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Topic: Meaning of country names.
Posted By: Paul
Subject: Meaning of country names.
Date Posted: 03-Dec-2004 at 20:15

http://www.balticsww.com/names.htm - http://www.balticsww.com/names.htm

Ok

England is simple Eng is old English for Angel.

Rhodesia, now defunct, was named after South Africa Prime Minister Cecil Rhodes.

China after the 1st emperor, Chin.

Mexico from the Aztec tribal name, Mexica.

America comes from Amerigo Vespucci who discovered it.

Europe from Europa the Pheonicean princess.

Russia from the Rus (Swedish settlers).

 

Can anyone tell me the meaning of their country's name or any other they know?



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Posted By: sephodwyrm
Date Posted: 03-Dec-2004 at 21:18

Zhong Guo : The middle kingdom, country

De Guo : From De Yi Zhi (deutsch)

Fa Guo : From Fa Lan Xi (France)

Xi La: From Hellas

Xi Ban Ya: From Espana

Pu Tao Ya: From Portugal

Mi Lu: Peru

A Gen Ting : Argentina

A Fu Han : Afghanistan

A La Buo : Arabia

Tu Jue : Turkey

Han Guo : From Dae Han Min Gook

Chao Xian : From Choson, the fresh dawn

Ri Ben : From Nippon, the start of the sun

Ma Qi Dun : Macedonia

Mian Dian : Myanmar, from her capital Vientianne

Yue Nan : Vietnam, over the south

Su Lian : USSR, literally translated as union of soviets

Jian Pu Zhai : Kampuchea

Da Bu Li Dian : The big Bulidian, or Great Britain

He Lan : Holland



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Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 03-Dec-2004 at 23:13
Originally posted by sephodwyrm

Mian Dian : Myanmar, from her capital Vientianne

Da Bu Li Dian : The big Bulidian, or Great Britain

 

That's very interesting Britain is Big Bulidian.

But I think Rangoon is the capital of Myanmar. Vientiane is in Lao (and very nice it is too).



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Posted By: sephodwyrm
Date Posted: 04-Dec-2004 at 03:50
Hmm...yeah, you're right. Now where did Mian Dian come from then?

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 04-Dec-2004 at 06:59
Netherlands/Nederland: Neder means more or less lower. Because the Netherlands are the 'lower' area of the watershed of several rivers. I don't think 'nether' means something in English, so 'Lower Lands' would have been a better translation. (Compare with Niedersachsen in Germany, which translates as Lower Saxony).

The plural (Netherlands instead of Netherland) comes from the fact that the Netherlands were a loose federation, the Republic of the Seven United Netherlands, until 1795.

Holland: Etymology unsure. It means probably low or wooded land.

Dutch: From Ancient Dutch word 'Diets', meaning 'of the people', 'popular'. Compare with 'Deutsch'. Dutch means Nederlands in Dutch, German means Duits in Dutch.


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Posted By: Kalevipoeg
Date Posted: 04-Dec-2004 at 07:18

In Estonian we call the Netherlands Madalmaad which means Low-lands!!!

 

I don't know much, but it seems logical that Estonia comes from East land or something to do with east, as our conquerers came from the west and therefore gave us the name of that kind.



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Posted By: JanusRook
Date Posted: 04-Dec-2004 at 15:29

 I don't think 'nether' means something in English

Actually, I've used that word on several occasions.

neth·er  (nthr)
adj.
Located beneath or below; lower or under: the nether regions of the earth.


[Middle English, from Old English neothera, from neother, down.]



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Posted By: Winterhaze13
Date Posted: 04-Dec-2004 at 18:16
There is a funny story about the origin of Canada. When Jacques Cartier came to Canada he mistook the world "Kanata", as being a native nation like the ojibwa, but the native who he was talking to was refering to a village. So the word "Kanata", which eventually evolved into Canada means village. Nice story I think.


Posted By: mongke
Date Posted: 04-Dec-2004 at 21:38

Originally posted by Winterhaze13

There is a funny story about the origin of Canada. When Jacques Cartier came to Canada he mistook the world "Kanata", as being a native nation like the ojibwa, but the native who he was talking to was refering to a village. So the word "Kanata", which eventually evolved into Canada means village. Nice story I think.

 

Yeah as far as I am concerned Canada is a village compared to the US.



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 05-Dec-2004 at 04:11

Originally posted by Winterhaze13

There is a funny story about the origin of Canada. When Jacques Cartier came to Canada he mistook the world "Kanata", as being a native nation like the ojibwa, but the native who he was talking to was refering to a village. So the word "Kanata", which eventually evolved into Canada means village. Nice story I think.

I heard a funny joke about how Canadians invented their country name...

Canadians were trying to figure out what to name their country, so they started drawing letters out of a hat. As they drew the letters, they read them out loud, "'C' eh. 'N' eh. 'D' eh." And the Canadians got their name.



Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 05-Dec-2004 at 05:09
Well, i suppose its time for another one

Wales - from a Saxon word meaning foriegner/outsider; Native name - Cymru, land of the Cymry, land of the compatriots inother words, like many countries, its name is effectivly derived from a word implying 'people'.




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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 05-Dec-2004 at 08:11
india is linked to river indus by greeks and persian called it hind from river sind at that time they did  sound their s..s as h..s

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Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 05-Dec-2004 at 13:56
anyone know how Burkino Faso got its name?

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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 05-Dec-2004 at 15:01
Originally posted by Tobodai

anyone know how Burkino Faso got its name?

It means "the land of upright people". President Thomas Sankara gave the country that name in 1984. Before 1984 it was called Upper Volta. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Sankara" title="Thomas Sankara -


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Posted By: Winterhaze13
Date Posted: 05-Dec-2004 at 16:46

Yeah as far as I am concerned Canada is a village compared to the US.

