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    Posted: 09-Oct-2004 at 15:55

Starlin - i don't think i need to state much... that guy should have never being let out of Georgia

Although i wouldnt go so far as to call him the worst for Russia, but Yeltsin was an absolute idiot - - - but he can dance well

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  Quote Evildoer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Oct-2004 at 17:41

Originally posted by MikeP

Ok, Evildoer "3. A president should not rule by his own beliefs but in accordance to the will of his people..."   While this sounds good, i disagree.  As president, the people vote and elect him based upon his beliefs.  If the will of the people is not with the beliefs of the president, then they wouldn't vote for him.  And if Kerry doesn't even govern by his own beliefs then how can we possibly know what to expect from him?  The point of us electing a president is so that we vote for the person who's beliefs are the closest to ours.  Or at least that's the way i understand it. 

A Presidential candidates' beliefs usually consist of "what will get me the most vote and money" in almost all instances. Carter was a partial exception I would say. But the turth is, most politicans are without the least prinicipal - their usual "beliefs" are formed in order to appeal to a section of society so that they can get more votes! For example, Bush may not even believe in War Against Terror - he may just be doing it to be popular. Kerry, although a Catholic supports abortion because it is popular.

Americans are too idealistic about their presidents.  Adapt the French proverb "Is the President a Pope?"  

 



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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09-Oct-2004 at 22:16

Evildoer, ya, i agree with you in that most presidents just try to do stuff that will get them more popularity, but i don't think that's the way that it should be.  If someone says that they belief something, then they should actually act upon that belief.  And i don't see how Kerry can possibly say that he beliefs life begans at conception, but then also be pro abortion.  Sure it may be the more popular thing to do, but that doesn't make it right.  He's pretty much condoning murder by saying those two things.

Oh, and to go back to the topic of worst leaders, i would have to go with Bill Clinton, he

    a)committed adultery while in office

    b)lied about it while under oath in court

    c)completely vandalized the white house and Air Force 1 upon the ending of his term(removed all "w"s from keyboards, stole furniture, etc.)

    d)sold secrets to the Chinese that resulted in them being able to build nuclear missles with intercontinental targetting devices. (he shut down the organization that was responsible for checking our exports to make sure that they didn't compromise our nation's defense, and then a U.S. guy actually went over into China and showed them how to use the weaponry.  And coincidentally, the Chinese gave huge sums of money to Clinton's campaign fund.)

    e)he distorted the numbers to make it look like the economy was doing better than it really was(there are two reports, one hypothesis and then a later revised one.  The first one gets all the publicity, and some of his "estimates" were over 30% off from the real numbers.)

    f)on the day that his scandal was released, he had a building in the middle east bombed to distract people from his scandal.  It was later relized that this building was actually a factory producing asprin. (and people question Bush's motives for war.)

I think he is largely responsible for the widespread corruption of morals in U. S. society.

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  Quote Evildoer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Oct-2004 at 06:05

Bah I don't believe it. It all began before that - and who the devil looks to Presdidents for moral values? Its like expecting captialists of late 20th century to have good relationship with workers. Look to M.Chretien for moral values and you will end up beating up people for insulting you...

Every president does those things. Is adultry a crime?  Of all American presidents, my teacher said that only 2 were faithful to their wives.  

Nickson blew up his own warships in Tongkin to start Vietnam War.

Plus Lincoln had siphilis - not passed down. Meaning that he likely went to a prostitute, wether before or after marriage I have no idea.

Well, Bush also lied about WMD's. He said they existed in Iraq (as if he knew!) and then could not find any. Even Colin Powell said they didn't exist. So did CIA and Rumsfeld. A lie to begin a war and cause the deaths of ten thousands is definately worse than a lie about ones' sexual life.

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10-Oct-2004 at 22:51

hmm...well, i agree that we shouldn't look to our president's for moral values, but you have to admit that they are very influential, and something like adultery cetaintly does have negative effects on society.  And how can we possibly trust someone who lies.  And about Bush, i'm not going to say that there weren't any WMD's, even tho none have been discovered yet, because why would Hussein not let the weapon inspectors in if he didn't have anything to hide? but even if there weren't any, it wasn't a lie that started a war, there were other reasons to go and Bush wasn't the only one who thought that there were WMD's.  Plus, if it was Bush's lie that bagan the war, as you claim, why did KERRY vote in support of the war?

P.S. I don't know, but i really hope that more than 2 presidents were faithful to their wifes, that would be a very sad thing indeed if what you said was true, but there really is no way of knowing. 

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  Quote Abyssmal Fiend Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 11-Oct-2004 at 22:02

He said they existed in Iraq (as if he knew!)

He has the recepit.

Clinton isn't that bad... I mean, look at JFK. How many girls did he have? (Clinton Adultery wise, nothing else.)


