Origin of etymology of countries

"Dawla al-Turkiyya" Isn't this term means "State of Turks" ? Is "Turkey" a right word, as it is coined from a Græco-Latin word "Turcia" ? I have just a basic understanding of Arabic, So Please tell me what is a difference between "Dawla al-Turkiyya", "Dawlat al-Turkiyya" and "Dawlat-ul-Turkiyya" ?and there was another name for Turkey or Ottoman Empire "Sultanat-e-Rūm", I believe derived from "Sultanate of Rome" as Rome was another name for Byzantine Empire.

Originally posted by oxydracae "Dawla al-Turkiyya" Isn't this term means "State of Turks" ? Is "Turkey" a right word, as it is coined from a Græco-Latin word "Turcia" ? I have just a basic understanding of Arabic, So Please tell me what is a difference between "Dawla al-Turkiyya", "Dawlat al-Turkiyya" and "Dawlat-ul-Turkiyya" ?

The correct term would be "al-Dawla al-Turkiyya" which means "The Turkish State".

It seems that the Greek cognate of the word is older that the medieval Latin one:
"...The Greek cognate of this name, Tourkia (Greek: Τουρκία) was originally used by the Byzantines to describe medieval Hungary^{[dn 1][21][page needed][22]} (since pre-Magyar Hungary was occupied by proto-Turkic and Turkic tribes, such as the Huns, Avars, Bulgars, Kabars, Pechenegs and Cumans.) Similarly, the medieval Khazar Empire, a Turkic state on the northern shores of the Black and Caspian seas, was referred to as Tourkia (Land of the Turks) in Byzantine sources. However, the Byzantines later began using this name to define the Seljuk-controlled parts of Anatolia in the centuries that followed the Battle of Manzikert in 1071...."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey

It may have passed in Latin from the Byzantine/Medieval Greek. "Turkiyya" sounds Turkish to me, while "Turchia" soungs Greek, has a Greek ending for 1st conjugation feminine nouns, and all Greek names for countries as feminine. So I'd suppose that the Greek "Turchia" was a Greek-fyied form some Hunnish-Avarish word, /since the Huns and the Avars were in the area before the Turks came/, but  this is my conjecture only, not something official. Not only the "land of the Turks" was called "Turchia" by the Byzantines, but the lad inhabited by Huns, Avars, etc, who cannot be called "Turks" per se; Central Asian yes, but not Turks.

Or, since word "Turk" is used in 8th century /for the GoTurks/, and if this is the earliest form the word we know, then the word Greek/Latin word "Turchia" may have come from it, with meaning "land of the Turks".



Edited by Don Quixote - 29-Feb-2012 at 13:36

You mean the bird "turkey"? But it's rather big, not small. There are many wild turkeys where I live, roam up and down in groups. One time my dogs scared a flock of them and they all flew upon a tree, like 10 turkey on one tree - then they sat there and talked to each other while my dogs barked at them.

"...1540s, "guinea fowl" (Numida meleagris), imported from Madagascar via Turkey, by Near East traders known as turkey merchants. The larger North American bird (Meleagris gallopavo) was domesticated by the Aztecs, introduced to Spain by conquistadors (1523) and thence to wider Europe, by way of North Africa (then under Ottoman rule) and Turkey (Indian corn was originally turkey corn or turkey wheat in English for the same reason).

The word turkey was first applied to it in English 1550s because it was identified with or treated as a species of the guinea fowl. The Turkish name for it is hindi, lit. "Indian," probably via M.Fr. dinde (c.1600, contracted from poulet d'inde, lit. "chicken from India," Mod.Fr. dindon), based on the common misconception that the New World was eastern Asia...." http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=turkey

So, the Europeans called the turkey "turkey" because it was sold through Turkish merchants, but the Turks called it "hindi", because they thought it came from India. Lots of geography in this bird's name. It's common lingustic manner to call a plant or an animal by the country where supposedly it came - like in Bulgarian the word for "orange" is "portocal", because they thought that it imported from Portugal.

I can't think about an English word for in 'inner part of the mouth' - gums are there, but gums means only gums, not the whole thing. In Bulgarian "mouth" is "usta" and "ustie" is the beginning of a river, literally "the mouth of a river".

In Arabic turkey is called "Deek Rumi" which means "Roman cock". "Roman" here is referring to the Byzantine empire.

I don't think it literally means the Byzantine empire, just the same area (that is called Turkey today)

"Misir" is Arabic for Egypt

The turkey's name usually reflect its supposed origins. In various languages it has been called "Indian bird", "Egyptian bird", "French bird", "Greek bird" etc. It's likely to cause much confusion about its origins.

MiSiR=Peaceful readiness sprouts!It is corn,i suppose!Nile's flooding is good for corn.Bird has received it's name according it's favorite food.But if it was in Egypt before Columbus,Egyptians had known about America and trade with it.

Originally posted by oxydracae lol turkey bird's identity crisis..   via M.Fr. dinde (c.1600, contracted from poulet d'inde, lit. "chicken from India," Mod.Fr. dindon), ^^ I think this term India refers to "New World" and has nothing to do with modern India in South Asia.

Indeed, in those times they thought America was a part of Asia...So it was technically named after the India in south Asia, erroneously.