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Komnenos 
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Retired AE Administrator Joined: 20-Dec-2004 Location: Neutral Zone Online Status: Offline Posts: 4361 |
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 Topic: Left PoliticsPosted: 10-Jan-2006 at 06:16 |
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As we have found out that most of AEs members are hardline lefties, it would be interesting to know, which particular variety they belong to, so that we could start factional fights.
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sedamoun
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Joined: 18-Oct-2005 Location: Sweden Online Status: Offline Posts: 480 |
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Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 06:29 |
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Anti-Globalist, but i am not a hardcore leftie, more of a moderate leftie (like SPD in Germany) ... I can agree with some ideas but not all. Prost. |
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Leonidas
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Joined: 01-Oct-2005 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 4613 |
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Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 06:49 |
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im not suprised, just read the posts. anyway its a good thing this
place is has lefties, they are very good for critique and debate.
Maybe start a thread social democary vs marxism I lean to the left on a ethical level though differ on the solution. Maybe soft left with free market logic.  |
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Maju
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Joined: 14-Jul-2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 6565 |
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Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 07:41 |
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I'm Libertarian Communist and that's the same as Anarchist, at least in
the Kropotkinist line. Marxists are always stealing our bright ideas.
(I voted Anarchist anyhow, which, btw doens't need to be Syndicalist, because Syndicalism is part of the praxis of the whole left). |
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Leonidas
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Joined: 01-Oct-2005 Location: Australia Online Status: Offline Posts: 4613 |
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Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 07:43 |
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ok, maju you have completly lost me
i dont think we have 'Syndicalist' in australia |
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Paul
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AE Immoderator Joined: 21-Aug-2004 Location: Hyperborea Online Status: Offline Posts: 952 |
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Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 08:19 |
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My closest political alliance has always been with the Situationists. Nobody on this forum will even have heard of them, I was planning a post. They were a French movement in the 60's, they live on only through the works of one member Guy Debord who turned out to be one of the great philosphers of the 20th century. Debord started out looking for a left wing alternative to Marxism. His book 'The society of the Spectacle' went much further and is nowadays reguarded as grandfather of post-modernism. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Situationist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Society_of_the_Spectacle http://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/debord/society.htm Edited by Paul |
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Light blue touch paper and stand well back
http://www.maquahuitl.co.uk http://www.toltecitztli.co.uk |
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Maju
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Joined: 14-Jul-2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 6565 |
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Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 08:31 |
Sure we have heard about them and even read some situationist
material. I would have to look for it in the old books and panflets
section of my totally disorganized library but there's situationist
material around for sure. Good material if I don't recall badly. Yet, I
never considered situationism a true ideology on its own but rather a
current inside the workers' autonomy, which, btw is another current
that hasnt been mentioned and which I find myself quite akin, posibly
even more than the old ghost of Kropotkin. Anyhow, post your article, please, it is surely very interesting. If
I don't recall badly one of the characteristics of situationism as
organization (the Situationist International) is that they are one of
the few polictical elements that have self-dissolved precisely because
they considered that their message had already permeated the mainstream
political thought of the radical left. |
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Maju
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Joined: 14-Jul-2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 6565 |
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Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 08:36 |
A syndicate is a labour union. Syndicalism is a strategy that considers that syndicates or unions are the main means of self-organization of the proletariat and the tool of revolution. It's an ideology of the Fordist/mass worker phase, of course, and its most famous manifestation was the Spanish CNT, which had 3 million affiliates in 1936 and managed for a while to work for an anarchist revolution and stop the fascist takeover in several cities. |
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Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 08:47 |
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I voted for New Left.
