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Topic: Arabians at Constantinople Posted: 19-Sep-2004 at 12:03 |
The Saviours of Europe
During the year 717 A.D., more than 80,000 Arab
soldiers marched towards the Byzantine capital of Constantinople.
When they learned about this, the Byzantines sent an envoy to ask for
help from the Bulgarian Han Tervel. He agreed to the request,
realizing that if Constantinople fell, it would lead to Bulgaria being
open to attacks from this dangerous enemy. Han Tervel sent the
requested army, and thus, required the Arabs besieging Constantinople
to fight on two fronts - against the defenders from the city and
against the Bulgarian cavalry, which incessantly raided them.
Very soon, the leader of the Arab army, Maslama (? I translated this
from Bulgarian, don't know if this is right), was convinced that the
Bulgarians were a dangerous foe. He ordered a deep trench to be
dug, in order to protect his soldiers from surprise attacks. They
also dug the same trench facing the the city of Constantinople.
In this way, the besieging Arab army became themselves besieged.
The winter came. A shortage of food made some of the Arabians to
eat corpses of their fellow warriors, and others ate small stones to
aleviate their hunger. In spite of their situation, the Arabs did
not surrender.
Michael Siriiski, a Byzantine Chronicler (? I
translated this from Bulgarian, don't know if this is right) wrote:
"...The Arabians were attacked by land and by the
citizens of the city, and by the Bulgarians, also through the sea by
the Byzantine ships... The Bulgarians attacked the Arabians and they
hew them down; the latter feared the Bulgarians more than the
Byzantines. From the behind the Arabians were vexed with a
greater misfortune than from the Byzantines in the city. The
winter came, but the Arabians feared to surrender; first from their
ruler, second from the sea, and third from the Bulgarians. Then
the whirlwind of death grabbed them..."
They made it to the spring, and tried to launch a
surprise attack on the Bulgarians to cut through their defensive
line. But in this deciding conflict, Han Tervel's warriors
crushed the Arab army, which lost more than 20,000 men. The
survivors barely made it to their ships and sailed away in defeat.
Han Tervel became one of the most loved rulers in
Europe at that time. Decades after his death, poets wrote ballads
to glorify Han Tervel.
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Some sources:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/message?forumid=22270&mes sageid=1038497811
http://www.kutriguri.com/index.html
What do you guys think?
Edit: Whoops, should probably be Saracens, not Arabs.
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Posted: 19-Sep-2004 at 13:38 |
Nice story, I do find it difficult to believe that the Eastern Empire could be in that problem that soon, but stranger things have happened in history.
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Posted: 19-Sep-2004 at 14:07 |
Well, actually, Constantinople was also besieged by the Avars in 623
AD, with about 80,000 men too, and only 12,000 Byzantines defeding the
city, and they won.
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Posted: 19-Sep-2004 at 15:05 |
They were actually besieged 12 times.
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Posted: 22-Sep-2004 at 12:48 |
I believe in that war, the arabs attacked with a navy too (I might be thinking of a different war). Byzantines used Greek fire to decimate the Arab navy. The Remainder of the navy was forced to retreat (it might have been due to the fact that a lot of the Arab navy was Christian).
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Posted: 30-Sep-2004 at 21:11 |
Yes, that should be in the story too. Bulgarians weren't really
advanced in the art of naval warfare. Although I did read that in
one of the capture Byzantine cities Bulgarians found 'crates' (don't
remember the term there) of Greek Fire. Don't think they actually
used it though, or told anyone else about it.
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Posted: 01-Oct-2004 at 01:20 |
Greek fire was a devilish weapon. The fire burned in contact with water (!! thus especially useful against ships) and could only be extinguished with sand!
No offense but I keep seeing Kubrat's Coat of Arms as a plate with orange-red-coloured food on it... lol
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Posted: 01-Oct-2004 at 05:25 |
It's funny how the Danube Bulgars were concerned about the possibility
of an Arab invasion of their territory; maybe that's why they became
Christians after 800 A.D. By contrast, the Volga Bulgars, who
were never threatened from the south (except maybe by the Khazars),
accepted Islam wholeheartedly in 922.
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Posted: 01-Oct-2004 at 18:23 |
Edit: Post out of order...
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Posted: 03-Oct-2004 at 10:07 |
Originally posted by Berosus
It's funny how the Danube Bulgars were concerned about the possibility
of an Arab invasion of their territory; maybe that's why they became
Christians after 800 A.D. By contrast, the Volga Bulgars, who
were never threatened from the south (except maybe by the Khazars),
accepted Islam wholeheartedly in 922.
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Well, the reason the Danube Bulgar(ian)s converted to Christianity was
the fact that they were not plainly Bulgars, but also Slavs, Thracian
remnants, etc. Knias Boris I made the decision to convert the
country to Christianity in hopes of unifying those different elements,
even though up to that point I don't think there are any mentionings of
dissent because of the different religions. And it would make no
sense for them to convert to Islam or Judaism, because then the whole
wrath of Europe would be upon them...
As for the Volga Bulgars, I have no clue as to why they converted... does someone here know?
Edit: I hope you don't get hungry and try to eat it, Evildoer
Edit2: I vaguely recall reading that a missionary of Islam
travelled to Volga Bulgaria and somehow convinced them to
convert. The other strange part is how Kieven Rus had the choice
to convert to either, with Volga Bulgaria being Islamic to the east,
and Danube Bulgaria and Byzantium being Christian to the South.
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Posted: 03-Oct-2004 at 18:26 |
other strange part is how Kieven Rus had the choice to convert to either,
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I heard they went with Christianity because of Islam's ban on alcohol.
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Posted: 03-Oct-2004 at 18:41 |
Me too. In the same book, it also said that the splendour of Constantinople took the Rus by surprise.
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Posted: 04-Oct-2004 at 17:32 |
Oh yeah, that explains it. Russians would never let religion deny them their alcohol .
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Posted: 05-Oct-2004 at 04:53 |
Well, one thing I learned about the Russians that has been consistent
all through their history is that a Russian with nothing to do will get
drunk!
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Posted: 05-Oct-2004 at 11:34 |
Aint that a fact!!!!!!
Some cultures have sciences to show, Russia has vodka.
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Posted: 05-Oct-2004 at 14:55 |
The Khan of Volga Bulgars was somehow interested on Islam so he asked the Abbsid caliph to send him an envoy to teach his people Islam and to help them built Islamic structures. So, similar to the convertion of the Kievan Rus, the Volga Bulgars converted with the order of their rulers.
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Posted: 06-Oct-2004 at 18:40 |
Same thing in Danube Bulgaria, Knias Boris converted the entire country to Christianity.
Wasn't it the same with the Roman Empire? The emperor made the
decision and even though there were already people devoted to the
Christian faith, most weren't?
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Posted: 06-Oct-2004 at 19:57 |
yeah, it's always like that. Constantine the great was the emperor.
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Posted: 07-Oct-2004 at 19:26 |
There is a thread in the HeavenGames history forum about the population of Christians in the empire.
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Posted: 08-Oct-2004 at 19:41 |
yeah, it's always like that. Constantine the great was the emperor. |
Except for 12,000 Australians who have converted to the Force religion from Star Wars . Are they still around?
But anyways, do you guys want me to post more little articles like
that? They aren't copy and pasted either, so this is from the
Bulgarian perspective as Yiannis would say
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