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BMC21113
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Topic: Politics Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 14:39 |
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"The art of war is, in the last result, the art of keeping one's freedom of action."-Xenophon
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Beylerbeyi
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I think 'moderate' is an adjective, not a noun. 'Complete moderate' is therefore meaningless. Also 'extreme' is a biased adjective. 'Hard' is an ambigious adjective not common in political terminology. And last but not least, it is all relative as people already wrote.
I'd suggest: Radical Right - Right - Centre Right - Centre Left - Left - Radical Left
No 'other' category and no 'centre', but the latter can be added.
Having said that, I am at extreme left, judging from other people in here.
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Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 14:41 |
Well so far, there is an obvious slant...... I am shocked!
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"The art of war is, in the last result, the art of keeping one's freedom of action."-Xenophon
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Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 14:42 |
Originally posted by Beylerbeyi
I think 'moderate' is an adjective, not a noun. 'Complete moderate' is therefore meaningless. Also 'extreme' is a biased adjective. 'Hard' is an ambigious adjective not common in political terminology. And last but not least, it is all relative as people already wrote.
I'd suggest: Radical Right - Right - Centre Right - Centre Left - Left - Radical Left
No 'other' category and no 'centre', but the latter can be added.
Having said that, I am at extreme left, judging from other people in here.
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-Well, as long as everyone understands what they are voting on.....that is enough for me.
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"To be prepared for war is one of the most effective means of preserving peace"-George Washington
"The art of war is, in the last result, the art of keeping one's freedom of action."-Xenophon
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Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 14:47 |
Originally posted by Svyturys
You know, at theese days is a crime to be patriotic, or even right winged... |
Tell me about it.
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Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 15:47 |
I'm to lazy and bored senseless by politics in general to take the time to figure out where I belong.
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Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 17:25 |
Hard left
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Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 19:56 |
I voted moderate. Moderates and independants are the only one's I
trust, as they are the only ones smart enought to see that politics is
nothing but a civil war between two very different sides that fight using the same dirty tactics.
Rightists and
leftists just get stuck up in their own idealologies and spend most of
their time trying to find a way to demonize the other side. If given
power, Rightists and leftists would both end up committing the same
crimes, but would do so with different "motives"
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Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 20:29 |
This site can help:
http://www.politicalcompass.org/
About the thread: Moderate Left
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Posted: 08-Jan-2006 at 22:01 |
I think I am something between Hard Left (Kemalist) and Extreme Left (Communist).
I did not vote.
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Posted: 09-Jan-2006 at 17:14 |
Originally posted by Kemalist_Mehmet
I am Socialist_Kemalist so Hard left |
The six arrows of Kemalism:
Kemalist Ideology, also known as Kemalism and Six Arrows, is based on Atatrk's six principles (in Turkish Altı Ok) while founding the modern Turkish Republic. Also the symbol of the Republican People's Party (CHP
= Cumhuriyet Halk Partisi), which was also established by Mustafa Kemal
Atatrk just before (9th September 1923) the declaration of the Turkish
Republic in 29th October 1923
Is this Left? a mix between Extreme Left and Extreme Right? Even Hitler
said "I am economically right winged, socialy left-winged and my heart
is german". This HAS to please the masses... --> Poplulism.
Cheers kardas.
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Lmprs
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Posted: 09-Jan-2006 at 17:24 |
None of the principles you mentioned has any ties to the right-wing.
Kemalism belongs to the left-wing; socially, economically and politically...
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kotumeyil
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Posted: 09-Jan-2006 at 19:05 |
I'm at Extreme-left.
By the way, Kemalism is a pragmatic program and I think it is not true to place it right or left. In Turkey we have some people who claim that they are both extreme leftists/rightists and Kemalists. AFAIK a somewhat similar situation is about Peronism in Argentina: there were rightist Peronists and leftist Peronists (though I don't know too much)...
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Posted: 09-Jan-2006 at 19:12 |
"Left" and "right" arose as a designation for those who sat on either wing of the French parliament under the rule of the Kings in the 18th century. It respectively defines you as someone who either wants reform or preservation of the status quo.
I am aware of its current meaning, and also aware of how such meanings differ from one nation and individual understanding to the next. The idea of fitting myself into such a category is neither valid nor appealing. I think each area of policy and national welfare must be made individually based on consideration of all the relevant circumstances. To automatically try to "slant" policy a certain way because you are "left or right" seems to me nothing short of sabotage.
For the understanding of those asking the original question, I am a mixture of left and right depending on individual policy and its circumstances. On a general issue such as immigration I may go more to the right, while on issues such as health and education benefits for disadvantaged members of society I am more to the left. But that is generally speaking, better to give oneself some room to manuever.
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Posted: 09-Jan-2006 at 19:33 |
I put hard right but I cannot say extreme because there are a few issues I can agree with the moderates and liberals.
But, even though I am conservative I am not a Bush supporter, I am Independent.
I wonder though if left or right could have different meanings in different parts of the world.
As a conservative I would give Bush a D+ to a C- when you consider certains issues he is not dealing with but those issues are not the purpose of this thread.
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Posted: 09-Jan-2006 at 20:34 |
Originally posted by eaglecap
As a conservative I would give Bush a D+ to a C- when you consider certains issues he is not dealing with but those issues are not the purpose of this thread. |
Looks like his presidential performance is consistent with his university scores
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Posted: 09-Jan-2006 at 20:47 |
Originally posted by eaglecap
I wonder though if left or right could have different meanings in different parts of the world.
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Of course. One of the interesting things about the American political system is that it is essentially a two-party system, and in their fight for votes, sometimes Republican politicians would say things that Democrat politicians say and vice versa.
Maybe as a result of that, I am yet to see any signficant American politicians whose views are as "extreme right" as those of France's Jean-Marie Le Pen or Austria's Jrg Haider.
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Posted: 09-Jan-2006 at 20:52 |
Oh, I forgot to mention Australia's Pauline Hanson ...
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Posted: 09-Jan-2006 at 21:32 |
If we look at Atatrk's principles one by one, we will see that Kemalism is a left-wing ideology.
Claims, at this point, are really irrelevant. I mean, even football clubs are trying to use Atatrk!
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Posted: 09-Jan-2006 at 21:59 |
Originally posted by flyingzone
Oh, I forgot to mention Australia's Pauline Hanson ...
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That is a little old now. Once she actually gained a seat in parliament the other parties practically conspired against her to bring her party down. As the major parties put Hanson's party last on their list of preferences in voting, the One Nation Party quickly ran out of steam. A variety of other bureaucratic and legal measures allowed the government to destroy her as a political force and soon even put her in gaol for electoral fraud.
In the end it had a happy ending. She was released from prison following an appeal and went on to compete in a popular TV ballroom dancing show, where her rather suave performance led to public rehabilitation. All politics were laid aside, she is happy, the public is happy, the politicians are happy. I think things could not possibly have had a better ending. However, as much as we may hate it even rednecks need a voice (let's try to make sure it is a polite and intelligent one representing areas of legitimate national concern).
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