Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri In the recent years, unfortunately what you said is one of reasons but the fact is that Nazis were always respected by Iranians mainly because Iranian/Aryan nationalism, you can read about this thing here: http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/nazi-germany-and-persia-iran/blog-258353/

Originally posted by Auggie I believe it will all end very badly; winner take all.

idk who you are but it seem we understand each other well

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Originally posted by Auggie   Some days ago Israel's president Shimon Peres said some interesting things about a possible relation between Iran and Israel: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/10125968/Shimon-Peres-Israel-and-Iran-could-negotiate.html   One of the interesting things that he said was that he called the greatest Iranian king, Cyrus the Great, as the first Zionist in the world, of course I think he just refers to tolerance and religious freedom in the Iranian culture, as you probably know, Iran has already the largest Jewish population in the Middle East after Israel, in fact Iranians and Jews have lived in this region peacefully for thousands of years, the only danger is religious bigotry, unfortunately in the last decades, the worst possible thing has happened in Iran and a religious government has come to power, this is the only reason that we see this relation between Iran and Israel.   Anyway I just hope Islamism dies, nothing else!

I'm not at all sure that Islamism can die without Zionism dying right alongside it; or, at bare minimum,  the more zealous supporters of the latter putting a muzzle on it.

Edited by Auggie - 25-Jun-2013 at 14:04

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri Originally posted by Auggie     Death of Zionism won't change anything, this liberation movement has achieved its goal by forming a strong Jewish state named Israel.

It sure has achieved its original goal of founding a Jewish state, no argument there. But today's Zionism is more political  than religious in nature; it's taken on a whole new meaning and has become, essentially, a form of militant Judaism. Moreover, its supporters  (along with the ultra-orthodox) are some of the most enthusiastic of those behind the colonization program in Palestine, the seemingly endless building of Jewish settlements in territory which they have absolutely no right to. 

Originally posted by Auggie I believe it will all end very badly; winner take all.

Originally posted by Cyrus Shahmiri It is better to talk about these things in a proper topic, however I have talked about them in hundreds topics, Arabs have to forget some lands that they have lost after a long occupation, some decades ago Saddam with support of almost all Arab countries wanted to recapture Khuzestan of Iran, some million Iranians and Iraqi were killed but he couldn't do it, of course we never forget Israeli help, especially in Operation Opera that we worked together against Saddam: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera The name of Palestine has nothing to do with Arabs, this ancient name can never help them, if Arabs want to continue their fight against Israel, this name, like Babylon and Sumer, wil be found just in the historical books in the near future.

Originally posted by Ollios About Iran-Iraq War, sorry for my short knowledge. I was just born in that time (summer of 1988) but I am curious.

even b4 iran - iraq war shah's support of iraqi kurds make saddam angry when saddam give what the shah wants reza pahlavai stop supporting the iraqi kurds he leave them with saddam alone but after revolution khomeini wanted to export it's revolution and u know jerusalem road cross from karbala both side send their agent to sabotage each others country until iraq start the damn war saddam torn a part the paper he sign with shah and he demand khomeni to not recognize the pact he made with shah

Originally posted by Ollios What about Arabs in Iran? They are Shia but have they ever organised for military attack or been included rebel movement as Kurds did (PJAK)

 if u want know story about ethnics rebellion  we will need make new topic but here's little info about whats happen on that days  we was in civil war with all means but when iraq attacks iranian civil wars ended and saddam become main target for all peoples 



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_Khuzestan_uprising
arabs start rebellion   and even they took iranian embassy in london

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1979_Kurdish_rebellion_in_Iran

when shah gone and  Revolution wins  almost all the ethnic declares war with persians u know "half of Iran" was in rebellion turkmens kurds arabs balouchs was 4 major ethnics and their wars are famous  in iran the first people who start the war was kurd people very soon after war started in kurdestian it starts in  turkmensahar too and than it's taks all the north with mazeruni people and Gelik people ( gelik and mazeruni communist separatist rebellion in giland and mazandaran are not famous ) azeri turks play key role in crashing ethnics rebellion they forge turk-persian shia alliance . after turks allied with persians gelik abandoned they rights and no fight take in there place mazerunis communist separatist start little fight against persians but when azeris come to persians side they choose the winner side and agreed to enter war against turkmens for show their loyalty can you imagen it ?? former separatist now fighting against turkmens who even didn't want fedural goverment but just thier right full farms (which pahlavi take it  ) and right of mother language keeping traditional dance cloth music wine culture in among the turkmen we dont have  same   hijab which persians have
which all gone now

turkmens hold greatest ethnic army ( about 9000 b4 second war) we was   last man standing after they defeat kurds arab balouchs   and only ethnic who able to defeat turkopersian shia army .  in first war we win and they accept our terms of pace they said they will give our right but they broke it when they finish thier job with other ethnics they start  second war they win while their chieftain tanks open fire on our city leave the city with flame . later president banisadr call tanks action "just showing 10% of power "

Originally posted by Ollios 2-What was Turkish position in Iraq-Iran War? (according to Iranian sources)

in iran media they dont  say anything about turkey but they their media is full about how all arab world united against iran and still they win the war ( they accept the pace before they lose the war ) the real story is this war is taboo cuz it's full of thier mistakes and we must accpet what they saying not what the fact was !!!!!!!!!!!!!! iran take back all their lands in 3th years of war and saddam wanted to make pace but they refuse and keep fight for next 5 years and they accept the pace b4 they lose the war 


Edited by yomud - 27-Jun-2013 at 19:29

Shamsir: Please explain why history should treat the Nazis with anything than outrage, based on the atrocities carried out during WW2?