Constantinople 1453- The Movie

Originally posted by Anton Athanasios, Ottoman domination had not anly bad sides as you were tought in school(1). Surely there is nothing good in blood taxes, musulmanization, burning of churches, kidnapping and  raping and so on but mention that all that crap was in Balkans and everywhere else before Ottomans(2). Also keep in mind that real revolts against Ottomans started when the state wasn't able to offer efficient beurocracy in our territories(18th-19 centuries) (3). And third, during Ottomans Bulgarian church was given under rule fo Greek church. And Greeks behaved not exactly  as "brothers in misfortune" should behave, so that some people speak about "Turkish-Greek slavery" (4)

I said , i searched in netural sources.Not Greek , Not Serb. Netural. Probably those cruel actions continued in the Balkan Peninsula 150 years after the Greek revolution because someone thought  he was the Prussia of Balkans    and he ate dust in the end.

Originally posted by Athanasios I said , i searched in netural sources.Not Greek , Not Serb. Netural. Probably those cruel actions continued in the Balkan Peninsula 150 years after the Greek revolution because someone thought  he was the Prussia of Balkans    and he ate dust in the end.

Originally posted by Athanasios I don't see any statements anton... You have a great faculty to tangle the topics.You are not going to refer anything about Basil II . Are you?

Don't confuse yourself with others please, most Balkan members get on pretty well here.

Originally posted by Athanasios I don't think that i had the intention to offend anyone...

Yea the Byzantine empire holds as one of my most favorite nations, It lasted for many years holding the knowledge and culture of ancient Rome. But when 1453 came around, the Byzantine empire became a "sick man" and it was doomed to be looted till destrcution. When Mehmed II came around in a way he did them a favor, he gave the Byzantines a last glorious fight for the Empire. That and he let them go out with a bang and that it was better for Byzantium to burn out then fade away.

Originally posted by Athanasios I said , i searched in netural sources.Not Greek , Not Serb. Netural. Probably those cruel actions continued in the Balkan Peninsula 150 years after the Greek revolution because someone thought  he was the Prussia of Balkans    and he ate dust in the end.   "...As rebels and like Stefan Bogoridi -- in persuading Mahmud II to sign the independence of Greece."   Have you ever noticed the influence that Greeks had in Sultan's courtyard? Have you ever heard about "filiki etairia"? Have you ever noticed the pressure wich was made by the three powers (Russia,England and France) in "persuade" the sultan to sign the indipendence of Greece?He was with his back on the wall anyway... There was even an english plan of creating an "Helleno-Turckic" empire in the position of the Ottoman Empire, because they were feared a Russian occupation of Constantinopole.   Yes , there were a few Christians from other Balkan nations who helped in our revolution war against the Ottoman Empire but there were more westerners "phelellenes" who also served our war for independence,charmed from the beauty of ancient Hellenic culture.   Now about the churches...Search more netural sources and don't spread 100y.o. cheap propaganda.   I also have to mention that "Eptanissa" (Corfu, Zante etc.) were not under Ottoman domination but under Latin. The cultural difference between those islands (in this period) and the main Greece was vast! So i think it would be definatelly better if the balkan Peninsula was under Latin occupation, even Constantinopole.   Anton, I don't realy understand your point about the economics... if they had money, where they were supossed to spend them ?They didn't care about the money because  the Ottoman empire was agricultural by this time, not industrial capitalistic as the whole Europe.Fanariotes were wealthy Greeks and yes, they ruled someway... Of course French revolution started mainly of the need for better conditions of life. But I also mentioned that Greek revolution was national. If you have money you can rule . If you are a nation you should have an indepented state to live.

Read Caroline Finkel's book "Osman's Dream."

How many peope are gonna want to watch that?

Yes, what an adventure! Just how would we today portray the Venicians, or the Pisans, or the Gemoans, or the Franks?, or the?, take your pick of a number of possible entrants!

Almost all of the participants would have to be characterized as "evil!"

How would that fill movie theatres?

Just whom / who would be the "good guys?"

Problem is, there were "no good guys" then! The churches (all of them) were basically evil, and all of the nations or peoples and their leaders were basically "evil!"

Hey, here is a movie title "Great Evil versus Great Evil!!!" So, why not just shorten it to "GE v. GE!", which just might get people today to see the evil that exists within the company that uses the initials "G.E." today, that is "General Electric!"

Regards,