it's not Rangers vs Bayern in the final. Then who am I gonna root for? Fiorentina vs Bayern could be interesting, Luca Toni's former team and current team. The Romanian Mutu is having a great season for Fiorentina. ------------- http://www.allempires.net/forum/forums.html |
Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 21-Apr-2008 at 22:44
I just saw the highlight of Koller scoring against Wolfsburg this weekend. He's still great. You know what he's gonna do with his height but he's got some skills on those long legs too. And the vision, simply higher than everybody else's. ------------- http://www.allempires.net/forum/forums.html |
Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 22-Apr-2008 at 18:58
uh, tough question, didn't thought about that. looked it up and wikipedia says Dortmund gets the UEFA Cup bid as finalist.
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Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 23-Apr-2008 at 05:47
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Oh good, I wasn't sure where I saw it, it probably was in wiki. So Dortmund IS in UEFA Cup 08-09! What's German for Awesome? This can be the turning point from their steady decline since 2002. Cmon, it's pretty obvious now that if any team's gonna put a break on this oncoming Bayern dynasty, it's gonna have to be the resurrected Dortmund. So, hurry up. ------------- http://www.allempires.net/forum/forums.html |
Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 11-May-2008 at 15:00
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While Munich is the champion again, Rostock and Duisburg are relegated, Cologne and Mönchengladbach are back in the first division. Next weekend the third relegated and promoted teams will be found. -------------
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Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 17-May-2008 at 16:39
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Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 19-May-2008 at 19:50
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Klinsmann convinced Lahm to stay so Bayern won't look that bad in their defense. wonder how they'll do in Champions League though. after them suckign vs St. petersburg i guess they will have an unglorious downfall there. can't really congratulate Hoffenheim, their sudden rise from obscurity to the 1. Bundesliga via a short stay in the 2. BL was all hard bought by money. they have more money available than most clubs in the 1. BL. Wolfsburg is headign the same way, havign Volkswagen as sponsor in their back and playing the UEFA Cup they have high ambitions. Stuttgart unfortunately has to play the UI Cup to qualify for the UEFA cup. |
Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 19-May-2008 at 22:31
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I did see Marcelinho bamboozling Stuttgart couple weeks ago. I liked Wolfsburg since D'alessandro days. I'm glad Stuttgart still got a shot at UEFA Cup though considering the season they had. Most disappointing team in last month of the season has to be Hamburg. Van der Vaart should move on(not to Bayern though). ------------- http://www.allempires.net/forum/forums.html |
Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 20-May-2008 at 18:38
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van der Vaart wanted to leave Hamburg since the beginning of the season which is the reason for Hamburgs lackluster performance. yeah, Wolfsburg gave Stuttgart a good beating with 4:0 two weeks (?) ago. a pitty for Gomez, he is so efficient on the field, but last season he was long time injured and this season Toni slightly beat him for the best scorer.... only statistic put him ahead of Toni. |
Posted By: Roberts
Date Posted: 20-May-2008 at 19:23
| Who topped Bundesliga in assists? |
Posted By: Temujin
Date Posted: 26-May-2008 at 19:43
| don't know, haven't seen such a statistic. |
Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 27-May-2008 at 06:49
here you will find some http://www.kicker.de/news/fussball/bundesliga/spieltag/scorer_spieltag?liga=1&saison=2007-08&spieltag=34&naviindex=2&ScorerSortIndex=5&ScorerSortOrder=DESC - stats , if you are able to read a bit german, it will be no prolem for you... -------------
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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 29-May-2008 at 06:01
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I'm glad Bayern is back on top; hopefully now they can also improve their standing in the Champions League. ------------- |
Posted By: King Kang of Mu
Date Posted: 29-May-2008 at 15:30
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I think Bayern will be alright. Lahm decided to stay that's huge. They must've told him he can come out play more. Which wouldn't be a bad idea. Bayern has to find a way to link Lahm and Ribery. But their Toni -Klose experiment worked rather well. Their defense is pretty good except Lucio. I mean, if you are have a Brazilian player did it really a centerback? Did they wake up one morning and say, "Ahhh, Brazil, the land of great cernterbacks! I must go get one before other do!." Anyway their midfield is pretty solid. Creative enough and responsible enough. Ribery is a world class. I like Van Bommel, Ze Roberto, Altintop are all good and versatile. Kinda remind of Chelsea and Liverpool midfield. Podolski and Schweinsteiger became kinda marginal. If they can get anything out of those that would be great but team has to decide if they are ever going to the type of players they were going to be. If not they should stop rely on them and find a world class player, I like Borowski addition to. A loss for Bremen. I think Borowski has a shot becoming the next 'big thing' in both Bayern and German national team central midfield. He's a do it all kinda guy. Would he be able to develop Zidane like class and calmness and ability to control the tempo in the middle? I guess we will find out next week. ------------- http://www.allempires.net/forum/forums.html |