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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Oct-2004 at 11:10

Speaking of the rurels - the worst (in my opinion) in Poland was Stanislaw August Poniatowski..He destroyed our country and by "flirting" with Russia he gave us so called - rozbiory

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  Quote dark_one Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 13-Oct-2004 at 22:08

3 rulers from 3 eras for Russia

Era of Czars: Nicholai II: went to war with a coalition much better prepared for war than Russia to protect criminals and revolutionaries in Serbia.

Era of Socialism: Gorbachev: Led to loss of Soviet influence around the world bringing about total collapse.

Era of the Republic: Yeltsin: Supported the Oligarchy and made Chechnya the hell it is today. Also there is a good chance he is the last leader of the Republic with Putin growing more authoritarian.

The worst? Nicholai because if it wasn't for him the other two wouldn't have been around to impose tehir idiocy upon Russia.

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  Quote boody4 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Oct-2004 at 10:59

Fila, a few months ago I would have agreed with your statement about Poniatowski, but if you studied his life and reign as I have done recently for a huge project I'm doing on him, you'd pick someone else.

He reformed a country that was already in decline because of the liberum veto and swedish and saxon kings who cared more about their native lands than Poland. He created the first Constitution of the World, abolished the veto(when it was too late), tried to centralize his powers when they REALLY needed to be centralized but it was too late in the end. He was brilliant and a genius, the only thing he lacked is military victories. I'd say my vote now for worst "ruler" of Poland would be for the King who let the liberum veto be introduced(i forgot who it was ), which eventually led to no progress in the government and then the vanishing of Poland from the map for nearly 2 centuries, and also all the rulers during the comunist era.

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  Quote Gubook Janggoon Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Oct-2004 at 15:45
President Bush for the U.S....
and King Kojong for Korea...he kinda screwd us over...
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nah the problem started with Sunjo.. Imjin and Byungja are both his fault
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   Mao Tse-Tung...'cause the guys ugly....he doesn't even look like a military man...
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The worst rulers in Poland were August II and August III Wettin. Poland had no government during their reignments. We have now great saying in Poland, which came from these Wettin's times - 'za krola sasa jedz, pij i popuszczaj pasa' - it means in english - 'let's eat, drink and let belt go when Saxons reign'. As a result over 30 years after August's death Poland was destroyed by a Austria, Prusy and Russia's intervention.
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  Quote TMPikachu Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 25-Oct-2004 at 16:36

Originally posted by babyblue

   Mao Tse-Tung...'cause the guys ugly....he doesn't even look like a military man...

 

That is one of many reasons.

Well, I consider China my land. I live in America, but my culture and identity is tied to the history of that place.

Anyone who ever could turn their back on that history and culture with a 'cultural revolution' is just... disgusting.

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 27-Oct-2004 at 00:46

Worst ruler of my country? Gotta be Kublai Khan. Because he caused so much division amongst Mongols.

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  Quote Degredado Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Nov-2004 at 12:14

Portugal had its fair share of schmucks in power, but there are two who I consider the worst.

The first is king Sebastian. This guy takes a large army into Morroco (where we, for the first time, outnumber an enemy) and actually manages to botch the whole thing. Not only does he lose his life, the sword of Afonso Henriques (an important heirloom), but he also manages to have Portugal lose its independence!

The second, surprisingly enough (for those of you who know Portuguese history), is king Manuel the first. Some might think that he's the king of the golden age, but the subsequent rot begins with him (boy, did Portugal have an incredible bad luck with this one!). The guy only spent, spent, spent. He did nothing to further his kingdom. king John the second should have survived to execute this guy! 

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Worst ruler in greek history are the OTTOman rulers..
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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Nov-2004 at 22:52
probably the worst prime minister of australia was William McMahon i mean he was so bad that he only lasted a year (1971-72) which is pretty poor

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  Quote Guests Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 24-Nov-2004 at 11:02

Originally posted by Christscrusader

Worst ruler in greek history are the OTTOman rulers..

The OTTOMAN rulers behaved even better than your princes during the bzynthine rule to greeks. Your greedy princes were burning your greek villages which didn't accept to give tributes to them. But the Ottomans let you believe what you want to, speak in your language and be free...

I THINK THAT WAS THE ONLY AND GREATEST MISTAKE OF MY ANCESTORS!

Also I think the worst rulers of my country in chronological order are:

1.II. Selim

2.II.Mustafa

3.II.Mahmut

4.V.Murat

5.Abdlmecit

6.smet nn

7.Turgut zal

8.Tansu iller

9.Blent Ecevit

10.Erdoan

 

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Originally posted by Oguzoglu

Originally posted by Christscrusader

Worst ruler in greek history are the OTTOman rulers..

 But the Ottomans let you believe what you want to, speak in your language and be free...

Ok, lets put down that Turkish history book and read internation books. Who made up the turkish jannisaries? Young Christian boys who were brought to study, converted, and fought against there own people. Lets not forget about the Armenian/Greek Genocide either, not very fun..

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