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I don't see how that has anything to do with it. There are many advantages to living in Canada over the U.S. Does size imply anything about a certain country. If you want to debate politics there is another forum for that. You just shouldn't say things like that which may be interpreted as disparaging. So next time be for considerate.



Posted By: Winterhaze13
Date Posted: 05-Dec-2004 at 16:48

I heard a funny joke about how Canadians invented their country name...

Canadians were trying to figure out what to name their country, so they started drawing letters out of a hat. As they drew the letters, they read them out loud, "'C' eh. 'N' eh. 'D' eh." And the Canadians got their name.

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That is a funny joke, perhaps that's the origin of that. Apparently, when the U.S. was gaining independence from the British they were considering naming their new country The United States of Columbia to honour Christopher Columbus.



Posted By: mongke
Date Posted: 05-Dec-2004 at 20:48

Originally posted by Winterhaze13

That is a funny joke, perhaps that's the origin of that. Apparently, when the U.S. was gaining independence from the British they were considering naming their new country The United States of Columbia to honour Christopher Columbus.

Dam we should have named it as such. The actual name of Mexico is the United States of Mexico. USA is an obnoxiously inclusive name. Canada should have been named the United States of Leif Eriksson



Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 06-Dec-2004 at 00:27

perhaps it should be the USAV United States of Amergo Vesspucci, that would at least sound more exotic.



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Posted By: Ptolemy
Date Posted: 06-Dec-2004 at 00:34

Canada was an Algonquin word by the way, same with Kebec (Quebec).

 

Egypt, comes from the Greek word Aegyptos, which I have no idea why they called it that.

Also: Khemme, which in the ancient Egyptian language means black land.

And, Massre, the arabic name, which is derived from the biblical character Mizraim, the supposed ancestor of the Egyptians.



Posted By: Tobodai
Date Posted: 06-Dec-2004 at 01:09
I thought it was spelled 'Misr'

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Posted By: Yiannis
Date Posted: 06-Dec-2004 at 03:39
Originally posted by Ptolemy

Egypt, comes from the Greek word Aegyptos, which I have no idea why they called it that..

Nobody knows for sure any more! Depending on the root words that you choose it can mean either "sunburned" (sounds logical), or "goat-fall" (connected to the milkyway that was represented as the Nile?- a bit far-stretched but who knows?).

Most of the words we use about Egypt are Greek and they have fun origins as well. So "obelisk" was a type of small spit that was used in Greece for meat cooking (something like "souvlaki":-). When the Greeks saw the huge Egyptian "Obelisks" (who knows what the Egyptians called them?) they thought they resembled meat-sticks and humorously named them "Obeliskos"

(Obelias = spit, obeliskos = small spit)

 

 

 



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 06-Dec-2004 at 04:47

The name "Turkey" was obviously given to anatolia when the crusaders arrived. When they came they saw turks living all over anatolia and turk culture dominat between the anatolians, so they called these lands turkey...

 



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Posted By: Romano Nero
Date Posted: 06-Dec-2004 at 05:21
Originally posted by Yiannis

Most of the words we use about Egypt are Greek and they have fun origins as well. So "obelisk" was a type of small spit that was used in Greece for meat cooking (something like "souvlaki":-). When the Greeks saw the huge Egyptian "Obelisks" (who knows what the Egyptians called them?) they thought they resembled meat-sticks and humorously named them "Obeliskos"

(Obelias = spit, obeliskos = small spit)

 

Kebab-stone?



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 06-Dec-2004 at 08:06
Originally posted by mongke

Dam we should have named it as such. The actual name of Mexico is the United States of Mexico.


It's United Mexican States, that's not the same



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Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 06-Dec-2004 at 17:34

Since I live here, and the country does tend to get overlooked, I'd better add that Luxembourg is named after the capital city Luxembourg*, which derives from Lucilinburhuc, Alleman Frankish for 'little castle'.

It's interesting the French call Germany 'Allemagne' after the Alleman Franks, and the Germans call France Frankreich meaning Empire of the Franks also after the Alleman Franks, when the Alleman Franks were one tribe, and the only little bit of Europe that still remains of their realm is Luxembourg.

*Note noted for their imagnination, Luxembourgers. And I get bored with people thinking something is wrong when I say my address ends 'Luxembourg Luxembourg'



Posted By: Mr Bobo
Date Posted: 06-Dec-2004 at 22:29
The name 'Australia' dates back to 2nd Century AD legends of an "unknown southern land"  ("terra australis incognita"). Matthew Flinders (English Explorer) named the land "Terra Australis" which eventually mutated into 'Australia'. If the Dutch had stayed on in Australia (they were here before the english) , it'd now be called "New Holland".

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Posted By: Jalisco Lancer
Date Posted: 07-Dec-2004 at 11:07


Mexico comes from the Nahuatl.
It means, in the middle of the moon.
Regards


Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 07-Dec-2004 at 15:49

Scotland is rather obviously the land of the Scots.

Only interesting because the Scots came from Ireland.

Norway is the sea route to the North: any other countries named after a stretch of water? NB it's sometimes said it means 'land of the Norse' but that's a copout.  Iceland however is the land of ice, and Finland the land of the Finns. Denmark is the field of the Danes (although 'mark' comes to mean 'outlying' or 'bordering' land), and I have no idea where Sweden - Sverige - comes from.

By the way, in Denmark don't avoid saying CopenhAYgen because it's the English name. Don't say CopenhAAgen unless you want them to think you're German. Try Kerpenhaan if you want to be polite; in fact K'penhaan is better if you can put the stress on the apostrophe.

