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Topic: Time for anarchy ?
Posted By: nuvolari
Subject: Time for anarchy ?
Date Posted: 24-Jul-2007 at 07:01
  Given that the eminent Chinese Prof. Kang Xiaoguang has stated of his fellow Chinese that :-
 
  "They are just hundreds and millions of peasants and workers, they don't count- you can rob them and exploit them. It's not a problem."
 
and that the view of western governments towards their citizens seems to echo his sentiments, should we not consider that the time is rife for revolution or anarchy ?
Nuvolari



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Posted By: Dolphin
Date Posted: 24-Jul-2007 at 07:08
Yes, Nuvolari, yes it is.
 
I'd go into more detail, but whatever.Thumbs%20Up


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Posted By: nuvolari
Date Posted: 24-Jul-2007 at 10:11
Originally posted by Dolphin

Yes, Nuvolari, yes it is.
 
I'd go into more detail, but whatever.Thumbs%20Up
 
You see, not all of my posts are about sniffing barmaid's aprons- ( as much as I would like them to be ! )


Posted By: Constantine XI
Date Posted: 24-Jul-2007 at 10:28
The net losses from government exploitation and the upper class are preferable to the net losses we would suffer from the total absence of any form of order, law, leadership or one of the many other benefits which comes from having a system of government.

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Posted By: Constantine XI
Date Posted: 24-Jul-2007 at 10:29
Also, there is no good reason for this to be in the linguistics sub forum, moving it to intellectual.

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Posted By: nuvolari
Date Posted: 24-Jul-2007 at 10:40
Originally posted by Constantine XI

Also, there is no good reason for this to be in the linguistics sub forum, moving it to intellectual.
 
 I quite agree, but being new to this Forum, mistakenly thought that was where I was anyway !


Posted By: nuvolari
Date Posted: 24-Jul-2007 at 10:43
Originally posted by Constantine XI

The net losses from government exploitation and the upper class are preferable to the net losses we would suffer from the total absence of any form of order, law, leadership or one of the many other benefits which comes from having a system of government.
There is rarely ever any gain without pain, and wouldn't a good bit of civil disorder permit us to start again in a better manner, albeit at the cost of temporary mayhem ?


Posted By: Parnell
Date Posted: 24-Jul-2007 at 10:56
Do you support the violent overthrowal of all present government and start with a clean slate so to speak or the violent overthrowal of all government... Without any changes?

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Posted By: Constantine XI
Date Posted: 24-Jul-2007 at 11:00
Originally posted by nuvolari

Originally posted by Constantine XI

The net losses from government exploitation and the upper class are preferable to the net losses we would suffer from the total absence of any form of order, law, leadership or one of the many other benefits which comes from having a system of government.
There is rarely ever any gain without pain, and wouldn't a good bit of civil disorder permit us to start again in a better manner, albeit at the cost of temporary mayhem ?


No, because what you are suggesting will result in civil disorders, warfare, destructions of infrastructure etc which will result in the deaths of perhaps billions and the regression/retardation of civilisation by hundreds of years. And in the end it will be replaced by military feudalism which will be worse than what current government offer.


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Posted By: nuvolari
Date Posted: 24-Jul-2007 at 11:33
Originally posted by Parnell

Do you support the violent overthrowal of all present government and start with a clean slate so to speak or the violent overthrowal of all government... Without any changes?
 
The present government of the United Kingdom is so corrupt and self serving that it should be purged in blood - their blood, not mine !
As to what follows, it ill becomes me to suggest that, since smarter people than I have looked for alternatives.  But, a clean slate is desperately needed before the people become so moribund that they cease to care !


Posted By: Seko
Date Posted: 24-Jul-2007 at 21:15
Funny how you dropped the concern in your initial post and swung over to a more rebellious stance closer to home. 

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Posted By: nuvolari
Date Posted: 25-Jul-2007 at 10:57
Originally posted by Seko

Funny how you dropped the concern in your initial post and swung over to a more rebellious stance closer to home. 
 
 
I don't think that I have "dropped my original post"- ( far from it ! ).
 
As for my more rebellious stance closer to home- it matters not a tinker's cuss to me if the citizens of other countries are quite satisfied to remain oppressed and exploited.


Posted By: Parnell
Date Posted: 26-Jul-2007 at 04:12
Funny that, I feel neither repressed or exploited.

