Iranians/kurds

What is the differance between iranians and kurds?Had they  shared the same geography in past?How could be said kurds are a seperate nation from iranians if they had shared the same/near geography with iranians and languages are calssified under the iranian language group?Did zazaki is used to form a national identity seperate themselves from iranians while zazakis dont identify themselves as kurd?What is the differance between old iranian language and kurdish?Had they battled against iranians in the past?

Although there are many different tribes, the differences became more prominent post Islam.  For example, the language of the Kurds, Persians etc were much closer in the pre Islamic period and infact Kurds were largely Medeans, the Kurds of today are the nomadic remnants of the Medeans, the sedentary Medians started to become assimilated by various Turkic migrations, the last of which occured during Shah Abbas of Safavi's reign.  He met resistance from Median (Kurdish) groups in what is East Azarbaijan province, because he tried to foribly convert them to Shiism, they resisted, and when tehy were defeated, Shah Abbass ordered a general massacre and resettlment of Kurds.  The Kurds were replaced in NW Iran by Afshar tribes who were resettled there from Eastern Iran, and what remained of the Kurds were resettled in Eastern Iran.  Today there is a large population of Kurds in NE Iran who were moved there by Shah Abbas after he defeated them.

The Kurdish language (in Iran) was up until 500 or so years ago called Partho-Median, or Parthian Pahlavi, Persian was slightly different, it was also called Pahlavi, but a different dialect.  They really started to separate post Islamic conquest.

Kermanji Kurds have a Caucasian (linguistic) element in their dialect and I think their roots need more study and I don't know enough about them.

It was replaced by Azari Turkish dialect, the language would have been almost identical to Hawramani, infact some 10th century scripts by a monarch were discovered and the language was most closely linked to Hawramani.

Sorry I can't remember sources off by heart, but Shah Abbass's ethnic rearrangement (cleansing) are recorded, and an Ottoman explorer in the 1500s described the language as Parthian.

There was enough difference between Parthian and Persian Pahlavi to require a translator, for the lazy ear.  The Sassanid Shah who crushed the mazdaki (like classical socialist) rmovement needed an interpreter to understand Mani (who spoke Parthian dialect).  In the same way a Sorani speaker and Hawramani speaker would need interpretation.

Edited by Zagros

There used to be more information on this on wikipedia. I had pasted some information on this on one the old threads.

Also, I read somewhere that what is today called southern and norhern diualects of kurdish are actullay two different languages with southern kurdish being closer to persain than to norther kurdish