Portugal comes from the Roman name for Oporto, Portus Cale apparently, so something Gate or Port.

 



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 07-Dec-2004 at 17:59
Originally posted by Jalisco Lancer


Mexico comes from the Nahuatl.
It means, in the middle of the moon.
Regards

It's a very remarkable name.
why do people call a country on earth 'middle of the moon'?


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Posted By: Ptolemy
Date Posted: 07-Dec-2004 at 21:36

Originally posted by Tobodai

I thought it was spelled 'Misr'

I think having a 'ma' sound is more accurate, but I'm no expert.

Yiannis, I find it interesting that the Greeks gave many countries and lands names, but it was the Romans who named Greece (at least for all non-Greeks).



Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 07-Dec-2004 at 21:40
Originally posted by gcle2003

Scotland is rather obviously the land of the Scots.

Only interesting because the Scots came from Ireland.

 

Actually Scot is quite interesting for the same reason as the earlier Welsh example. The Scots cal l themselves Gaels, Scot is the English name for them and it roughly translates to barbarian in the Angle tongue.



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Posted By: John Doe
Date Posted: 07-Dec-2004 at 23:17
I thought the term Scot came from an Irish tribe called Scotti, based in the island off North-East Ireland.

They migrated/invaded Western Scotland (home of the Picts in the north and Brythonic Celts in the south)

Eventually, the kingdom became known as Scotland.


Posted By: Yiannis
Date Posted: 08-Dec-2004 at 04:25
Originally posted by Ptolemy

Yiannis, I find it interesting that the Greeks gave many countries and lands names, but it was the Romans who named Greece (at least for all non-Greeks).

 

Ha,ha! Indeed, that was a clever observation, I haven't thought of it that way, but you're absolutelly right!

Ironic, isn't it?



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 08-Dec-2004 at 09:22
Austria is the English version of Österreich, which
means Eastern kingdom, Eastern land. I think that
name came about in the 1200s, when the Pope
granted the land to the Babenberger kings to defend
Christiandom against the Turks.

Israel: Wrestles-with-God. Jacob's nickname.

Ecuador is named after the Equator. Quito, the
capital, is named after the Quitus-Caras, who were
the rulers of that area before the Incas conquered
them. The Inca Empire is properly known as
Tawantinsuyo, the Four-Part Empire. Cuzco, its
capital, means "navel."

Yugoslavia is South-Slavland, the southernmost
extent of Slavic people.


Posted By: Paul
Date Posted: 08-Dec-2004 at 10:56

Originally posted by John Doe

I thought the term Scot came from an Irish tribe called Scotti, based in the island off North-East Ireland.

They migrated/invaded Western Scotland (home of the Picts in the north and Brythonic Celts in the south)

Eventually, the kingdom became known as Scotland.

It's very possible the word Scot found it's way into English from Latin. The Romans would very definately have thought of the Scotti as barbarians. Nowadays we use the tribal names of Vandal and Visigoth to mean uncivilised behaviour in modern English, probably deriving from Roman influence. Perhaps the Anglo-Saxons did the same back then with Scotti.



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 08-Dec-2004 at 13:12
Originally posted by Ptolemy

Originally posted by Tobodai

I thought it was spelled 'Misr'

I think having a 'ma' sound is more accurate, but I'm no expert.

Yiannis, I find it interesting that the Greeks gave many countries and lands names, but it was the Romans who named Greece (at least for all non-Greeks).

 

The arabic word is "Mýsr" for egypt.



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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 08-Dec-2004 at 15:18
Iran: [Airyana=Airia(Aryan)+Ana(way)] = Land of Aryans
Afghanistan: [Afghan(Shout) + Istan(Land)] = Land of people who speak loudly
Pakistan: [Pak(Pure) + Istan(Land)] = Land of Pure (Muslims)
India: [Hindustan=Hindu(Sindh) + Istan(Land)] = Land of people who live beside Sindh (Indus) river
Georgia: [Gorgistan=Gorj(?)+ Istan(Land)] = Land of Gorjs
Tajikistan: [Taj(Crown) + ik(Head) + Istan(Land)] = Land of people who wear crown on their head
Azerbaijan: [Azerbaigan=Azer(Fire)+Baigan(Place)] = Land of Fire
Armenia: [Aramnistan=Aramn(Peace)+Istan(Land)] = Land of Peace

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Posted By: Jagatai Khan
Date Posted: 11-Dec-2004 at 10:52

Armenia: [Aramnistan=Aramn(Peace)+Istan(Land)] = Land of Peace

The land can be peaceful,but the people certainly aren't.



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 11-Dec-2004 at 14:38
Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri


Pakistan: [Pak(Pure) + Istan(Land)] = Land of Pure (Muslims)

I thought the name Pakistan was derived from the thirst characters of the three main Pakistani Regions: Punjab, someting with an A and Kashmir + istan.


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Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 11-Dec-2004 at 15:17
There are multiple versions of why Pakistan is named the way it is.
What is for sure is that the name was first coined by some guy called Chudaray something or other (whilst sitting in a double decker bus in London so the tale goes), back in the 1920/30s or so, and he envisioned each individual letter representing something, he wanted a full seperate Muslim India, needless to say, he died dissapointed. From here comes the simplified version, the p = Punjabi, A = Afghan, K = Kashmiri, and the istan bit representing Baluchistan.
In addition to that of course, Pak means pure in both Persian, and Urdu (official language of Pakistan), and land of the pure sounds pretty spiffy if you're building an Islamic republic, though i'm not sure if Chudaray had this in mind when he coinded the name.

