Serbian Medieval History

Wtf? Dark blonde and blue eyes? What the hell?

Originally posted by Jay. Wtf? Dark blonde and blue eyes? What the hell?

That's actually a pretty good description of me.


BTW, Sarmata, thanks for your response.  I'm one of those with roots in White Croatia.

It's funny that nobody has mentioned the connection between the Serbs and the modern Sorbs of eastern Germany.  They're obviously two branches of the same people.

Originally posted by Maju Originally posted by Scytho-Sarmatian It's funny that nobody has mentioned the connection between the Serbs and the modern Sorbs of eastern Germany. They're obviously two branches of the same people. That's curious. What's the connection apart of the name?

They are the same people ethnically. Serbs and Croats migrated somewhere form the east, maybe the caucasus as some people believe they were a branch of the Sarmatian tribes (there is evidence of this as there are carvings of tribes names very similar to HRVAT which means Croat). The serbo-croats migrated eventually to southern Poland, Croats made a kingdom centered around Krakow, Serb settled between the areas of easter Gemany and western Poland. Then a Byzantine emperor called for their assistance against the Avars and in return would give them land, this was the same ting the western roman emperors did to Vandals and Goths; promised them land in return for servitude, we all know how that ended up. It's curious because later the Avars and Slavs would ally and sometimes the Avar empire is called a Avar Slav empire, as some slavs assimilated with Avars. Not all the Croats and Serbs form southenr Poland migrated south, we see Sorbs today still exist in eastern germany. During the reign of Boleslaw Chrobry, First King of Poland, he connected that lands of the western Slavs to the kingdom of Poland which included upper and lower Lusatia, where the Lusatian Serbs or Sorbs live. The Sorbs acctually consider Boleslaw a national hero. The Croats or Chrobatians(white croats) were still around during Boleslaws rule, which shows not all of them migrated south. All this shows that Slavs have relations between themselves which is greater then just linguistics. I also ask any of you, if your curious as I was, tolook at Boleslaw I Chrobry's name; Chrobry the nickname that Ive always been taught to mean, Valiant or brave, when I looked the word up, it was noe wher ein a dictionary. Maybe its just old Polishlanguage? maybe. OR it could mean Boleslaw of Chrobatia (Chrobacja)? Mieszko did give Boleslaw originally to be prince of the soouthern lands befor ehe ruled the entire kingdom. Not only that remember Tomislav? Croatian king, who made croatia into a very powerful nation, by the end of his reign, he just disappeared...maybe, to Chrobatia? Perhaps there is a closer relation to the Croats and Poles then we think. Just a thought.

Many Germans have slavic 'genes'-until the 12th century there was some slavic peoples in (modern) Germany-in the 12th century they were germanized-the todays Macklenburg-Pomeranie in germany is an example-POMERANI-slavic-by the sea(more=sea)-first duke of Macklenburg was a ruler of Obodrite tribe(bodryci=the brave ones).

Now Maju,there's not too many nations calling or being refered to as Serbs-it's a self-given name,not a latin term(your example of Albanians).

A "dangerous exercise," eh?

Be afraid, be very afraid!

I wasn't refering to actual genes-simply stated that a significant number of Germans have got distant(or not that distant) slavic ancestry-which is ironic considering views of the nazi's-that slavs r inferior to germanics... 

About the Sorbs-u went around my question-Albanians were just an example(latin alba appearing at different locations-don't try to represent me as one of those nationalists that propagate the Caucasus theory)

Originally posted by Sarmata Ther Germanic and Slavic tribes have a long history of bad blood, and I doubt they have ancestry between one another, unless ou mean for example eastern germans might because of Slavic settlements long ago, and the present Sorbian population. Slavs caleld germans "Niemcy" which means mute or dumb, meaning its a safe assumption to say they didnt understand one another.

I didn,t say it happened through "mutual love and understanding"...however it is a fact that many of baltic slavs were germanized-and it wasn't in ancient times-more like in the medieval ones.Obodrites(or bodrichy in slavic-the brave ones) r  a perfect example:

The Obodrites' independent principality, which was developed by the early 9th century, was conquered in the middle of  12th century by Henry the Lion, duke of Saxony, after a long resistance lead by its last pagan prince, Niklot (d. 1160). Niklot's son Przybyslaw (Pribislav; d. 1178) accepted Christianity, acknowledged German suzerainty, and he was recognized in 1170 as a prince of the Holy Roman Empire. Both his descendants became the dukes of Mecklenburg and the Obodrite people eventually became Germanized...

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Hej Sarmata, where do you think the people you know with  dark skin and dark eyes in Poland originally come from (I mean in terms of their ancestors)? Like Roma or something?

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Originally posted by Maju Originally posted by Socrates Originally posted by Sarmata Ther Germanic and Slavic tribes have a long history of bad blood, and I doubt they have ancestry between one another, unless ou mean for example eastern germans might because of Slavic settlements long ago, and the present Sorbian population. Slavs caleld germans "Niemcy" which means mute or dumb, meaning its a safe assumption to say they didnt understand one another. I didn,t say it happened through "mutual love and understanding"...however it is a fact that many of baltic slavs were germanized-and it wasn't in ancient times-more like in the medieval ones.Obodrites(or bodrichy in slavic-the brave ones) r  a perfect example: The Obodrites' independent principality, which was developed by the early 9th century, was conquered in the middle of  12th century by Henry the Lion, duke of Saxony, after a long resistance lead by its last pagan prince, Niklot (d. 1160). Niklot's son Przybyslaw (Pribislav; d. 1178) accepted Christianity, acknowledged German suzerainty, and he was recognized in 1170 as a prince of the Holy Roman Empire. Both his descendants became the dukes of Mecklenburg and the Obodrite people eventually became Germanized... And not just in the Middle Ages. In Ancient times, several German tribes (Goths are the more famous) settled in Slavic territory. I'm sure they intermixed then too.

  So those Nazis had some slavic ancestry...-Hitler is turning in his grave.Poor Nazis with their 'pure blood' theories-makes me wanna cry

 This guy must be out of his mind:

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3608& ; ;KW=inferior+slavs

Or this Aryan(he actually calls himself Aryan):

http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=603& KW=ossetian&TPN=1

  I don't understand how they can write such things...and nobody seems to mind...

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Originally posted by Socrates  This guy must be out of his mind: http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=3608& ; ; ;KW=inferior+slavs Or this Aryan(he actually calls himself Aryan): http://www.allempires.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=603& KW=ossetian&TPN=1   I don't understand how they can write such things...and nobody seems to mind...

Iranians and some Indians have always called themselves Aryans. Iran (Aryanam) actually means the land of the Aryans. It doesn't have a racial sense but an ethnic sense. Let's not mix things, what is absurd is the Nazis imported the term from people they would surely consider "inferior" but in Asia is a common term. Is the same about the svastika: in Europe and America it's become a dreadful symbol of greed and destruction but in Asia is common among many cultures (not just Indo-Europeans, also is frequent among Buddhist East Asians) and it's basically a symbol of good fortune. But ulike the svastika, which was also relatively common in Europe and even America before Hitler's megalomaniatic crimes, the term Aryan is totally alien to Europe.