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History of the Romanians and Vlachs (271-1310)
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    Posted: 27-Feb-2012 at 14:42
Originally posted by Artimaster

 I know but I was unable to buy it (not found on line)


Maybe you can find it in a (university) library somewhere around you or something? I found one used copy of it on Amazon. Sadly it is expensive but here is still a link to it: http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0312009372/ref=dp_olp_used?ie=UTF8&qid=1330371497&sr=1-2&condition=used
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People were identifying themselves and other by their language. Vlachs were and are not "Greeks" but people speaking a Romance language. The fact that the term Vlach has gained other senses too doesn't dismiss this fact. In Wallachia too, "rumân" was meaning Romanian but also peasant, serf, or poor man.

The history of Vlachs, like the one of Albanians, is pretty unknown, maybe because they were reduced in number and haven't made a great impact in history before 10th century or perhaps because the Greeks of Byzantine Empire have begun to differentiate the Latin speaking population of Balkans only after the rediscover of their Hellenic cultural roots during Macedonian Renaissance in 10th century. Untill then, they considered themselves Romans and have seen the Vlachs no different than themselves.





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POPE CLEMENT VI (1342-1352).

"Olachi Romani,commorantes in partibus Ungariae,Transilvanis,Ultralpinis 
et Sirmus"
(In Hungary,Transilvania,Muntenia and Sirmia live the Roman-Vlachs)
or
"Tam nobilibus quam popularibus Olachis Romanis"
SUMMARY: Romanians = Romans (Vlachs).

Note: Ungariae = Panonia, Hungary
Transilvanis = Transylvania
Ultralpinis = Muntenia = Wallachs north of Danube
Sirmus = The region in Yougoslavia around the River Sava


Kekaumenos (Byzantine writer) – XI Cent. AD

They (Vlachs) lived first near Danube and Sava Rivers, where the Serbs are living now, in places hardened by nature (mountains) and inaccessible.
….The Romans (Byzantines) crushed them (Vlachs). And these (Vlachs) running away from these places 
spread all over “Epirul” ( Dyrrrhachium = Albania), Nicopolis ) and all Macedonia, and most of them settled in “Elada” 

Note: It looks to me that these credible sources are talking about the Vlachs as being the same people all over the Balkans.

Check this one too:

POPE PIUS II (1458-1464) (Commentarium rerum memorabilium)

"VALACHI lingua utuntur Italica, verum imperfecta, et admodum corrupta; 
sunt qui legiones Romanas eo missas olim censeant adversus Dacos, qui eas 
terras incolebant; legionibus Flaccum quendam praefuisse, a que Flacci 
primum,deinde Valachi, mutatis litteris, sint appellati;quorum posteri 
(ut ante relatum est) "

SUMMARY:
(The Vlachs are a people of Roman origin,born from an antic Roman 
Imperial colony,speaking a language close to Latin or Italian)


POPE Innocent III (in a latter from 1203).

"Therefore, we, who have been appointed by the will of GOD and Father,
unworthy as we are, as vicars and successors of the Apostolic See, to 
prove by the force of facts our fatherly love for the Church of the 
Bulgarians and ROMANIANS (VLACHS),who are said to be THE DESCENDENTS OF 
THE ROMANS,by their flesh and blood"

Note: Talking about the Vlachs of Bulgaria


Francesco della Valle,1532,(Secretary of Aloisio Gritti,a natural son to 
Doge Andrea Gritti).

"The Romanians(Vlachs) are of Italian stock, and according to them, they 
are the descendants of the OLD ROMANS".

IOAN KINNAMOS(Imperial secretary under two Byzantine emperors, Manuel I & 
Andronic)

"It is said about the Vlachs that they are the old descendents of those 
from Italy".


Russian Primary Chronicle (Laurentian Text), XI Cent.

"For when the Vlaks attacked the Danubian Slavs, settled among them, and did 
them violence, the latter came and made their homes by the Vistula, and were then called Lyakhs. Of these Lyakhs some were called Polyanians,some Lutichians,some Mazovians, and still others were called Derevlians... Radimichians and the Viatichians sprang from the Lyakhs". 

Note: It looks like the Vlachs took over all the Slavic tribes in the beginning

Byzantine Emperor, Constantine Flavius P., is describing also the situation 
around Danube where the 'Romani' (Vlachs) took Slavic prisoners bringing them south of 
Danube: 
"The territory possessed by these Romani (Vlachs) used to extend as far as 
the river Danube, and once on a time, being minded to cross the river and discover who dwelt beyond the river, they crossed it and came upon unarmed Slavonic nations, who were also called Avars...., And so, finding these Avars unarmed and unprepared for war , the Romani (Vlachs) overcame them and took booty and prisoners and returned (south of Danube)". 

Note: We know that the Greeks and all the Slavs south of Danube wants to see the Vlachs as different nationalities, Greek Romanised and Slavs Romanised.
But as I've said there are plenty of reliable sources to contradict you.
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Posts: 4 		  Quote Enescu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Dec-2012 at 20:36
It looks like Virginia Wolf has a diferrent view then your
You Generalize
The Vlachs were involved in banks, manufacturer
The Greeks of her time were a band of stay and do nothing
As discribed by herself
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Really?
But according to Virginia Wolf (not sure abut her spelling), you Greeks and Albanians were the worst people she had seen. All smoking and drinking every day
She described Valacians totally different, as industrios and very inteliget
Gog be with you
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Here from Romania
 

Russian Primary Chronicle (Laurentian Text), XI Cent.

"For when the Vlaks attacked the Danubian Slavs, settled among them, and did 
them violence, the latter came and made their homes by the Vistula, and were then called Lyakhs. Of these Lyakhs some were called Polyanians,some Lutichians,some Mazovians, and still others were called Derevlians... Radimichians and the Viatichians sprang from the Lyakhs". 

Note: But the Hungarians came and expelled the Vlakhs

‘ The Magyars subsequently expelled the Vlakhs, [Panonia and part of Transylvania X Cent] took their land and settled among the slavs, whom they reduce to slavery' 

 Byzantine Emperor, Constantine Flavius P., is describing also the situation 
around Danube where 
the 'Romani' (Vlachs) took Slavic prisoners (slaves) bringing them south of 
Danube: 

"The territory possessed by these Romani (Vlachs) used to extend as far as 
the river Danube, and once on a time, being minded to cross the river and discover who dwelt beyond the river, they crossed it and came upon unarmed Slavonic nations, who were also called Avars...., And so, finding these Avars unarmed and unprepared for war , the Romani (Vlachs) overcame them and took booty and prisoners and returned (south of Danube)". 
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