Now, as for what the official version is (bare in mind that various founders of Pakistan had squables with each other), well i'm not sure, but i sometimes get the impression that there are several, or that it has changed, or that different people and different Pakistanis even all think that their version is best.


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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 12-Dec-2004 at 06:30
I had heard "Pakistan" for the first time was suggested by the Persian-speaking poet Sir Muhammad Iqbal!

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Posted By: azimuth
Date Posted: 12-Dec-2004 at 10:09

Saudi Arabia  from their founder King Saud.

Bahrain from the word Bahar which means sea and Bahrain means Two Seas ( that it is surrounded by two seas)

And Arabic name for Egypt is Masr which meant land or country (Old meaning not used usually these days)



Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 12-Dec-2004 at 12:59
Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri

I had heard "Pakistan" for the first time was suggested by the Persian-speaking poet Sir Muhammad Iqbal!


Is that in conjuntion with the modern state, or just per chance using the same word.


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Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Date Posted: 12-Dec-2004 at 14:38

According to this site: http://www.allamaiqbal.com/person/movement/movement.htm - http://www.allamaiqbal.com/person/movement/movement.htm

Although his main interests were scholarly, Iqbal was not unconcerned with the political situation of the, country and the political fortunes of the Muslim community of India. Already in 1908, while in England, he had been chosen as a member of the executive council of the newly-established British branch of the Indian Muslim League. In 1931 and 1932 he represented the Muslims of India in the Round Table Conferences held in England to discuss the issue of the political future of India. And in a 1930 lecture Iqbal suggested the creation of a separate homeland for the Muslims of India. Iqbal died (1938) before the creation of Pakistan (1947), but it was his teaching that "spiritually ... has been the chief force behind the creation of Pakistan."



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Posted By: Cywr
Date Posted: 12-Dec-2004 at 15:11
Hmm, intresting. Other sources give the credit to Choudhary Rahmat Ali, who was also active with the Muslim league in England at the time, and went on to be a figure within the Pakistan National Movement. He first introduced the name in a pamphlet back in the 1920s or so.


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Posted By: Styrbiorn
Date Posted: 12-Dec-2004 at 15:21
What was wrong with the old thread, in which the threadstarter posted just some month or two ago?


http://allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84&PN=3 - http://allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=84&PN=3






Originally posted by gcle2003

Denmark is the field of the Danes (although 'mark' comes to mean 'outlying' or 'bordering' land), and I have no idea where Sweden - Sverige - comes from.



Danmark means borderland of the Danes. Sweden literally   has the same roots as the native Sverige, Svithiod or Sviariki, meaning Land or Realm of the Swedes, respectively.


By the way, in Denmark don't avoid saying CopenhAYgen because it's the English name. Don't say CopenhAAgen unless you want them to think you're German. Try Kerpenhaan if you want to be polite; in fact K'penhaan is better if you can put the stress on the apostrophe.


Portugal comes from the Roman name for Oporto, Portus Cale apparently, so something Gate or Port.


 


Just try the English version; you need to have porridge in your throat to pronounce the native Köööbenhääävn anyway.


Posted By: Infidel
Date Posted: 26-Dec-2004 at 13:10
Portugal comes from the latin name for the region where is nowadays the city of Porto, Portus Cale, meaning something like Port (Harbour) of Lime.

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Posted By: Infidel
Date Posted: 26-Dec-2004 at 13:25

Brasil - From pau-brasil, a type of vegetation that covered a large deal of the country, though the portuguese called it firstly the lands of Santa Cruz (Holy Cross) and Vera Cruz (True Cross).



Just as the spaniards called their first settlement in Mexico ( La Villa Rica de La Vera Cruz ).

Regards


Posted By: Jalisco Lancer
Date Posted: 26-Dec-2004 at 19:12

Infidel, so sorry, Pal.
By trying to reply you, I edited by mistake your post.
Sorry, it was not my intention.
regards


Posted By: gcle2003
Date Posted: 27-Dec-2004 at 11:07
Originally posted by Infidel


Brasil - From pau-brasil, a type of vegetation that covered a large deal of the country, though the portuguese called it firstly the lands of Santa Cruz (Holy Cross) and Vera Cruz (True Cross).


Does that mean the country was named after the nut, rather than vice versa?

 

 



Posted By: Infidel
Date Posted: 27-Dec-2004 at 12:13

Originally posted by Jalisco Lancer


Infidel, so sorry, Pal.
By trying to reply you, I edited by mistake your post.
Sorry, it was not my intention.
regards

No problem. I'll put again what's missing...

The two portuguese autonomous atlantic archipelagoes:

Madeira - literally, wood. When the settlers first set foot on the island, it was all covered with deep woods, up from the mountains down to the seashore. They actually set the island on fire before bringing the colonists in.

Açores - The plural of Açor, a type of bird that apparently inhabited the isles when the portuguese started to colonize them. Somewhat like a hawk.



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Posted By: Infidel
Date Posted: 27-Dec-2004 at 12:16

Originally posted by gcle2003

Does that mean the country was named after the nut, rather than vice versa?

Yes, because apparently the "pau-brasil" already existed elsewhere. The country no!



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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 29-Dec-2004 at 14:04

The Philippines was named after Spain's King Philip <insert appropriate Roman numerals here>

The name we westerners have for Nippon, Japan, is a corrupted form of the Cantonese word "Jatbun", or so I've been told.



Posted By: Hellinas
Date Posted: 01-Jan-2005 at 19:07

I recently rean a research article that presented this meaning for the name Egypt: From the Hellinic "AIGYPTOS" that is formed by the words "YPO or YPTIA of the Aegean" and means "under or on the back of the Aegean"

As for the name Greece, it might have been "enforced" by the Romans but we do find Aristotle and Apollodorus that wrote about the "Graeci" that were the "Selle" or "Helle" a Hellinic tribe of Epirus.