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Posted By: nuvolari
Date Posted: 26-Jul-2007 at 06:50
Originally posted by Parnell

Funny that, I feel neither repressed or exploited.
 
Probably because you are too pissed to tell the difference !  Mind you, I may be wrong - when I was in Dublin last Autumn, I was the only person drinking Guinness and everybody else in the pub was drinking tonic or water or OJ.
Admittedly there were one or two hardened drinkers standing outside in the pouring rain with the water lapping over their boots ( those of them that could afford shoes, that is ), but even they were spending more time keeping their fags dry than getting booze down their necks ! When I went and asked the barmaid as to why so little good, honest alcohol was being consumed, she told me that most people worked for American firms nowadays and their bosses smell their breaths upon their return to work. Bejasus, it's a sad state of bloody affairs when a Irishman is put off his drink by nothing more than the threat of being fired !


Posted By: Parnell
Date Posted: 26-Jul-2007 at 07:02
I know its a disgrace, not being able to have a few whiskeys at lunchtime. Its a scandal.

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Posted By: nuvolari
Date Posted: 26-Jul-2007 at 09:31
Originally posted by Parnell

I know its a disgrace, not being able to have a few whiskeys at lunchtime. Its a scandal.
 
Tell me about it ! But I don't suffer hardship gladly, if at all !
When on those rare occassions I still attend a Board Meeting, I make sure that the Senior Partner's secretary stocks the board room liquor cabinet with booze a'plenty !  We'll start with an 80 year od Macallan as a sharpener ( although latterly I have found that a fine cuvee Champagne suits my temperament a smidge better ),and then crack open a few bottles of a very fine claret.  We'll have a bite of lunch ( cold pheasant goes very well with a good claret ), cold truffles on hot toast does very well next, and I might finish on some lightly boiled plovers egg chopped up in mayonnaise ( I recomend a nicely chilled white Burgundy, or even a Pouilly Fumee, with that ).  If I wish for a dessert, I am always very fond of raspberries freshly picked no longer than 12-14 hours beforehand. I always find that a good Hungarian Tokay makes a cracking good dessert wine.Some people might have a glass of Cointreau lightly drizzled over their raspberries, but I say, What the Hell ! and drown the buggers in Benedictine (such decadence ! ).  A fine Montecristo and a Napoleon brandy( at least 40 years old ! ) will do to end the proceedings nicely, although if I can find a suitable secretary who is up for it, I always like to close the days business with a good shag in the Director's flat upstairs.
 Ideally, if I remember to sign a few letters and vote on the board meeting, I can then claim my director's board meeting expenses of 500 smackers per diem.
I tell you, all this hard work will be the death of me !


Posted By: vulkan02
Date Posted: 28-Aug-2007 at 14:29
Originally posted by nuvolari

  Given that the eminent Chinese Prof. Kang Xiaoguang has stated of his fellow Chinese that :-
 
  "They are just hundreds and millions of peasants and workers, they don't count- you can rob them and exploit them. It's not a problem."
 
and that the view of western governments towards their citizens seems to echo his sentiments, should we not consider that the time is rife for revolution or anarchy ?
Nuvolari


Totally agree! Thumbs%20Up The dysgenic administrative, social and business super-structures that we have build today help keep the ever more corrupt and wealthy people in high positions.  These systems must be destroyed and burned to the ground but the end result of it and what the revolutionaries wish to achieve must be carefully planned and coordinated in advance, or else it will breed something worse that what we already have.

Honestly though, it has reached such a point that to watch it crumble(from a safe distance) is just a matter of time rather than doubting its occurrence. Burn baby burn!


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Posted By: Ulrich Wolff
Date Posted: 01-Oct-2007 at 15:15
THEY WON'T LET US DRINK ON THE JOB?!?! ANARCHY!!! ANARCHY!!!!! ANARCHY!!!!

I think you need to take this up with your boss, not the government. But, I'm pretty sure hes gonna say "I want sober, and  productive people working for me."

Anyway. What country are you speaking of? The UK? China?

If its china, revolution is needed.
UK? Not quite there yet.


Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 01-Oct-2007 at 16:22
Originally posted by Constantine XI

Also, there is no good reason for this to be in the linguistics sub forum, moving it to intellectual.
 
Actually, the way it developed it doesn't seem to have much to do with social sciences, either.
 
Interesting though nuvolari's gastronomic tastes may be.
 