I'm rather radical leftist, but not anarchist or communist |
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Komnenos
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Retired AE Administrator Joined: 20-Dec-2004 Location: Neutral Zone Online Status: Offline Posts: 4361 |
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Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 08:55 |
I had heard of them too, first as the name of the Frankfurt Anarchist/Sponti magazine "pflasterstrand" , published by none other than Daniel Cohn-Bendit and the former German Foreign Minister Joschka Fischer, was inspired by some Situationist slogan ("under the pavement is the beach",or such?). As far as I can tell, did the Situationists provided some of the intellectual stimulants for the Paris May 68, but if they ever had any influence beyond that, is doubtful. It was a small and highly elitist group of artists and intellectuals, far removed from political reality, and to call them a political movement, is certainly a gross exaggeration, and something they possibly would have rejected themselves. Edited by Komnenos |
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gcle2003
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Suspended Joined: 06-Dec-2004 Online Status: Offline Posts: 7035 |
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Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 10:12 |
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I'm still wondering about 'Luxemburgist'. Though I suppose on reflection it means someone who follows Rosa, not a disciple of Juncker or Santer
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Alkiviades
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Joined: 01-Sep-2005 Location: Antarctica Online Status: Offline Posts: 469 |
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Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 10:25 |
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Traditional Anarchosyndicalist - I am quite surprised more of us relics-19th century leftovers are around. |
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Mila
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Retired AE Moderator Joined: 17-Sep-2005 Online Status: Offline Posts: 4030 |
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Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 10:36 |
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Other - just a normal, Yugoslav quasisocialist.
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Svyturys
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Joined: 02-Jan-2006 Location: Lithuania Online Status: Offline Posts: 93 |
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Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 11:06 |
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Better die, than be red... Reds made very bad things to my county..and still make... You see photo from January 13th, 1991... isn't it terible.. young woman are under tank... she died..after question "Doctor, will i live?"
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Every moment, like last, neither earth, nor sky don't calculate time. Left only one heart in scorched bosom. Throbing only drums again, calling us into battle.
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Paul
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AE Immoderator Joined: 21-Aug-2004 Location: Hyperborea Online Status: Offline Posts: 952 |
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Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 13:11 |
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Pretty true but they had a quite large legacy in the UK. Influncing music, political groups, publications. In the eighties there was even conferences and a situationist magazine, The Spectacular Times. Check the Wikipedia link for the number of groups they still influnce, from music to adbusters.
Spectacular Times - now online. http://www.cat.org.au/spectacular/ https://www4.indymedia.org.uk/en/2005/07/317291.html Edited by Paul |
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Beylerbeyi
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Joined: 02-Aug-2004 Location: Cuba Online Status: Offline Posts: 1355 |
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Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 15:41 |
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I already have factions inside my head. My involvement with activism is closely related to the anti-globalist movement, so I'll vote for that. But the movement is a front of various ideologies/viewpoints. Although I usually call myself a Socialist, or a Communist I'm not a traditional Marxist, so I won't vote for the Marxist options here. |
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Spartakus
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terörist Joined: 22-Nov-2004 Location: Greece/Hellas Online Status: Offline Posts: 4489 |
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Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 15:46 |
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I am a moderate left,with ecological/historical/Hellenic conscience. |
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"There are worse crimes than burning books. One of them is not reading them. "
--- Joseph Alexandrovitch Brodsky, 1991, Russian-American poet, b. St. Petersburg and exiled 1972 (1940-1996) |
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BMC21113
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Joined: 17-Dec-2005 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 357 |
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Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 16:25 |
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I am somewhat ignorant in this topic, but I am curious what ideas that Anarchist/Syndicalist hold and what their parties represent. Thanks-
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Tobodai
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Retired AE Moderator Joined: 03-Aug-2004 Location: Antarctica Online Status: Offline Posts: 4310 |
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Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 17:26 |
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Better dead than red!!!!!!!!!!!!!! But hell I would take a left wing government over the current one I live under so Im clearly not as much the evil captain capitalist as many of you think I am. It all depends on circumstances and balance of power does it not? |
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"the people are nothing but a great beast...
I have learned to hold popular opinion of no value." -Alexander Hamilton |
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Genghis
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Joined: 02-Aug-2004 Location: United States Online Status: Offline Posts: 2656 |
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Posted: 10-Jan-2006 at 17:42 |
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Better Dead than Red |
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Although I am a Socialist in most things, in some issues I sympathise with Anarchists, and in some others with (Shallow) Ecologists and Feminists. |
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