Posted By: azimuth
Date Posted: 01-Jan-2005 at 23:45
Originally posted by SlapMagicMonkey

The Philippines was named after Spain's King Philip <insert appropriate Roman numerals here>

The name we westerners have for Nippon, Japan, is a corrupted form of the Cantonese word "Jatbun", or so I've been told.

what was the name before the spanish?

 



Posted By: blitz
Date Posted: 02-Jan-2005 at 07:38
I  heard, JinGu(china) means "little head" on chinese. Rigt? So do chinese call themselves  "people with little head"?  




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Posted By: Gubook Janggoon
Date Posted: 02-Jan-2005 at 09:56
?  It's Zhong Guo...which means middle kingdom.

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Posted By: Imperatore Dario I
Date Posted: 04-Jan-2005 at 15:52
"Italy" originally comes from the Greek word "Fitalia" which means “Land of the cattle.” It eventually evolved to "Italia," of course. Ironically though, though Italy's name is originally Greek, the word "Greece" originally came from the Italians, who called the Greek civilization of Southern Italy Magna Graecia, (“Greater Greece”).

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Posted By: mongke
Date Posted: 04-Jan-2005 at 18:06

The actual name of Greece is "Hellenic Republic"

 



Posted By: Hellinas
Date Posted: 05-Jan-2005 at 12:16

Imperatore Dario I

I think you mean the Latin "Vitulus", the well known "calf god". If it had any connection to Hellinic, it would have looked more like "Bosporos" from "bous"= ox and "poros"= "generally means pathway or provide" a word applied usually to straits. But when we connect this to the myth of Heracles in Skythia that tells us how he "drove" cattle there the name "bosporos" actually does make sense.

Greece: As I said we do find Aristotle and Apollodorus that wrote about the "Graeci" that were the "Selle" or "Helle" a Hellinic tribe of Epirus.

Hellas: formed by the words "elion"="to grasp, to hold" or "elios"= "sun and the word "laas" = "rock". Most agree on the "sun" version giving the meaning of "land of sun"



Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 06-Jan-2005 at 18:43
You guys were talking about Egypt earlier.. I know in Turkish it is Misir (which is the same word for "corn" i believe)...

I think It would be better if the US actually got a legit. name.  Take some Native word or something, it getting to have the title of "America" is lame....


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Posted By: Ikki
Date Posted: 18-Jan-2005 at 21:20

1. España (Spain) - Actual name, since 1100 AC, when the southern french change the name "Spania"

2. Spania- A deformation of Hispania, since 500 to 1100 AC

3. Hispania- Roman name of Spain (and Portugal), based in the phoenician name for Spain.

4. Spn (Sphan, Sephan, Shaphan, Shphanim...) The phoenician name for Spain (if we read 90% of the theories), with many explanation: the rabbit theory, land of rabbit or land of burrows/ and the geographical theories, the  land of the West (from Phoenicia) or the land of the North (from the phoenician cities in North África)

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Posted By: Hellinas
Date Posted: 19-Jan-2005 at 00:32

Origins of the names hispano (Hispanic).

According to Espasa-Calpe, the Dictionary of the Spanish Royal Academy, hispano comes from a mythological character, whose father was Hispalo, one of Hercules’ companions who is attributed with having founded the ancient city called Ispalis (or Hispalis). Located on the banks of the Betis River (now the Guadalquivir), Hispalis corresponds to what later became Seville. An important commercial center during the time of the Turdetanians, who came from the ancient city of Turdetania in southern Spain, Hispalis was later a Roman colony under Caesar. Then, under the Goths and Vandals, it became the capital of southern Spain. So the Iberian Peninsula was called Hispania since the Roman era. The word hispánico derives from the Latin Hispanicus and the word España (Spain) stems from the Greek Spania-- a term used first by the Greek geographer Artemidorus as a secondary name for Ispania, which was later changed to Hispania by the Romans. The latter also changed Ispalis to Hispalis. In his Geografia Sacra (1642), the renown French reformist pastor and writer Samuel Bochart explains that if we wish to understand the etymology concerning the word Ispanic, we must look to the language of a people more ancient than the Greeks. He believed Ispania derived from the Phoenician term span, which means "land of rabbits." And, indeed, the reverse side of a coin bearing the image of the Roman Emperor Hadrian, who was born in Spain, reveals Spain symbolized by the figure of a seated woman with a rabbit at her feet. Before the arrival of the Romans, the peninsula was called Iberia, which means "running water" [Editor’s note: in Greek] and the Iberians established their towns along the river banks or on land between the rivers.

Alot more at : http://www.hellohola.org/mesones/arewelatinos.html - http://www.hellohola.org/mesones/arewelatinos.html

I've heard of some kind of festival that takes place in Seville that has something to do with Hellines and the foundation of the city. Maybe one of the Spanish in here can give more info about this.



Posted By: Ikki
Date Posted: 19-Jan-2005 at 20:10

Of course, there are more theories about the name Spain, that is one; other hypothesis say that Spain is a iberan word; an other hypothesis say that it is a word of the Venetos (umm a people from oriental Alps).

 

But the most popular hypothesis is "Land of Rabbits"; many scientist said that is impossible, because the phoenician didn't know the rabbit... But, the literal punic name for Spain is "Land of Hyraxes", hyrax is an animal present in Middel East and North Africa, so when phoenicians came to Spain they called to rabbits with the name of a similar animal, the Hyrax.