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Posted By: Praetor
Date Posted: 02-Oct-2007 at 05:52
Anarchy would not result in a better state in the long term, only huge amounts of blood letting in the short term as without the rule of law, force rules and as such anarchy can not last but will be replaced by Warlords (as force rules and eventually someone would be powerful enough to act as a government) who will establish "order" by force.

Regards, Praetor.


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Posted By: Justinian
Date Posted: 02-Oct-2007 at 05:57
Originally posted by vulkan02

Originally posted by nuvolari

  Given that the eminent Chinese Prof. Kang Xiaoguang has stated of his fellow Chinese that :-
 
  "They are just hundreds and millions of peasants and workers, they don't count- you can rob them and exploit them. It's not a problem."
 
and that the view of western governments towards their citizens seems to echo his sentiments, should we not consider that the time is rife for revolution or anarchy ?
Nuvolari


Totally agree! Thumbs%20Up The dysgenic administrative, social and business super-structures that we have build today help keep the ever more corrupt and wealthy people in high positions.  These systems must be destroyed and burned to the ground but the end result of it and what the revolutionaries wish to achieve must be carefully planned and coordinated in advance, or else it will breed something worse that what we already have.

Honestly though, it has reached such a point that to watch it crumble(from a safe distance) is just a matter of time rather than doubting its occurrence. Burn baby burn!
Well said indeed.Clap


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Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 02-Oct-2007 at 11:45
Originally posted by Praetor

Anarchy would not result in a better state in the long term,
Or even the short term.
only huge amounts of blood letting in the short term as without the rule of law, force rules and as such anarchy can not last but will be replaced by Warlords (as force rules and eventually someone would be powerful enough to act as a government) who will establish "order" by force.

Regards, Praetor.


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Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 02-Oct-2007 at 11:48
 
Originally posted by vulkan02

 These systems must be destroyed and burned to the ground but the end result of it and what the revolutionaries wish to achieve must be carefully planned and coordinated in advance, or else it will breed something worse that what we already have.
So you are not advocating anarchy, but dictatorship by people you agree with?
 


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Posted By: Praetor
Date Posted: 02-Oct-2007 at 12:20
Originally posted by gcle2003

Originally posted by Praetor

Anarchy would not result in a better state in the long term,
Or even the short term.

I completely agree hence what I say next:

Originally posted by Praetor


only huge amounts of blood letting in the short term


Regards, Praetor.


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Posted By: Ulrich Wolff
Date Posted: 08-Oct-2007 at 19:36
The only service anarchy may provide is to act like a wild fire to burn away a corrupt society, and it would have to be VERY corrupt for it to be beneficial.


Posted By: ulrich von hutten
Date Posted: 08-Oct-2007 at 20:32
 
 
 
      (Anarchy is working, Mr. Shirking)
 
                                


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Posted By: pekau
Date Posted: 08-Oct-2007 at 22:32

I favor anarchy... but who will replace the Communist Party? Who will organize millions of Chinese to revolt? How would they be motivated, since most of Chinese are used to government oppression? Who will enforce the new leaders? This is like French Revolution to me... and I most definitely do not want Chinese Napoleon to take over.



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 08-Oct-2007 at 23:47
Why the French/Corsican one wasn't so bad

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Posted By: Ulrich Wolff
Date Posted: 09-Oct-2007 at 16:54
Operation Chinese Freedom

Rofl.


Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 12-Oct-2007 at 15:38
Originally posted by pekau

I favor anarchy... but who will replace the Communist Party? Who will organize millions of Chinese to revolt? How would they be motivated, since most of Chinese are used to government oppression? Who will enforce the new leaders?

If it's anarchy, there won't be any leaders. That's rather the point.
This is like French Revolution to me... and I most definitely do not want Chinese Napoleon to take over.


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Posted By: Ulrich Wolff
Date Posted: 12-Oct-2007 at 19:00
Anarchy will happen only when the Chinese become very, very angry. Even then it'll probably be snuffed out by the military in a matter of moments.


Posted By: pekau
Date Posted: 12-Oct-2007 at 23:42
Originally posted by Ulrich Wolff

Anarchy will happen only when the Chinese become very, very angry. Even then it'll probably be snuffed out by the military in a matter of moments.
 
Great, so we just need to smuggle some angry drugs into rice fields... and all's according to plan...


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