Slavic Warriors

There is another interesting thing about warriors in those times in general: they didn't know uniforms, but their weaponry and armour represented their origin... That is sometimes a problem though. If a warrior saw an element of equiptment belonging to the other side, or perhaps a custom of his liking, he wanted it incorporated into his own equiptment... It's a rare phenomenon (correct me if I'm wrong), but it is now a matter of despute to whom this warrior belonged! I read about the case of a helmet found in a grave of what should be a hun or a Slav...

BTW, can anyone explain to me what those stars below our names mean and how you get them?

(Source: "Etimologic dictionary of common and Oldslavonic words of Slavic languages", in Slovenian: "Etimolo�ki slovar skupnih in Staroslovanskih besed Slovanskih jezikov")

Note: The names also appear in Kavkasian and Sarmatian languages. They were probably used by Turks from there.

And also it's still not completely sure if Ibn Fadlan's Sakaliba are Slavs or not.

 

Knjaz, although I strongly support what you say about the method of the crytical reading and analysis (I hope you truly do so), if you are to challenge such strongly-established "laws", you should do quite much better than this. First, I would advice you to be very careful with your language, manners and behaviour - I think I saw you used a few swear words, which is completely unacceptable and doesn't speak highly of you. Also, it would be good if you improve your English, since, let's admit it, when someone sees a text written in poor language and/or grammar, the common man automatically gives "black points" to the author of the written text. Third, most important - I see you've cited quite a lot of primary sources, which is great. However, I don't really think you've proven well enough the connection between the Veneti from the Ancient sources and the later Slavs. And, I repeat, if you are to challenge such a well established law, you should be really careful and nearly brilliant in defending your thesis. Because, as we know from many different examples, there were many cases when the name of one old nation was transferred to another by its neighbouring foreigners (and since we don't have much early Slavic written documents, we should rely almost entirely exactly on foreign accounts), f.e. the Bulgars have often been called Scythians or Moesians by the Byzantines, the Magyars - Turks etc. There are also cases when one nation used claims over older nations - f.e. during the times of Tsar Simeon the Great the name of Achiles` "Myrmidons" in the Illyad was replaced by "Bulgarians", something which later Tsar Kaloyan is supposed to have used as a counter-example of the claim of the Latin ("Frankish") knight Rennee de Tries (sorry, I'm not sure of the English spelling) that the Latin Empire is descendant of the ancient Trojans and they have returned to their father's land. So, what could be Veneti in the times of the Antiquity could easily be or not be Veneti in the Late Antiquity, Dark Ages and Early Middle Ages. I would be quite interested if you could post some more detailed arguments in favour of one or other thesis on this matter.

2. answer: What laws? Maby I haven't been clear enough, but all we can do about history is speculate!

3. answer: I think I elaborated on that matter: The Venetians were not "earlyer" or the Slavs "later"! Venetians, Venedians, etc. is just a name given to Slavs by foreighn nations f.e. Cezar, the Germanians, the Celts, though there was already then a difference between Slavs, Antians and Venetians, but they were (are) all Slavic nations. Simmilar example are the Greeks, where you have Spartians, Athenians, etc.

4. answer: Of course nations claim their names from older settlers, because the older nations didn't just disapear into thin air! They mixed with the newcommers and formed new nations and through such mixing we got contemporary nations, if not otherwise it is prooven linguisticaly!

 

Sorry, I lack time now and still I am very bussy for the next few months, so I won't be able to elaborate on precise answers as you and Aelfgifu requested.

 

Regards to all!