Here the Hispania's coin (fith): http://www.museumoflondon.org.uk/frames.shtml?http://www.museumoflondon.org.uk/MOLsite/exhibits/coins/emps08.htm - http://www.museumoflondon.org.uk/frames.shtml?http://www.mus eumoflondon.org.uk/MOLsite/exhibits/coins/emps08.htm

The history of the name "Iberia" are very large, the greek name for Spain, surelly is most recent than "Sphan" because the greeks arrivaled to Spain after the arrival of the punics. Romans prefer Hispania because were more geographical than Iberia; Iberia was the name of Spain but also the name of many peoples: iberic peoples, only stablished in South and East of the Peninsula.

About Seville, i don't know that festival, but there is a problem: the greeks stablished in northern Mediterranean coast, in Spain since the Pirineos to Ebro or Turia river, and the phoenician since Turia to Algarbe in Portugal. Surelly, if foreign peoples found Seville they were the phoenicians.

http://155.210.60.15/HAnt/Hispania/medocc.jpg - http://155.210.60.15/HAnt/Hispania/medocc.jpg

 

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Posted By: Christscrusader
Date Posted: 19-Jan-2005 at 21:06

Originally posted by Turan

You guys were talking about Egypt earlier.. I know in Turkish it is Misir (which is the same word for "corn" i believe)...

I think It would be better if the US actually got a legit. name.  Take some Native word or something, it getting to have the title of "America" is lame....

Canada is just jelous it didn't get that name.



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Posted By: Hellinas
Date Posted: 19-Jan-2005 at 21:21
Interestingly enough we find the Hellinic word "hurax" in texts meaning "shrew-mouse" and in Latin the loan word (one of many) "sorex" (similarity is obvious). You could also visit http://www.americazoo.com/goto/index/mammals/337.htm
It gives the origin of the word and a description of the animal.

Seville was founded according to what most historians assume by Hellines in the 9th cent. BC, that is why we have the myth of it's foundation by Herakles. Even though there is a foundation theory that mentions the Tartessos but there isn't enough info about them to support it. Seville didn't "fall into" Phoenician hands untill the foundation of Marseille aprox. 7th cent.BC


Posted By: Yiannis
Date Posted: 20-Jan-2005 at 02:46

Originally posted by Hellinas

Seville was founded according to what most historians assume by Hellines in the 9th cent. BC

I don't believe that any of the archaeological evidance at hand suggests that Greek collonization, that far, started anywhere before 6th century BC.

In any case, Greek colonies in Spain were mostly trading posts, it was the Carthagenians who ruled Spain. In excavations in Spain we find bulks of Carthagenian artifacts and only a few Greek.

What are your sources that suggest Greek presence of that extend?



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Posted By: Hellinas
Date Posted: 20-Jan-2005 at 03:27
Here is the first link I happened to "fall on":
http://www.barca.fsnet.co.uk/seville.htm


Posted By: Exarchus
Date Posted: 20-Jan-2005 at 09:35

France is named after the Franks. The Germanic ethinicity that absorbed the others.

 

The "Frank" word means "free people", they were federatis working as mercenaries for the Roman empire. Many of them settled as wanderers in France.

Sometime the southern France is called Occitania, after the language that was once spoken here. Occitan, itself named after the word "oc" meaning yes is the mentioned language in opposition of the French who was using the word "oil". Oc itself is related to "Occident" meaning western in French.

 

My former province is Gascony, named after its people the Gascons, who are Vascons interbreeded with Visigoths (Goth Vascons).



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Posted By: Benceno
Date Posted: 22-Jan-2005 at 20:56
Argentina comes from Argentum (silver in latin) because the natives who lived here had plenty of silver stuff.
Another version says that they called it that way thinking there were lots of silver in the country (there ain't that much).

The city (and province) in which I live is called Buenos Aires. The name comes from "Santa María del Buen Ayre", the patron saint of sailors.


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Posted By: Frederick Roger
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2005 at 17:27
Originally posted by Infidel


Brasil - From pau-brasil, a type of vegetation that covered a large deal of the country, though the portuguese called it firstly the lands of Santa Cruz (Holy Cross) and Vera Cruz (True Cross).



 

Actually, the coutry Brasil was name after a legendary island that was suposed to exist in the middle of the Atlantic. You can find some pre-expansion maps that show that. When the portuguese reached Brasil, they concluded that there was no island after all, but the name caught on...



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Posted By: Hellinas
Date Posted: 26-Jan-2005 at 20:33
Actually the country name BRAZIL comes from from a tree, which was used to dye because of its reddish wood. Also see the Spanish term "brasil" that means "glowing color'


Posted By: Achilles
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2005 at 14:27
Isle of Man comes from the Celtic god Manannan Mac Lir.(A cletic/Welsh sea god.)

Russia comes from the Rus (which is what the native people calledf the viking explorers and later settlers).

Ireland (in myth) comes from when the Milesians fist came to take the land away from the current gods/people they came across 3 goddessess (Banba, Fotla, and Eriu) the 3rd being the name we use now.


Posted By: dark_one
Date Posted: 27-Jan-2005 at 20:55
 Rusiy is also a hair collor, the light blonde one that most Scandinavians have.


Posted By: JasSum
Date Posted: 29-Jan-2005 at 09:47
interesting that china recognize Macedonia as diferent from "hellenic" world coz there are 2 names for the two different nations.

