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The Turkish spoken by Turkish Cypriots may be one of the best preservations of middle-age Oghuz Turkish. 

There are many archaic words and also terms which are shared with the Turkish spoken in Turkmenistan, Azerbaycan, Iran etc 


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So the Turkish Cypriots first arrived during the Middle Ages? I thought it was more recent
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So the Turkish Cypriots first arrived during the Middle Ages? I thought it was more recent

From the late 1500's but their Turkish is a continuation of the Oghuz Turkish spoke by Turkmen tribes who had were nomadic/semi-nomadic so in remote villages we can see some of the best preservations of Turkish from that era.
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After the Ottoman empire expanded to Greece and the Greek isles, the Turks began to settle on all regions, beginning with Cyprus, Crete and other major islands.
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  Quote Ollios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Mar-2013 at 05:02
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From the late 1500's but their Turkish is a continuation of the Oghuz Turkish spoke by Turkmen tribes who had were nomadic/semi-nomadic so in remote villages we can see some of the best preservations of Turkish from that era.


Today, when we mention about Turkish, it is actually Istanbul dialect. As you said before, Turkish Cypriots didn't affect it. Their origin is probably nomadic people in Middle Tauros.

Differences between standard Turkish and Cypriot Turkish
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_51333

Cypriot Turkish Language
http://www.cypnet.co.uk/ncyprus/people/cypturks/language.html

there is list in here cypriot turkish words and turkish words. My grandma is also using some words as "avlu"(garden) instead of turkish "bahçe" or "darı"(corn) instead of turkish "mısır" so there are also more close Turkish dialects to Cypriot Turkish then Istanbul dialect
 
and also I find it very interesting

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Before 1974, there was no Turkish Cypriot nation, only a Turkish minority in the Republic of Cyprus. Anyway, the Cyprus debate is NOT for this part of the forum.
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Cypriot Turkish very very close to us but still not the same !btw uk english is not same with australia english but its still good we turkmens here have Tremendous difference here ! :o and we have some differences with istanbul turkish 2 see this

       bin=men olur=bolor  ikmek=chorog kadin/bayan=heleyi .......
      
      we dont have "s" and "z" directly so we use "th" for that :D "s" like (s)thunder "z" like (z)that !
      see this ! sen=then :O biz= bith :O our "R" Pronunciation is like italian ones
    
     now turkmen vs turkmen ! iranian turkmens turn every kh to H (we dont have KH) turkmenistan           turkmen turn every h to kh ( they dont have H :O) see this

      turkmen=turkhmen ! bahar = bakhar  hazar = khazar  ahmet= akhmet mehmet = mokhmet ! :O
      i think every turkmen tribes has it's own languages
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  Quote Ollios Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Mar-2013 at 10:57
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Before 1974, there was no Turkish Cypriot nation, only a Turkish minority in the Republic of Cyprus. Anyway, the Cyprus debate is NOT for this part of the forum.


There is no need an independent state to be called as a nation.

A nation may refer to a community of people who share a common language, culture, ethnicity, descent, or history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nation

Turkish Cypriots are not some kind of minority as Maronites, Latin Catholics and Armenians in Cyprus. They are "constituent people" with Cypriot Greeks. If you were happy, I can use nation for Cypriot but Greek-Turkish communities and minority for Armenians and Maronites


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There was one state, not 2. 
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  Quote Bulldog Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Mar-2013 at 14:22
Originally posted by Ollios

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Turkish Cypriots are not some kind of minority as Maronites, Latin Catholics and Armenians in Cyprus. They are "constituent people" with Cypriot Greeks. If you were happy, I can use nation for Cypriot but Greek-Turkish communities and minority for Armenians and Maronites
 

I'm confused? Cyprus is the name of the island not a nation in it's traditional sense. 

The two main nations are the Turks and Greeks. 

Anyway back to the topic. 

Turks of Cyprus say for example, Hacanda, a word used in Turkmenistan, Azerbaycan, in parts of Anatolia but not in formal Istanbul Turkish, there are many other such examples. 
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  Quote Qaradag Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 18-Mar-2013 at 17:40
Originally posted by Ollios

Differences between standard Turkish and Cypriot Turkish
http://www.turkishclass.com/forumTitle_51333


Very interesting, those examples are same as Azerbaijani Turkish.



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Originally posted by Ollios

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Turkish Cypriots are not some kind of minority as Maronites, Latin Catholics and Armenians in Cyprus. They are "constituent people" with Cypriot Greeks. If you were happy, I can use nation for Cypriot but Greek-Turkish communities and minority for Armenians and Maronites
 

I'm confused? Cyprus is the name of the island not a nation in it's traditional sense. 

The two main nations are the Turks and Greeks. 

Until 1974, it was one state, one country where a Greek majority and a Turkish minority co-existed.
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Until 1974, it was one state, one country where a Greek majority and a Turkish minority co-existed.

Describing 1960-74 as co-existence is far from the truth.
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Originally posted by Bulldog

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Until 1974, it was one state, one country where a Greek majority and a Turkish minority co-existed.

Describing 1960-74 as co-existence is far from the truth.


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Even before 1960, Turks and Greeks coexisted in Cyprus for centuries... 
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Even before 1960, Turks and Greeks coexisted in Cyprus for centuries... 

Pre-British era there were actually quite a few mixed villages, post-British era this gradually reduced, violence started as Turks and Greeks wrestled for more power. The Greek majority naturally felt they should be in charge but Turkey wasn't going to allow another Crete or Rhodes and Greece also saw an opportunity. In short Cyprus was like an outpost for Greece and Turkey with the British intentionally/unintentionally stirring the pot.
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So the Turkish Cypriots first arrived during the Middle Ages? I thought it was more recent

From the late 1500's but their Turkish is a continuation of the Oghuz Turkish spoke by Turkmen tribes who had were nomadic/semi-nomadic so in remote villages we can see some of the best preservations of Turkish from that era.

I see. So these "Turks" were descendents of Muslim immigrants rather than Greek islanders who had converted to Islam?
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So the Turkish Cypriots first arrived during the Middle Ages? I thought it was more recent

From the late 1500's but their Turkish is a continuation of the Oghuz Turkish spoke by Turkmen tribes who had were nomadic/semi-nomadic so in remote villages we can see some of the best preservations of Turkish from that era.

I see. So these "Turks" were descendents of Muslim immigrants rather than Greek islanders who had converted to Islam?

The Ottomans had a policy of sending their more 'unruly' Oghuz (Turkmen) tribes to frontier territories after expansion. 

Tribes from the Karaman and Konya regions, later also from Kayseri were sent to Cyprus.

The Turkish spoken shares more archaic Turkish sounds, words and is an interesting study for linguists.
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