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    Posted: 19-Sep-2004 at 12:03
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    During the year 717 A.D., more than 80,000 Arab soldiers marched towards the Byzantine capital of Constantinople.  When they learned about this, the Byzantines sent an envoy to ask for help from the Bulgarian Han Tervel.  He agreed to the request, realizing that if Constantinople fell, it would lead to Bulgaria being open to attacks from this dangerous enemy.  Han Tervel sent the requested army, and thus, required the Arabs besieging Constantinople to fight on two fronts - against the defenders from the city and against the Bulgarian cavalry, which incessantly raided them.  Very soon, the leader of the Arab army, Maslama (? I translated this from Bulgarian, don't know if this is right), was convinced that the Bulgarians were a dangerous foe.  He ordered a deep trench to be dug, in order to protect his soldiers from surprise attacks.  They also dug the same trench facing the the city of Constantinople.  In this way, the besieging Arab army became themselves besieged.  The winter came.  A shortage of food made some of the Arabians to eat corpses of their fellow warriors, and others ate small stones to aleviate their hunger.  In spite of their situation, the Arabs did not surrender.  
    Michael Siriiski, a Byzantine Chronicler (? I translated this from Bulgarian, don't know if this is right) wrote:
    "...The Arabians were attacked by land and by the citizens of the city, and by the Bulgarians, also through the sea by the Byzantine ships... The Bulgarians attacked the Arabians and they hew them down; the latter feared the Bulgarians more than the Byzantines.  From the behind the Arabians were vexed with a greater misfortune than from the Byzantines in the city.  The winter came, but the Arabians feared to surrender; first from their ruler, second from the sea, and third from the Bulgarians.  Then the whirlwind of death grabbed them..."
    They made it to the spring, and tried to launch a surprise attack on the Bulgarians to cut through their defensive line.  But in this deciding conflict, Han Tervel's warriors crushed the Arab army, which lost more than 20,000 men.  The survivors barely made it to their ships and sailed away in defeat.
    Han Tervel became one of the most loved rulers in Europe at that time.  Decades after his death, poets wrote ballads to glorify Han Tervel.

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http://www.network54.com/Forum/message?forumid=22270&mes sageid=1038497811

http://www.kutriguri.com/index.html

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Edit:  Whoops, should probably be Saracens, not Arabs.


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  Quote JanusRook Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Sep-2004 at 13:38
Nice story, I do find it difficult to believe that the Eastern Empire could be in that problem that soon, but stranger things have happened in history.
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  Quote Kubrat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Sep-2004 at 14:07
Well, actually, Constantinople was also besieged by the Avars in 623 AD, with about 80,000 men too, and only 12,000 Byzantines defeding the city, and they won.
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  Quote Evildoer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19-Sep-2004 at 15:05
They were actually besieged 12 times.
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  Quote Ptolemy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22-Sep-2004 at 12:48
I believe in that war, the arabs attacked with a navy too (I might be thinking of a different war). Byzantines used Greek fire to decimate the Arab navy. The Remainder of the navy was forced to retreat (it might have been due to the fact that a lot of the Arab navy was Christian).
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  Quote Kubrat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30-Sep-2004 at 21:11
Yes, that should be in the story too.  Bulgarians weren't really advanced in the art of naval warfare.  Although I did read that in one of the capture Byzantine cities Bulgarians found 'crates' (don't remember the term there) of Greek Fire.  Don't think they actually used it though, or told anyone else about it.
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  Quote Evildoer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Oct-2004 at 01:20

Greek fire was a devilish weapon. The fire burned in contact with water (!! thus especially useful against ships) and could only be extinguished with sand!

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  Quote Berosus Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01-Oct-2004 at 05:25
It's funny how the Danube Bulgars were concerned about the possibility of an Arab invasion of their territory; maybe that's why they became Christians after 800 A.D.  By contrast, the Volga Bulgars, who were never threatened from the south (except maybe by the Khazars), accepted Islam wholeheartedly in 922.
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  Quote Kubrat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Oct-2004 at 10:07
Originally posted by Berosus

It's funny how the Danube Bulgars were concerned about the possibility of an Arab invasion of their territory; maybe that's why they became Christians after 800 A.D.  By contrast, the Volga Bulgars, who were never threatened from the south (except maybe by the Khazars), accepted Islam wholeheartedly in 922.


Well, the reason the Danube Bulgar(ian)s converted to Christianity was the fact that they were not plainly Bulgars, but also Slavs, Thracian remnants, etc.  Knias Boris I made the decision to convert the country to Christianity in hopes of unifying those different elements, even though up to that point I don't think there are any mentionings of dissent because of the different religions.  And it would make no sense for them to convert to Islam or Judaism, because then the whole wrath of Europe would be upon them... 

As for the Volga Bulgars, I have no clue as to why they converted...  does someone here know?

Edit:  I hope you don't get hungry and try to eat it, Evildoer

Edit2:  I vaguely recall reading that a missionary of Islam travelled to Volga Bulgaria and somehow convinced them to convert.  The other strange part is how Kieven Rus had the choice to convert to either, with Volga Bulgaria being Islamic to the east, and Danube Bulgaria and Byzantium being Christian to the South.


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  Quote JanusRook Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Oct-2004 at 18:26

other strange part is how Kieven Rus had the choice to convert to either,

I heard they went with Christianity because of Islam's ban on alcohol.

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  Quote Evildoer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03-Oct-2004 at 18:41
Me too. In the same book, it also said that the splendour of Constantinople took the Rus by surprise.
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  Quote Kubrat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04-Oct-2004 at 17:32
Oh yeah, that explains it.  Russians would never let religion deny them their alcohol .
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Aint that a fact!!!!!!

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  Quote ihsan Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05-Oct-2004 at 14:55

The Khan of Volga Bulgars was somehow interested on Islam so he asked the Abbsid caliph to send him an envoy to teach his people Islam and to help them built Islamic structures. So, similar to the convertion of the Kievan Rus, the Volga Bulgars converted with the order of their rulers.

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  Quote Kubrat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Oct-2004 at 18:40

Same thing in Danube Bulgaria, Knias Boris converted the entire country to Christianity.

Wasn't it the same with the Roman Empire?  The emperor made the decision and even though there were already people devoted to the Christian faith, most weren't?

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  Quote Temujin Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06-Oct-2004 at 19:57
yeah, it's always like that. Constantine the great was the emperor.
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  Quote Ptolemy Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07-Oct-2004 at 19:26
There is a thread in the HeavenGames history forum about the population of Christians in the empire.
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  Quote Kubrat Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08-Oct-2004 at 19:41
yeah, it's always like that. Constantine the great was the emperor.


Except for 12,000 Australians who have converted to the Force religion from Star Wars .  Are they still around?

But anyways, do you guys want me to post more little articles like that?  They aren't copy and pasted either, so this is from the Bulgarian perspective as Yiannis would say 
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