Ma Qi Dun : Macedonia
Xi La: From Hellas

and about the origin of the name hellens ...
helen - from xelen - from kselen - k selen
k - kaj - where ..
selen - moved - migrated - setled

so they got the name from the tribes that were here before dorians and ioninas arived ... and they gived tham the name settled here - k seleni that later those tribes took as their national name and transformed it to their language - kselen - xelen - helen

And there are 3-4 varians of the origin of the name Macedonia, and if there is some interest, i wuld write it here :}


Posted By: Hellinas
Date Posted: 29-Jan-2005 at 11:43
JasSum

The least you could do is cut the propaganda BS. Take it in the other topic you already turned into a propaganda post.

The pronounciation of the name Hellas has nothing to do with how it is written. Actually it is E-LLAS the "H" is silent used by non-Hellines to asist them in pronounciantion.
Origin of the name already given.

The question you should be asking is how can I connect my Slavic origin to the Hellinic Makedonians?

Makedonia from Makednos first seen in Homer's Odyssey book 7. 106
" phulla makednes aigeiroio"

link:http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/ptext?doc=Perseu s:text:1999.01.0135:book=7:card=77

This is the one and only TRUE origin of the word, Makedonia. Post any "variant" you like there is NOT even ONE intelligent reader that will buy your BS!!!


Posted By: Achilles
Date Posted: 29-Jan-2005 at 14:00
i'm not really sure that this is a true origin, Brasil might come from Hy-Braesail.
it was a celtic elysium.

like i said it is probobly not it's true origin though. just thought it was interesting


Posted By: JasSum
Date Posted: 29-Jan-2005 at 19:23
the term Macedonia is way older than doric and ionian settlers to be name given by them.
but i think we are over about it ...

i am confused just by the name of great britain ... whats so great about it?
:}}}


Posted By: tzar
Date Posted: 30-Jan-2005 at 03:02

Bulgaria from Bulgars. But what does it mean.... I am not sure. I think I heard somewhere that it's a greek word which means something like ....barbarian?????

Sofia /our capital/ from St. Sofia. who had three daughters - Hope, Love and Belief



Posted By: Capt. Lubber
Date Posted: 30-Jan-2005 at 08:18
Originally posted by Paul


England is simple Eng is old English for Angel.




actually, i think you might be wrong here.

the name comes from the angles. an ancient tribe from schleswig. they immigrated into what is now England after the romans had left. they mixed with the saxons and thus became anglo-saxons it was first called engla-lond which evolved into england!

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Posted By: Hellinas
Date Posted: 30-Jan-2005 at 08:49
I think I heard somewhere that it's a greek word which means something like ....barbarian?????


Actually Bulgaria comes from the turkish "bulg" not exactly sure what it means, I think I've seen the meaning "mixed" giiven somewhere having to do with the many tribes of the area.



Posted By: Degredado
Date Posted: 30-Jan-2005 at 15:55

What about Ireland? I know the Irish call their country Eire, but what does Eire mean?

 

And as for Brasil, the country was indeed named after the brasil wood which was the first good that it produced. The word brasil, on the other hand, is related to the word 'brasa', which is an ember, a red-hot coal. 



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Posted By: Murph
Date Posted: 30-Jan-2005 at 17:35
Originally posted by Achilles


Ireland (in myth) comes from when the Milesians fist came to take the land away from the current gods/people they came across 3 goddessess (Banba, Fotla, and Eriu) the 3rd being the name we use now.


Eriu is Eire

Eire becomes Eireland which is Ireland
 

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Posted By: Degredado
Date Posted: 30-Jan-2005 at 18:16

DOH!

Didn't see that.



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Posted By: JasSum
Date Posted: 30-Jan-2005 at 19:17
Originally posted by tzar

Bulgaria from Bulgars. But what does it mean.... I am not sure. I think I heard somewhere that it's a greek word which means something like ....barbarian?????


Sofia /our capital/ from St. Sofia. who had three daughters - Hope, Love and Belief



I hope its not so, because in 1000 years greece will say that todays bulgaria was speaking greek, and that bulgaria is part of greece ... not their first time to claim barbarians to be hellens ...
:}}


Posted By: JasSum
Date Posted: 30-Jan-2005 at 21:22
Long before Aleksandar there were ancient Macedonian tribes in central part of today Macedonia than was known as EDONIA. These people had Godess MA, Mather of all Godess. Ma from EDONIA, so there is first known name of the teritory known as MAKEDONIA. MA=MATHER=MAK'A. This Goddess is present in original Jewish Bible as Ma from Edonia
one of the explanations of the name Makedonija


Posted By: Degredado
Date Posted: 31-Jan-2005 at 02:59
What? I never read that before.

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Posted By: Hellinas
Date Posted: 31-Jan-2005 at 04:12
What? I never read that before.

I'm getting the feeling we'll see alot of new "theories" from this guy and his sources (most probably /www.soros.org.mk).
I hope you know who Soros is and what "connections" he has.

Interestingly enough, even though this BS is found in the "Jewish Bible", the "jewish encyclopedia" online has NO reference to this imaginary place called "Edonia".

How about being so kind as to prove me wrong and this drivel to be accurate by posting where exactly can this be found!!!


Posted By: JasSum
Date Posted: 31-Jan-2005 at 04:25
And not commenting of the meaning of the name right?
If it has greek menaing, than its greek, but it has Macedonian meaning so?

About how old the language is. Cyril and Metodi, who invented new letters, did not invented the cyrilic letters. They made up "glagolica" That was something new. But it was dissmissed immidiatly from the people. They turned back to the letters they knew and that existed before. Those today are known as cyrilic. As the legend goes it was made up by Cyril's students and named after him. Actually they just changed the older letters with new FONT. It means the letters exited and are found allover balcan and are dated to 3-7.000years B.C. In this time there were no doric or ionic tribes around ...

But this is for some other topic :}


Posted By: Yiannis
Date Posted: 31-Jan-2005 at 04:56

Originally posted by JasSum



But this is for some other topic :}
Yes, for Fantasy land!

