Lithuaniana& Poland

Are you kidding? Poles and Lithuanians don't have much relation to each other: Poles are Slavic-speakers and Lithuanians are Baltic-speakers (together with Latvians and aboriginal Prussians). True that Blatic and Slavic tongues in general seem to be related way back into their origins, but that's not enough to make "Poles Lithuanians or the other way around".

You may refer to the fact that Poland and Lithuania were united under the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth, normally considered a personal union of two states: the Kingdom of Poland and the Great Principality of Lithuania. Again this doesn't make both nationalities assimilable. It's much like asking if  "Hungarians are Austrians or the other way around?".

1.Yes, you are right many of lithuanian nobles, were polonised, but not all.  Many nobles kept them sournames. Nobles everywhere defended Lithuania, her rights.

2. Polonised because polish culture had higher level. Lithuanians kept them language latin. And said - they are descendants of romans. Polish were - alien.

 

Strange that some polish want to say, that Lithuania was them country, Vilnius them city, and etc.

[quote]As for the descendats of Lithuanian nobles and princes today, they all consider themselves rather polish than Lithuanian and most of them dont even know lithuanian language.[quote/]

I'm also descendant of some nobles of Lithuania&Poland (maybe not very importants - Koreywo, Hanusowski?(we call Ganusauskai), but i have very strong patriotic feeling to Lithuania. Have some friends, who also the same.

[quote]A noble from Greater Poland, Lesser Poland, Ukraine, Lithuania or Courland, all were same and had same rights. They were one nation.[quote/]

But why i think, you want to say that they thought, they are more polish? Dont you know, how lithuanian nobles wanted to have free country? But we needed help, because at that moment Lithuania wasn't so strong country. (but it's other discussion, if you want we can talk with the help of e-mail).

[quote]Before it, their Grand Duke could have imprison them or kill and they had no political rights.[quote/]

Actually in Lithuania duke could kill brother, or cousin...But nobles got more and more rights, because we didn't have many peoples, so GDL needed more warriors, so solution - nobles. Nobles started to play with it.

[quote] After joining to Poland they had their own regional parliaments, their own deputies in the parliament of Commonwealth (Seym) and were untouchable just like their polish borthers (because they were calling one each other per "brother").[quote/]

Maybe, but the fact - that lithuanians believed in myth, that they are descendants of romans, and were very proud of it...i could post some sources how it started..

Albert Stanislav Radziwill:

Janusz Radziwill, more warmed his young blood with wine, over and over more gushing of spite, declared the war for polish: "Lithuanian nation can't stand more harms, wich were done for her. Will come time, then polish not throught door, but through windows will be strewed"

(1636 years)

Jan Chodkiewicz (did i write good in your language?) speaking in Lublin 1569

We can't say, how it's hard for us/ We, like good sons of fatherland, must to care about her welfare, so and gracious king, and all monsieur can certify, that how can we defend our fatherland, wich we till now kept healthly with our bloods and lifes. If we now dont afford till the end defend her, so thats why, that we needed succumb for snags, fate and for circumstamse of time. [...] We don't have where to appel for help, just to God and our master, our defender of rights. we standing before graciuos king by our wishes came to here and request to finish, that neither for us, nor our descendants it woudn't became to slavery or spot [...]

Latin language - really lithuanian language We scooping mocovian science, who don't have nothing ancient and can't rouse nothing virtuous, because ruthenian language is alien for us, lithuanians, italians, who rised from italian blood. That it's true, obviously from our half latin language and old romanian mores, wich not aged stoped to live. after all and ignis (ugnis) and unda (vanduo), aer (oras), sol (saul�) [..] and many other words in lithuanian language means same like in latin. Actually to thoose places came our ancestors, Roman citizens and warriors[...]

Mykolas Lietuvis. About tartas, lithuanians and moscovians mores. middle of VXI age.

Poland many years wanted to make Lithuania country, who do what Poland want. But we stand... stand even against many enemies. And remember one song after battle of �algiris (if you say it bad name remember that �algiris meens green (�alia) forest (giria,mi�kas).

I readed that Dlugosz also wrote that "withal thoose sordids lithuanians from respectable romans borned.."

Very sorry for my bad english.. could you give me your email?