Serbian Medieval History

Well of course Bosnians , Serbians and Croatians have ilyrian, greek etc... blood, but we still are dominantley slavic, one proof for that is that when looking at Albanians is that they are on average a head shorter then Bosnians, Serbians and Croatians.

We're all slavs only about 10 - 20 % - if we presume that slavic marker is HG3...Most of our genes are native to balcan-illyrian,thracian and pre indo-european...

As for the stature of albanians - they're not all uniformely tall or short...

Originally posted by HistoryGuy Hej Sarmata, where do you think the people you know with  dark skin and dark eyes in Poland originally come from (I mean in terms of their ancestors)? Like Roma or something?

you have no idea how right you might actually be
in the 16th c. our king zygmunt stary took for a wife an italian woman, she brought many italians with her to poland, and it is a common theory that alot of the darkness in Polish hair etc. is linked to some of the small italian blood that is in Poland right now. then again, im pretty sure every person in poland has germanic, hungarian, baltic, and other slavic blood in their genes.
also id say that looking at a nations hair coliur and skin tone isnt the best way to tell how related they are to other supposedly related grups. alot of that has to do with the location of where that people is settled.
i have a friend from montenegro and he is very dark skinned and has black hair (obviously due to the mediterranean region he comes from). but he says that if you move a bit inland to belgrade the people there gain lighter hair and skin colour. and i doubt anyone would argue that serbians and montenegrans have completely different genetic background.
also the white croats never held krakow, that area was controlled by the Wiślanie, a lechitic (polish) tribe. the croats have been marked down on most maps between the czechs and silesians. there was also another croat popultion eastwards centered near and around galich. unless im mistaken i think they may have been called black croats.

thats funny, cuz hes almost a head taller than me

Hello everyone,

I�ve only done a little research on Serbian ethnicity, but I did tour through the Serm and Backa districts for about three months. I found a very wide mix of people. The impression I left with was that Serbia was a cross roads for many nationalities and had a very diversified mix of people they could call their ancestors.

I met a few people who appeared to be of Mongol decent near Budisava. Yet in other areas I meet people who where about a foot or two taller than me. Which on average I think most Serbian people were taller and more athletic than in many other countries I visited. As an example I was shopping in Novi Sad and had a very difficult time finding pants that fit both my waste and leg length. I�m 5�8�� (173cm) about 3 or 4 inches shorter than the average male. Yet anything I tried on was at least a foot longer in the legs. The women also where very tall. I felt like a midget the entire time I was there.

But anyways, has anyone read Evlija Celebi, book of travels through Serbia in the 16^th century? He was a Turkish traveler who documented the history of many of the cities he came across . I was hoping to discuss it with someone.

Or it could be normal migrants. F.e. we have a whole neighbourhood of Asians (mainly Vietnamese and Chinese) and Arabs around the open market in Sofia.

I'm sorry, I just realized. Things are different here.

Thats from Celebi book!

He does desribe lot of towns, and ones who were populated by Bosniaks then like Kanjiza or Kanigsza,and some in Serbia

Nis is described as Bulgarian town by the way, most of population speaks Bulgaria

There is lot of Vlachs in his book

Bosnian language he finds most admirable, even has praises about it

Evlija Celebi Seyathana-Traveling travels from 1660-1665 period

Originally posted by Monte   If a person is born in Serbia, is he or she considered Serbian? Or is it strickly a blood and ancester thing? And how far back does it have to go?

I'd be careful with that book Decebal. great study indeed but one made over 15 years ago. it doesnt include all of the most recent available studies.