"Dev/Div" is Devilish or Divine?
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Topic: "Dev/Div" is Devilish or Divine?
Posted By: Cyrus Shahmiri
Subject: "Dev/Div" is Devilish or Divine?
Date Posted: 18-Jun-2006 at 10:04
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We know in the Iranain mythology it is devilish and in the Indian mythology it is divine but what was the original one in the Indo-European culture? ------------- 
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Posted By: Arbėr Z
Date Posted: 19-Jun-2006 at 15:01
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In albanian legends Div is a male creature with a gygantic body (like a titan), it is like a semidivine creature and it can be good or bad. ------------- Prej heshtjes...! |
Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 05-Jul-2006 at 09:18
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i touched on this yesterday, orginally i assumed it was an iranian reversal on indian logic, now i think its the other way around. Wiki (yes you can critise this source ) talks about it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deva_%28Hinduism%29 - here (hindu Devs) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Div_%28Persian_mythology%29 - here (Iranian Div) and here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proto-Indo-European_religion - |
Posted By: Savdogar
Date Posted: 20-Jul-2006 at 15:32
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In Uzbek, it is Dev. big monster who likes to steal virgin girls |
Posted By: Arthur-Robin
Date Posted: 03-Aug-2006 at 08:22
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Is the Uzbek Dev and Albanian Div singular or plural/genitive?
------------- NZ's mandatory fluoridation is not fair because it only forces it on the disadvantaged/some and not on the advantaged/everyone. |
Posted By: Arbėr Z
Date Posted: 03-Aug-2006 at 11:42
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Albanian Div/i, singular masculine
Diva/t plural masculine
there is no feminine form, or better say it would mean diva (like in english). The mythological figure, in the albanian epos, it is a male of gigantic forms who can be negative or positive, depending on the situation and on the legend. It lives in the forests, or in the mountains, in caves. In some legend they feed by human meet.
In a metaphorical way Div in albanian is used to show also a strong guy, with a well constructed body. ------------- Prej heshtjes...! |
Posted By: Arthur-Robin
Date Posted: 04-Aug-2006 at 08:16
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sorry I meant is it generic (applied to each/all persons/people of a group, individually as well as collectively) eg deva/s, or is it the name of a particular deity eg Zeus/Dyaus/Dievs/Jove/Tiwas? ------------- NZ's mandatory fluoridation is not fair because it only forces it on the disadvantaged/some and not on the advantaged/everyone. |
Posted By: Arbėr Z
Date Posted: 04-Aug-2006 at 08:23
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it s not a name of a deity, it shows just a group of mythological figures. Other words which could be ethymologically connected in albanian would be Diell/dill - Sun, Drite - Light, E djele/e dille - Sunday, Dite - Day, Di - know, Dituri - Knowledge ------------- Prej heshtjes...! |
Posted By: Vivek Sharma
Date Posted: 23-Aug-2006 at 07:44
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The oldest language in the world is Sanskrit, which incidently Bill gates rated as much better than any other contemprory language for writing software. In sanskrit Dev means a divine personality & God. Both because in the Hindu religion Gods are really simple Humans who have attained the status of God through their good deeds. Since sanskrit is the oldest language in the world, This meaning has to be taken as the first meaning. ------------- PATTON NAGAR, Brains win over Brawn |
Posted By: Leonidas
Date Posted: 24-Aug-2006 at 06:02
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Posted By: Goban
Date Posted: 24-Aug-2006 at 11:13
Why do you think Sanskrit is the oldest language in the world?
Is it not a descendant in the PIE chain? ------------- The sharpest spoon in the drawer. |
Posted By: QueenCleopatra
Date Posted: 21-Sep-2006 at 09:02
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In Ancient Rome Div was divine.
Emporer Augustus for example called himself Divi Felios- son of the Divine ------------- Her Royal Highness , lady of the Two Lands, High Priestess of Thebes, Beloved of Isis , Cleopatra , Oueen of the Nile |
Posted By: Vivek Sharma
Date Posted: 10-Oct-2006 at 07:40
This concept goes well with the Indian theory. Here there were two sets of people in out mythology. One whoich treated the devs as villains, one which treated them as heores. The ones who treated them as villains had Asura Mahavdev (Ahura Mazda in persian) as their supreme God. The others had (Vishnu) Mitra / mithra as their supreme god. This Asura Mahadev was aslo the Supreme God of the Asura race (known to west as the Assryians & to the Asuras themselves as Ashuras). The whole mythology is full of infighting between these two sects. each winning alternatively. ------------- PATTON NAGAR, Brains win over Brawn |
Posted By: Vivek Sharma
Date Posted: 10-Oct-2006 at 07:44
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Cyrus, I risk being called a nationalist again, but if you study the old cultures of the entire region from india to the Mid east & central asia, you would find broadly one common philosophy or a grat deal of unity. In ancient times Iran & India were not separate but one. & that extended further.
------------- PATTON NAGAR, Brains win over Brawn |
Posted By: Xshayathiya
Date Posted: 02-Apr-2007 at 14:29
Sanskrit is not the oldest language in the world. The first written account of Sanskrit are the Edicts of Ashoka (from 250 BCE). Although it is assumed to be a thousand or so years older than that, Sumerian, Egyptian, Elamite and Akkadian are all more than a thousand years older than that. ------------- "I like rice. Rice is great if you are hungry and want 2000 of something." - Mitch Hedberg |
Posted By: sreenivasarao s
Date Posted: 07-Apr-2007 at 10:06
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Asokas edicts are not
in Sanskrit. Asoka's edicts are to be
found scattered in more than thirty places throughout Sanskrit belongs to the http://help.com/wiki/Indo-Aryan_languages - Indo-Aryan
sub-family of the http://help.com/wiki/Indo-European_languages - Indo-European family of languages. Together
with the http://help.com/wiki/Iranian_languages - Iranian languages, it belongs to the http://help.com/wiki/Indo-Iranian - Indo-Iranian
branch. The earliest
surviving Sanskrit text, the Rig Veda, is approximately dated 1500 B.C or
earlier. Approximately around 600 B.C. - there
came up Classical Sanskrit, based on the old Vedic speech. After which period
the great scholor Panini composed his grammar of Sanskrit. |
Posted By: Xshayathiya
Date Posted: 08-Apr-2007 at 11:44
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My mistake, I read that it was somewhere. If I find the source I'll post it. ------------- "I like rice. Rice is great if you are hungry and want 2000 of something." - Mitch Hedberg |