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Topic: Middle-East and the Western world. Posted: 13-Dec-2005 at 14:04 |
Can anyone please tell me who approached who first? I've been told the
Western world interfered in the Middle-east affairs first with the
British empire setting up colonies there while others said it started
with the Crusades when Islamic empires tried to conquer Europe.
Thanks in advance.
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Imperator Invictus
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Posted: 13-Dec-2005 at 15:23 |
I think the question is moot and can be answered depending entirely on personal opinion on what should be emphasized. If emphasis is on the post-classical era, Muslim expansion into Spain and Italy before the time of the Crusades should be considered.
For a more objective answer, the question needs to be more specifically. What time frame? What are the civilizations under consideration? What is meant by appraoched? Military? political? economic? or cultural?
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hardy
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Posted: 13-Dec-2005 at 15:32 |
Militarily and Political, thanks for replying.
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Maju
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Posted: 13-Dec-2005 at 15:48 |
In what age. It's evident that all Eropeans come eventually from the
Near East (maybe via Central Asia in some cases). Europe was colonized
from there c. 35,000 years ago and then also Neolithic (agriculture,
pottery), Bronze and Iron techs spread out from the Near East. If we
ignore the particular case of Greece and some isolated invasions in
Asia Minor, both somehow a bridge between the two regions, and maybe
some late Paleolithic influences that went W->E, there was no
Western significant interfernce in Western Asia from Europe until the
Roman Empire. Instead the opposite influx is more continuous,
particularly via the Phoenicians.
If we get into Roman and post-Roman times, we have a clear Asian
influence in Christianism that spread socio-politically inside the
Roman Empire. Then we have the Muslim expansion, a more military
influence that nevertheless only touched the fringes of Europe.
Then the current reverts and it is Europe which starts attacking SW
Asia via the Crusades. The current is temporarily inverted again with
Turkish expansion until the late Modern Age.
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Posted: 13-Dec-2005 at 15:54 |
In short, euros and mideasties have been shafting each other for millennia.
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Posted: 13-Dec-2005 at 22:21 |
The expansion of colonialism in modern times after the WWI started with the League of Nations which granted protectorates to the British in the Middle East who in turn changed the borders of a number of countries including Iraq,Koweit,Palestine etc. for their Oil and political interests.
The current upheaval in the Mid-East is a direct result of this interference.
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Posted: 13-Dec-2005 at 22:24 |
Well the Middle East first impacted Europe first.
The first settlers of Europe reached the continent from the Middle
East. It may not be the so-called "cradle of Western Civilization" but
that's fine, because it was the cradle of Civilization, period.
Since then they've been at it back and forth.
The crusades, by the way, weren't about Muslims trying to conquer
Europe. They were led by Christians, trying to (re)claim the Holy Land.
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Posted: 15-Dec-2005 at 12:21 |
What about illustrious Alexander? and Xerx? and so on and on....Maju is right: everything depends on the period.
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Posted: 15-Dec-2005 at 15:29 |
In short, euros and mideasties have been shafting each other for millennia.
Now, It is our turn?
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Posted: 15-Dec-2005 at 16:58 |
Originally posted by Mortaza
In short, euros and mideasties have been shafting each other for millennia.
Now, It is our turn?
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If there's a milennary cycle, you still have to wait for about 500 years...
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