Who conquered who? Turk or Arab

Turban is not an Arabic tradition. It was also used by Persians and Indians. What is your point? It is not even an Islamic tradition, non-Muslim Indians use turban too.

For the recurved composite bow, after the Turkic conquests, Arabs did not involve in military issues.

For the fez, wasn' t it a moorish invention? Moors are not Arabs, they are not even Semitic, am I correct?

Islam is not equal to Arab, it has many civilizations in it, Sumerian, Egyptian, and off course Persian, and even Greeks, and yet Turkic-Mongoloid nomadic culture (grammar rules for instance).

Using Arabic words does not make us Arabs, like we use many Greek words or French words. It is always like that, older civilization all the time influences the younger. Greeks influenced Romans, Romans influenced Germanics. Off course these were just influences.

Bleh i won't vote.

This just incites tension. I think both influenced each other equally. But thats my opinion.

Originally posted by DayI Originally posted by azimuth dont know how many words still there but i read somewhere that Ataturk banned 10,000 words from Turkish language. Still around 5000 words exists in Turkish, little more then 7000 thousand is persian and the most is french.

True, there are about 5000 arabic words still in use in turkish, however persian words are not 7000, more like 1500.

Anyway, it just tells you how crazy nationalism of the early 19th century was. This language madness was not just limited to Turkey, it was occuring in many eastern european countries and even Iran. For example in the persian langauge before the shah the vocuabulary was almost 80 percent arabic now it is 50 percent.

Actually the Ottoman 'Osmanli' language was the politacal language. However the Ottoman language was heavily influenced by Arabic along with Persian.

Seko:

It is hard to differentiate the impact one group has over another. This thread is the type that eventually ends up with a battle of egos.

That trully was not my intention upon opening this thread. The Arabic and Turkish cultures are so similar that it would be good to learn from were the similarities originated from. AE is the perfect place to find this out with the high numbers of both Turks and Arabs. So far this topic is in its 4th page and so much has been revealed to us.

Originally posted by Attila2 I didnt say we became arabs...I just tried to say Arabic influence is higher on Turks than the turkic one on the arabs

This is just a post to incite, they have much common history and most it pretty ok. I think even in the Great Mosque of Mecca(where hajj is performed) there are large sections remaining built by turks.

Originally posted by Tekir For the fez, wasn' t it a moorish invention? Moors are not Arabs, they are not even Semitic, am I correct?

I think what you mean is Berber. Since a Moor is someone of mixed Berber and Arab heritage. They make up the majority in old Berber lands (Algeria, Tunisia, Morroco)

Although your right about the fez not being a Turkish invention.

I have to say, my hometown has an interesting flag

Osmanli,

I am not sure that "a part" of modern morocco was under Ottoman ruling, under influence (the whole Moroccan Sultana at the time), that's for sure.

It is for that reason that we don't have (we eat it very rarely) Baklawa as they do in Algeria or Tunis. The same goes for Narguile.  

Cheers Kardas. 

Edited by sedamoun

Originally posted by OSMANLI .... Are you Morrocan Sedamoun? Cheers akhi.

Interesting note: 'akhi' (my brother) means exactly the same thing in Hebrew, and is used in the same context. Always found that interesting.

Btw, sedamoun, if u are from Morocco, whereabouts exactly?

I was there a year ago, doing a bit of travelling and a bit of research. Awsome country.




Edited by Halevi

My father is from Northern Morocco, not far from the Tangiers. It is a very nice country, I have a huge family over there.

I very much liked Turkey, very rich from a cultural point of view, and the people are very generous and welcoming. I did quite the touring.

Halevi, where were you in morocco?

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