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Alparslan1071
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Topic: Urartus are armenians? Posted: 16-Jun-2006 at 01:16 |
I was reading of the history of Van and after Tushba suddenly Urartus are disapeared from the history page.
Where are they?are they Armenian now or Kurdish?
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Posted: 16-Jun-2006 at 04:21 |
Sharrukin can no doubt provide a concise answer to this.
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Posted: 16-Jun-2006 at 05:02 |
At first they were not. The IE-speaking Armenians inhabited the western portion of historical Armenia until the Persian period. Herodotus mentioned Armenia as divided into two tributary districts, the western one mainly inhabited by Armenians, while the eastern one was inhabited by Alarodians, Saspirians, and Matienians. The Alarodians continued to bare the name of the Urartians. The initial Armenianization of the peoples of eastern Armenia may have begun by about 400 BC, but a true Greater Armenia did not occur until about 90 BC with the reign of Tigran the Great. It was sometime between these two dates when the Alarodians were completely assimilated by the Armenians. The later classical geographers and historians no longer mention the Alarodians.
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Posted: 16-Jun-2006 at 11:42 |
Agree with the above except the fact that Greater Armenia was created
by the Artaxiad Dynasty around 190 BC. Before that it was at times an
Achaemenid tributary at other times it was a collection of un-unified,
princely states.
Edited by mamikon - 16-Jun-2006 at 11:43
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Alparslan1071
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Posted: 28-Jun-2006 at 13:52 |
what is the origin of the armenians?Caucasian?or Indo-European?
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Posted: 28-Jun-2006 at 17:31 |
Indo-European
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Leonidas
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Posted: 29-Jun-2006 at 08:50 |
i read that they may have been related to the phrygians, though no doubt sharukin would confirm or deny.
so there was groups of pre I/E people in their history then?
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Alparslan1071
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Posted: 29-Jun-2006 at 10:56 |
I haev a few colique and they are armenian.When they talk it s look like a language from onther world.very different and turkish armenians language is different than armenia homeland.they have also arabic and persian and tuekish words in their language.
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ArmenianSurvival
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Posted: 30-Jun-2006 at 03:36 |
Originally posted by Alparslan1071
I haev a few colique and they are armenian.When they talk it s look
like a language from onther world.very different and turkish armenians
language is different than armenia homeland.they have also arabic and
persian and tuekish words in their language. |
Those Arabic and Turkish words are used in slang by Armenians who
speak Turkish and Arabic. There are Armenian equivalents for every
word, and the proper Armenian language has no borrowed words. I'm not
saying there is no outside influence, but the words are not borrowed
outright, thats just slang.
The reason that many Armenians (in our parents' generation) can
speak fluent Turkish is because their parents were born in the Ottoman
Empire, and Turkish was used as a 2nd language in the house even after they were exiled to the middle east. And they
know Arabic because of the countries they grew up in. Thats why you hear some Armenians using Turkish and
Arabic words while they speak Armenian (Armenians in America for
example, mix English words while speaking Armenian, Armenians in
Armenia use Russian words, etc.). But all these words have their proper
Armenian equivalent.
For example, many Armenians use the word "zeitun' (olive), which
is a Turkish word. But there is an Armenian equivalent for that word
which no one uses (tsitabudough). Chojukh (child) is also used, but in
proper Armenian its Yerekha. You'll hear Lebanese Armenians use the
word yalla a lot, when in Armenian its haydeh. Chakhmakh (lighter) is
widely used, but in proper Armenian its Loutski or Gaydzkar. Those are
just some examples.
Edit: haydeh is Turkish, in Armenian I guess it would be ari. See how confusing it can be for us
Edited by ArmenianSurvival - 30-Jun-2006 at 12:56
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Posted: 30-Jun-2006 at 16:23 |
read that they may have been related to the phrygians |
Armenians were actually some colony tribe of Phrygians, who are either descendents of some Thracian people or Mushki. But original Hayasa, who are also mentioned by Hittites (as Hittites said Euphrates was the border between them, Subasa (Sebastia/ Sivas) was the easternmost Hittite city which was raided by Hayasa sometimes.) So Armenians are probably a mixture of non-IE Urartu, Hayasa and IE Phrygian colonists, and maybe with some Caucasian or Iranian (and definately Semitic/Assyrian) influence since the earlier ages.
Edited by Bashibozuk - 30-Jun-2006 at 16:24
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Alparslan1071
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Posted: 01-Jul-2006 at 12:15 |
Thats why armenians call their selves .Hye and their country is Hayastan
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