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    Posted: 02-Jun-2010 at 19:23
Originally posted by opuslola

http://forum.alexanderpalace.org/index.php?topic=2043.0

Emil!

Did you look at the tenth post? From Lisa?

"Alexis in the uniform of theLife-Guards Atamanskiy Regiment"



Yes? Cossacks and Russian army copied the hat they used/use during their war against local tribes in Caucasus, wich inspired them. You can never see such hat and dress among Russians before 18th century. If you wonder how real Cossack outfit looked like, look at Ukrainian Cossacks.






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  Quote opuslola Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 02-Jun-2010 at 19:36
Is this what you spoke of?

http://www.pilipili-miniatures.com/pages_NT/NT-02_pages/NT02.html

I don't think so!

I would suggest that the term "Attaman" or "Hetman", might well be more correct?

see;Attaman!

"Attaman, the title of the supreme chief of the Cossacks, now retained only by those of the Don. The attaman was elected by the people in a general public meeting; the mode of election was by throwing their fur caps at the favorite, and he who had the largest heap of caps was chosen. When in the 16th century the Cossacks submitted to the Poles, the election of the attaman was confirmed by the Polish king. After the secession of the Cossacks from Poland and their submission to Russia in the 17th century, the attamans preserved the same rights until after the insurrection of Mazeppa, when the office was suppressed. In 1750 it was restored in the person of Count Razumovsky. When Catharine II. destroyed the organization of the Cossacks of the Ukraine, the dignity of attaman was confined to those of the Don. The last elective attaman of these Cossacks was Platoff, after whose death the emperor Nicholas made the dignity of attaman hereditary in the cesare-vitch. The commanders of various other Cossack organizations in Russia bear the title of attaman, but only by custom and courtesy.

From the word attaman was derived the word hetman, in ancient Poland the title of the commander of all the military forces of the nation."

So, let's see "Hetman?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hetman

Here we find these strange words;

"One theory is the word is probably derived from the Old High German Hauptmann,[1] with Haupt meaning "main" or "head" and Mann meaning "man". Hauptmann was a common military title during medieval times meaning "captain" but corresponds more to today's "general". The German "Hauptmann" deriving from the Polish "Hetman/Hatman" is less likely. The more accepted theory is it derives from the steppic/Turkic term "otaman". Due to centuries of contact, Polish and Prussian states were influenced by each other's military traditions (see Rittmeister/rotmistrz) and administrations (Rathaus/ratusz, Bürgermeister/burmistrz), or the fact that almost 70% of Prussian generals and commanders were foreign, and the majority of these Polish, though many changed their names to more German sounding names[citation needed]. The entire Prussian cavalry, as well as most of Europe's, was based on Polish, Serbian and Hungarian traditions, and most cavalry were from these countries[citation needed]. However, an intermediation might have been provided in Czech[2]"

Especially these words from the above!

"The more accepted theory is it derives from the steppic/Turkic term "otaman"."

Is it me, or do I see the word "Otaman" in the above? This is but a short stutter to Ottoman!

What do you all think?





Edited by opuslola - 02-Jun-2010 at 20:00
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  Quote Molokane Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Jun-2010 at 08:41
Originally posted by Emil_Diniyev

Originally posted by Shield-of-Dardania

Originally posted by Molokane

Why do Azeri Turks look semitic? Are a lot of Caucasians of the Caucasus region home to semitic minorities having significantly contributed to reflect Azeri culture? I never understood why A LOT of Turks look semitic. Just look at Ahmadinejad.
Geeeee. I didn't know that Mahmud was a Turk all this while.Approve
 
I suppose if one uses the word 'Semitic', then by inference it means that one also subscribes, whether fully or partly, to the 'Shem, Ham and Japhet' theory of human ancestry.
 
In other words, if you believe in a 'Semitic' race', then it means you also believe in a 'Hamitic' race and a 'Japhetic' race. Consequently, since Shem, Ham and Japhet came from the same father, some of their offspring would have inherited some physical similarities between them.
 
Especially those who have lived for a long time, like thousands of years, in adjacent regions. E.g. the Iranian regions, the Meditterranean regions, the Arabian lands, Western Central Asia, the Anatolia-Levant regions and the Western Himalayas.


He isn't, hes from Semnan. Pure Persian.

This guy is another Persian with inferiority complex. :).




Wrong. Just flat out wrong. First of all, he's from Talysh. He is a semitic Turk. He even looks semitic. Pure Persians look white, just like you Emil.
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Being Persian is an ethnicity. Iranian is a nationality. 
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Originally posted by opuslola

Is this what you spoke of?

http://www.pilipili-miniatures.com/pages_NT/NT-02_pages/NT02.html

I don't think so!

I would suggest that the term "Attaman" or "Hetman", might well be more correct?

see;Attaman!

"Attaman, the title of the supreme chief of the Cossacks, now retained only by those of the Don. The attaman was elected by the people in a general public meeting; the mode of election was by throwing their fur caps at the favorite, and he who had the largest heap of caps was chosen. When in the 16th century the Cossacks submitted to the Poles, the election of the attaman was confirmed by the Polish king. After the secession of the Cossacks from Poland and their submission to Russia in the 17th century, the attamans preserved the same rights until after the insurrection of Mazeppa, when the office was suppressed. In 1750 it was restored in the person of Count Razumovsky. When Catharine II. destroyed the organization of the Cossacks of the Ukraine, the dignity of attaman was confined to those of the Don. The last elective attaman of these Cossacks was Platoff, after whose death the emperor Nicholas made the dignity of attaman hereditary in the cesare-vitch. The commanders of various other Cossack organizations in Russia bear the title of attaman, but only by custom and courtesy.

From the word attaman was derived the word hetman, in ancient Poland the title of the commander of all the military forces of the nation."

So, let's see "Hetman?"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hetman

Here we find these strange words;

"One theory is the word is probably derived from the Old High German Hauptmann,[1] with Haupt meaning "main" or "head" and Mann meaning "man". Hauptmann was a common military title during medieval times meaning "captain" but corresponds more to today's "general". The German "Hauptmann" deriving from the Polish "Hetman/Hatman" is less likely. The more accepted theory is it derives from the steppic/Turkic term "otaman". Due to centuries of contact, Polish and Prussian states were influenced by each other's military traditions (see Rittmeister/rotmistrz) and administrations (Rathaus/ratusz, Bürgermeister/burmistrz), or the fact that almost 70% of Prussian generals and commanders were foreign, and the majority of these Polish, though many changed their names to more German sounding names[citation needed]. The entire Prussian cavalry, as well as most of Europe's, was based on Polish, Serbian and Hungarian traditions, and most cavalry were from these countries[citation needed]. However, an intermediation might have been provided in Czech[2]"

Especially these words from the above!

"The more accepted theory is it derives from the steppic/Turkic term "otaman"."

Is it me, or do I see the word "Otaman" in the above? This is but a short stutter to Ottoman!

What do you all think?





Opusluola, I really cannot understand you.

What they wear is called Papakh. Originally worn in Caucasus, among Georgians, Azerbaijanis and North Caucasians.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papakhi
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