In any case, Makednos derives from Greek "Makos" meaning long or tall.

Jews, especially Joshephus clearly mention Macedonians as Greeks and Alexaner as the "Greek king", so let's not go to them, you won't like it...

Cyrrilos and Methodios created the Clatolitic script, to be able to translate the bible from Greek to Slavic and thus Christinize them. However Glatolitic was proven to be too complicated, so their pupils shortened it and altered it a bit, to create the Cyrrilic one. Both alphabets derive from the Greek one.

http://www.ancientscripts.com/glagolitic.html - http://www.ancientscripts.com/glagolitic.html

http://www.ancientscripts.com/cyrillic.html - http://www.ancientscripts.com/cyrillic.html

 



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Posted By: Komnenos
Date Posted: 31-Jan-2005 at 05:44
I’m not sure if my country is in a unique position, but it’s quite remarkable that there are at least four different names for Germany, all representing large language families and all completely un-related to each other:
Deutschland, Duitsland(Dutch), stemming from the old Germanic word for “people”

Alemania(Spanish),and other Romance languages, from the German tribe “Alemannen”

Germany, Germania, from the Roman name for its people and country,

Niemcy (Polish) and similar in other Slavic languages, apparently from a Slavic word for “dumb, not able to speak( the Slavic lang., I suppose)

And it’s Saksa in Finnish, from the “Sachsen,Saxons.

Does anybody know any more, and has another country a multitude of different names in different languages.


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Posted By: Guests
Date Posted: 31-Jan-2005 at 06:13
''Mongolia'' means eternal fire.

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Posted By: JasSum
Date Posted: 31-Jan-2005 at 08:19
Interesting name about Mongolia. :}

yianis, my moon if you write on maceodnian will be majmun. It means monkey. So see, if it has some meaning on greek its not greek. Ma comes from Majka - Mather. The name comes from here. We have stutes of the Mather godess all over Macedonia. The belive in the Mather - mather of all gods is deep on this soil. And its dated far far back. Its older than doric and ionic tribes.

So the name comes from Ma Ki Donia
MA - MAther
Ki - Energy (people from far east still use this word)
Donia - Land

Kichma - spine in english.
Ki chmae, where energy is quite.
Dorci (how we call doric people) - dorcho is the most common name for a horse, ane just for a horse. no other creature has a name like that :}


Posted By: Yiannis
Date Posted: 31-Jan-2005 at 08:52
No, just that Macedonia is first used by the Greeks and we have no reffernce prior to them in any other language, so you probably have your "facts" and "examples" all mixed up...

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Posted By: Capt. Lubber
Date Posted: 31-Jan-2005 at 10:54
Originally posted by Komnenos

I’m not sure if my country is in a unique position, but it’s quite remarkable that there are at least four different names for Germany, all representing large language families and all completely un-related to each other:
Deutschland, Duitsland(Dutch), stemming from the old Germanic word for “people”

Alemania(Spanish),and other Romance languages, from the German tribe “Alemannen”

Germany, Germania, from the Roman name for its people and country,

Niemcy (Polish) and similar in other Slavic languages, apparently from a Slavic word for “dumb, not able to speak( the Slavic lang., I suppose)

And it’s Saksa in Finnish, from the “Sachsen,Saxons.

Does anybody know any more, and has another country a multitude of different names in different languages.


In scandinavia we call germany "Tyskland". I think it has the same roots as deutschland

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Posted By: JasSum
Date Posted: 31-Jan-2005 at 18:41
Russia is called veneti from those tribe in finland ...
First?
Yanis, Macedonia had its name way before "greeks" ever camed in europe from north africa.


Posted By: Murph
Date Posted: 31-Jan-2005 at 19:04
ugh i'm so sick of this macedonian debate spreading to other threads, keep it to the thread about "The Macedonian Question" or whatever its called

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Posted By: Christscrusader
Date Posted: 31-Jan-2005 at 19:19
The name Macedonia is a region of northern Greece. The name Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia comes from a slavic break away country after the fall of Yugoslavia.

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Posted By: Christscrusader
Date Posted: 31-Jan-2005 at 21:25

Originally posted by JasSum

That name exist just in your head. Ask usa, russia, china, what country they know of? 

Why does it matter if these countries recignize the name? I live in America and no one cares about their new "acceptance of the name." Tehy agree to recignize so more of your soldiers can die instead of American soldiers. Plus, America doesn't recignize any ties to claims of Ancient History of the Macedonians. They wouldn't do this, because they realize they cannot make a claim, such that FYROM has any claims to Ancient Macedonia, because it is simply not true,



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Posted By: Alparslan
Date Posted: 01-Feb-2005 at 00:42

 

Today's Macedonians are decents of ancient Macedonians as much as today's Greeks of Greece are decents of ancient Greece. 

In addition to this it is nonsense for Greeks to tell the others their identity. You are doing the same thing for the Turks who live in Greece. You are still denying their identities and calling them "Muslim Greeks".........

You are calling yourselves as Hellenes, Hellas.......... Well what is the story of this name. Isn't it an artificial name?

Stop messing with others and live with your own facts which may be ridiculous for others too............. They are not judging you. You can not judge them too.

It is because of Greece today we have a country whose name is Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia. This is terrible. You are even interfering the name of their country.  Macedonia is Macedonia. This is so simple but because of your narrow minded, fascist state educational system Greece creates idiot problem such this.

Turkey recognize officially the country as Macedonia. Best wishes to all Macedonians from which some of my ancestors come (they were Turks) from the town Kastoria which is under Greek occupation now in southern Macedonia.   




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