Early history must be untrue,if prophets are real

I think that the axis of the history is around the existence of prophets. If something happens, it occurs as a result of a situation of a prophet.

Edited by Murat - 10-Jan-2009 at 21:30

I'd wager my answer is no. But I don't really understand what your asking.

The history is a line on which humanity appears.It is not only about the past, just the roots are in there but the branches and the fruits are possible to be found around us, may be in the future events. I meant that only a human being has the ability to record events, only a human has the options to choose justness or unjustness. The imagination ability of a certain nation mostly generates some legends for their ancients and they also produce some(times) imaginative, exagerated enemies against their roots.The highest effect of the history on communities is when it is narrative.Of course the other sources of the history have some influences on people, such as the written documetations , architecture, some anthropological evidences or estimations ;).But these are all rather than absolute reality,they are just some distanced mirrors of the past.What I am trying to say (and es_bih and Hashim trying to understand)is that life is like a spiral not circle.Same days- same nights,same lands- same people,same hunger- same struggles etc. just the time (you zip as history) is not same. 

We have been offered to press two buttons that`s why i said humanity is around the axis of the prophets just like a spiral.

Edited by Murat - 14-Jan-2009 at 05:13

I believe that these prophets you speak of were nothing more than sly people who knew how to analyze the past and guess the future.

ESPECIALLY the really vague ones. Like ones that say the end will end in fire (Making generalizations here). They would obviously basing their idea off of the most powerful thing at that time; fire.

The fact that people think these people are special or holy, just shows to me a lack of common sense.


Edited by Otto Von Bismarck - 23-Jan-2009 at 04:30

There is something to be said for self-fulfilling prophecies.Sometimes a prophet may be someone who correctly predicts something that is likely to happen, and then makes it happen by convincing everyone that it will happen. Such is the case with the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) when he correctly identified and harnessed the military power of the Bedouin for overseas conquest.

look to the germanic conquest. it has nothing to do with a mass of population. You need strong and if possible hopeless people and a fed up opponent, which has desintegrated a lot of its population. The Byzantine Empire was rotted inside, a lot of the oriental population belonged to heratic christianity and was persecuted. There were high taxes and more things that made the people ready for an conquest. Muslims accepted all Jews and christians as book owners, that was more than the Byzantine church did. I don't know how much taxes the christians paid after the muslim conquest, in the West the population often was feeling better under Germanic reign than under Roman

Edited by beorna - 12-Jan-2010 at 15:10

Just what made Mohammedianism so attractive to war age men? Was it the promise of so many "nubile virgins?"

This has to be the most attractive point?

Or do any of you disagree?
Regards,

Bear, but the "Word" of Muhammad (PBHN) promised all men their own heaven and breeding ground with numerous virgins, if they fought for or died for the "Word!" Christians believed that mostly "The Lord" or "Lords" in general deserved a maiden! Hebrews, it seems, mostly had their "maidens" married soon after the first signs of adulthood was observed! Thus these "virgins" were "kept apart" and considered as "un-clean!"

Oh, but all of the other religions also considered a woman having her period as "unclean!" But, it seems that as soon as a daughter showed that she was ready to "conceive", they were put precisely into that very position! Please pardon the pun!

There just might well exist some connection?

As a matter of fact, why don't we just consider the Old biblical stories whereby, a woman, considered as beyond the correct age to become a mother, does indeed become on? Maybe that is the very reason that a "savior" or "redeemer", etc., had to have been born of a "Virgin?" I.e., a method to separate the "New" "Prophets" from the "Old" prophets?

Regards,

Edited by opuslola - 17-Jan-2010 at 20:49