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    Posted: 22-Oct-2004 at 19:09
Meat cake?
Nope, been watching too many episodes of Friends

You know, the christian believes about self affliction, penitency and all that of stuffs....


Well the early Monastic tradition in Briton, round about 500 AD to 800/900 AD, especialy in Wales did have strict dietry regimes, no meat, basic vegetable stews (hence the leek as one of St. David's symbols), or better yet, to live off just water and bread and herbs, and no booze either.
Though by the time the medival age kicked in, after the Normans invaded, the monks became more lax in their ways, but then they were amoung the richest people in the land, and well, its a shame to waste all that wealth
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Originally posted by Temujin

and what has christianity to do with English food?

  You know, the christian believes about self affliction, penitency and all that of stuffs....

  Just kidding you Cwyr.

  I have never eat english food. It is true that you guys have the meat cake ?

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 whether Europe was christian or not it would have changed little. The Franks would have been in Gaul. THe Franks wanted to model themselves like the Romans.  Although  Christianity helped into the integration of Franks and Gauls into one people and one kingdom. Well i think Christianity was important for european unity.
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Originally posted by MixcoatlToltecahtecuhtli


Ethiopia also became Christian before the Roman Empire did.

It must be after the year 301 though. Do you know exactly which year?
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As did Egypt.

I reckon there would be alot more Arians running around Europe, probably European christianity would be alot more hetrodox, with pre-christain stuff mixed in, kind of like Alevis in Turkey today.
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Originally posted by ArmenianSurvival

If Christianity never took root in the Roman Empire.....

Then Armenia would still be the world's first Christian nation, as they became so at least a decade before the Roman Empire, except right now it would probably be the only Christian nation.


Ethiopia also became Christian before the Roman Empire did.
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If Christianity never took root in the Roman Empire.....

Then Armenia would still be the world's first Christian nation, as they became so at least a decade before the Roman Empire, except right now it would probably be the only Christian nation.
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Well in reality you cant preserve what never existed. Ofcourse i was simply refering to things such as 10 Commandments in courts, prayer in school,ect. Not even saying i agree with them, just can see the difference.
lol lets not turn this political, i need to come up with an answer to the topic at hand.
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it is funny how many in the US think they(right) want or would impose a christian theocracy. A distiction of impose and preserve needs to be made.

so by saying Preserve the theocracy you are admitting it already exists?
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Originally posted by JanusRook

Actually Temujin I thought of that from the Triumph of the Will when I wrote it.

Do you disagree in its great uniting message though?

I just like the idea of thinkin' bout going to Europe and seeing still-running temples to Odin and Zeus and Brits with long hair running around with sickles.

The only way you could have a complete absence of Christianity would be if Jesus did not exist.

The Christians could have just stayed in the Middle East, or they could be a minority
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it is funny how many in the US think they(right) want or would impose a christian theocracy. A distiction of impose and preserve needs to be made.
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Originally posted by JanusRook

Actually Temujin I thought of that from the Triumph of the Will when I wrote it.

Do you disagree in its great uniting message though?

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Actually Temujin I thought of that from the Triumph of the Will when I wrote it.

Do you disagree in its great uniting message though?

I just like the idea of thinkin' bout going to Europe and seeing still-running temples to Odin and Zeus and Brits with long hair running around with sickles.

The only way you could have a complete absence of Christianity would be if Jesus did not exist.
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Oye, must we drag in politics?

I just like the idea of thinkin' bout going to Europe and seeing still-running temples to Odin and Zeus and Brits with long hair running around with sickles.
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and what about this one:
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Originally posted by JanusRook

Although I do believe the message of one god, one king, one people is very good for uniting an empire.
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true its likely, but without the original exact faith it might have turned out very differnt looking than it does today...
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Hmmm, so Christianity invades reguardless, in your scenario?

I think it would be an interesting world if modern Europe still had its native beliefs.

Only in the undeveloped west would the barbaric arian christianity flourish. In the enlightened east a myriad of different faiths would be found in a strong civilized Byzantine empire.

Although I do believe the message of one god, one king, one people is very good for uniting an empire. The vikings probably would've remained pagan since it suited their form of government (although they probably wouldn't have been as united and strong).

The celtic church would have been strong in ireland, scotland and wales with england and northern scotland adopting a hybridized nordic-christian pantheon.

I don't know if it's just my bias, but I think historically christianity was a very good powerbase for the new empires, since the new kings could cut themselves from the old pagan nobility and make themselves more important.
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My point exactly.
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and what has christianity to do with English food?
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